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[Senator] Specter asks probe of Iraq links to WTC-Okla. attacks
Philadelphia Daily News ^ | Sat, Oct. 05, 2002 | ROSE DeWOLF

Posted on 10/05/2002 10:38:53 AM PDT by flamefront

U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter is calling for a probe into allegations of a possible Iraqi connection between the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City six years earlier.

Specter said he has no plans to pursue the investigation himself, however, but has written to FBI Director Robert Mueller suggesting that the possible connection is worth pursuing.

Earlier this week, Daily News columnist Michael Smerconish wrote a column about the connection theory, which grew out of reports by Jayna Davis, a former television reporter from Oklahoma City who was one of the first on the scene of the Oklahoma bombing.

Davis has investigated early reports about a dark-haired accomplice to convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. The accomplice, identified in a drawing put out by the FBI as "John Doe No. 2," bares a resemblance to an ex-Iraqi soldier who lived in Oklahoma City, Davis learned. And the reporter subsequently came up with evidence indicating that Iraqi nationals were involved in the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building.

"I'm a little surprised that this hasn't gotten more attention, given that there is so much concern about whether Iraq has any connections anywhere," Specter said.

According to Smerconish, Davis has 80 pages of affidavits and 2,000 supporting documents to support her theory.

"Who knows?" said Specter, adding that he felt Davis' information should not be overlooked. His key assistant, Tom Swanton, drafted the letter to the FBI, which states that his staff had earlier contacted both the FBI and the Justice Department requesting a briefing on the issues raised by Davis' allegations, but they were rebuffed.

Specter plans to meet with Davis on Thursday.



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1 posted on 10/05/2002 10:38:53 AM PDT by flamefront
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2 posted on 10/05/2002 10:39:39 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: OKCSubmariner; honway; Fred Mertz; Brian Mosely; TheEaglehasLanded; RightWhale; ladyinred; ...
A token bump for OKCSubmariner's persistance even in his absense from this forum.
3 posted on 10/05/2002 10:41:41 AM PDT by flamefront
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To: flamefront
Did you see Tony Snow on Fox News about 45 minutes ago? They discussed the case and all about the 20 something witnesses who claim they saw John Doe #2. Wouldn't it be something if all this came out about how the Mid-East connection was covered up and instead the bombing was used to go after talk raido and the right wing...

Talk about an October surprise...

4 posted on 10/05/2002 10:42:24 AM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: flamefront; christine; Cool Guy; hobbes1
BTTT

Who would have thought that it would be Senator "Scottish Law" "single bullet" Specter to be the one? Good for him.

5 posted on 10/05/2002 10:43:33 AM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: flamefront
"I'm a little surprised that this hasn't gotten more attention, given that there is so much concern about whether Iraq has any connections anywhere," Specter said.

You and me both, Arlen. And I'm also surprised that we haven't been playing up Saddam's connections to al Qaeda and