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Posted on 10/05/2002 8:10:49 AM PDT by chance33_98


Teachers, computers square off 

Nonnewaug program spurs union complaint Friday, October 04, 2002

By Sarah Sparks © 2002 Republican-American

WOODBURY — Connecticut's largest teachers union hopes to convince the state Board of Education that computers are meant to "supplement, not supplant" teachers at Nonnewaug High School's Student Technology Education Program (STEP).

It may be a long fight to stop the school's computer-based alternative high school, though. The state Department of Education already judged that having computers teach, correct and grade students does not violate state law.

"This is technology education gone haywire. These at-risk students are not getting the education they deserve," said Rosemary Coyle, president of the 2,500-member Connecticut Education Association.

CEA and its local affiliate, the Nonnewaug Teachers' Association, filed a petition Thursday alleging STEP "required the certified teacher to become a nominal ‘teacher of record' to sign off on a student's course of study taught by non-certified computer software." State law, however, says only that people hired to teach must be certified; it does not mention computer programs, said Tom Murphy of the state Department of Education. "The classroom is changing, and we need to find ways to improve instruction and student experience and reach everyone the best way we can," Murphy said. "If that means we are going to change things, then we should be open to it."

Teachers have opposed the project since Region 14 Superintendent David Pendleton first brought it up last November. High school teachers earned extra money tutoring at-risk students in after-school sessions, using computers and other materials to supplement classwork, according to Tim Cleary, a math teacher and president of the Nonnewaug Teachers' Association.

Attendance for the program was low, Pendleton said. "There was a program previously, and it was a travesty," he said. "It was not working for the students."

The school board unanimously approved STEP to replace the tutoring sessions on Jan. 22. Instead of structured classes led by teachers, students read material for each unit on a terminal, then take a quiz on the material. The software administers the test and grades it.

A paraprofessional, or teacher's aide, keeps order in the room while a certified teacher is supposed to review the students' work.

Cleary said he was the teacher of record for two STEP students who took a math course last spring. He said he and other teachers did not go through any orientation until April even though the program started in January. Cleary said he bumped into one of his students by chance in the computer room and never spoke with the other student.

"I saw no work that the student did. I saw no tests, no quizzes," Cleary said. "All I did was sign off on the computer grade."

Kathleen Sobolewski, head of Nonnewaug's science department and teacher of record for three students taking a STEP biology class last spring, said she was told during her orientation that one student had already finished the course. Sobolewski said she signed off on the student courses "under protest."

Pendleton argued the program was designed to let students go at their own pace.

"It's very important that teachers oversee instruction, but oversight doesn't mean a teacher should be there every minute," Pendleton said. "There's no question (teachers) should be there. They should be there as much as students need them."

The Nonnewaug Teachers' Association filed two previous complaints about the alternative school: the union had no say in teachers' pay and duties in the program; and paraprofessionals had been used inappropriately.

The union met with Pendleton and the state labor board in January, but there was no resolution.

"E-learning is something that is apparently foreign to some of the staff and they are having trouble with it," Pendleton said.

Students are not forced to participate in the program and must be screened by school officials to qualify, Pendleton said. "They may be falling behind ... or they could be waiting to surge ahead. Many students feel slowed down by the traditional way of instruction," he said.

The state Board of Education has 60 days to respond to the petition of the two unions, either with a ruling or by setting a hearing date. The state must rule no later than 90 days after a hearing, if one is convened.

"We believe that this issue is about student learning as much as anything, and we need to be more thoughtful about the new-world uses of technology and the uses of distance learning," Murphy said.

"We want to avoid a legal battle, but we also want to make sure that it's a better program, and you get that from collaboration."

If talks and administrative hearings fall through, however, the unions said they would take the case to court, which may set a new precedent in judging a teacher's place in what Murphy calls "new-world" technology-based classrooms.

"This is completely contradictory to the standards the state has set for education. Students deserve a certified teacher," Coyle said. "We don't want this to be a solution for districts whenever there's a budget crunch."

Pendleton said the district is prepared to defend itself if the case goes to court. But, "I still think we can get this resolved and get (STEP) moving ahead with teachers' support."

Staff Writer Randal Edgar contributed to this report.


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Nonnewaug Teachers' Association, filed a petition Thursday alleging STEP "required the certified teacher to become a nominal ‘teacher of record' to sign off on a student's course of study taught by non-certified computer software." State law, however, says only that people hired to teach must be certified; it does not mention computer programs,

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1 posted on 10/05/2002 8:10:49 AM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
"These at-risk students are not getting the education they deserve," said Rosemary Coyle, president of the 2,500-member Connecticut Education Association.

"They run the very real danger of actually learning something useful, instead of a hodge-podge of liberal shibboleths and the standard left-wing catechism. Besides, computers could put us deadbeats out of work. We must nip this in the bud before the public gets wise to the scam we've been working for half a century now."

2 posted on 10/05/2002 8:16:40 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: chance33_98
Wow, you know this is very interesting.

I didn't even occur to me until right now, you could have the entire high school curriculum on CD-ROMS or online (well, I suppose you'd still have to dissect the frog in real time). This would be a boon for homeschoolers or for high schools where the students sat at terminals and learned at their own pace (some kids would get out in 2 years and I guess some would get out in 6).

This issue shows that the teacher's union only cares about whats best for the students when it means more money for the teachers.
3 posted on 10/05/2002 8:18:14 AM PDT by Maximum Leader
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To: Maximum Leader
The computers don't try to indoctrinate the kids with leftist ideas. A distinct plus.
4 posted on 10/05/2002 8:21:13 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: chance33_98; IronJack
I know of a school district here in FL that has very successfully utilized computers for teaching students at risk of dropping out.

These students, and I have met some of them, did not have the option of homeschooling, but they hate the school environment with its emphasis on social cliques and popularity and the like.

At their own pace, they do the work assigned by the computer, they ask the computer questions and always get an answer, they do not feel the computer discriminates against them in any way (as they often felt hated by their teachers for whatever reasons), and, best of all, they usually hold paying jobs while they continue with this program - so they have interaction with people, but they are now earning money, which is something they hadn't thought about doing as a potential high school drop out.

I am all for computers reaching these kids and wqhoever else prefers a computer to a teacher for whatever reason. There is certainly no shortage of the kind of kids I have described above, who are turning around their lives, verses these same type of alienated kids who took a very different way out at Columbine High School.
5 posted on 10/05/2002 8:23:14 AM PDT by summer
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To: chance33_98
"This is technology education gone haywire. These at-risk students are not getting the education they deserve," said Rosemary Coyle, president of the 2,500-member Connecticut Education Association.

And that differs from the current situation how?

6 posted on 10/05/2002 8:25:03 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: summer
BTW, my comment is not intended to imply homeschooling kids are alienated, as I do not believe that is the result if t he student's parents provide for certain activities in the community for the kids.

However, these at-risk kids I described, and met, did feel that way while in school. And, the Columbine killers certainly felt alienated as well.
7 posted on 10/05/2002 8:25:37 AM PDT by summer
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"The classroom is changing, and we need to find ways to improve instruction and student experience and reach everyone the best way we can,"

How awful that twerps like this are in charge.

"A paraprofessional, or teacher's aide, keeps order in the room while a certified teacher is supposed to review the students' work."

paraprofessional

keeps order in the room while a certified teacher is supposed to review the students' work."

The certified "teacher" used to do that.

Teachers without authority are like most rich Newbies.

As Useless as tits on a bull.

8 posted on 10/05/2002 8:25:46 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: IronJack
Some kids don't want to interact with adults. They do better with computers. Some adults don't want to be bothered either. Years ago, I took a steno course using a computer and I much preferred it to interacting with a teacher.
9 posted on 10/05/2002 8:29:15 AM PDT by ladylib
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10 posted on 10/05/2002 8:31:56 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Maximum Leader
There is a curriculum, Robbins, I believe, that is all on CD-Rom. Students learn at their own pace.

I remember my teachers as being "by the book," having absolutely no interest in making a subject interesting. I figured back then, Who needs them? I could read a history text and answer the questions at the end of the chapter without their help. They were duds in math courses too.

Kids are lucky today. They have many options.

Sometimes teachers over-value themselves.
11 posted on 10/05/2002 8:34:56 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: Maximum Leader
There are computer-generated disection programs for those who don't want to disect an animal, you know, PETA folks.
12 posted on 10/05/2002 8:36:01 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: chance33_98
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13 posted on 10/05/2002 8:39:52 AM PDT by ffrancone
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To: chance33_98
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14 posted on 10/05/2002 8:42:23 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: Huck
Ping, thought you might find this of some interest.
15 posted on 10/05/2002 8:49:18 AM PDT by chance33_98
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To: ladylib
Well now that we have frog dissection issue cleared up, I guess there's no reason not to go to a computer-based curriculum.
:o)

I wonder if any schools (no doubt private; if a public school had tried, we'd have read about the teacher riots) have gone this route. There must be a huge cost savings and I can't imagine the test scores being lower
16 posted on 10/05/2002 8:50:00 AM PDT by Maximum Leader
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To: Maximum Leader
Kids in alternative public schools for troublemakers use computer-generated courses. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for anyone else who might want it.
17 posted on 10/05/2002 8:53:16 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: TxBec
Ping!
18 posted on 10/05/2002 8:54:33 AM PDT by TruthConquers
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19 posted on 10/05/2002 8:58:07 AM PDT by terilyn
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To: chance33_98
Here in Wisconsin, there's a whole lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth over budget overruns and $$$ shortages for schools and school programs. Teachers'unions are very powerful and they have us by the short hairs. A touchy subject is their health insurance which they get totally paid for by the taxpayers, whereas regular real people have copays and increased rates. 85% of the school budget is spent on salaries and benefits.

Many school districts are looking at creative ways in which to contain costs. This would be great. Effective and cheaper. This may be the way out of this great quagmire.
20 posted on 10/05/2002 10:12:26 AM PDT by giznort
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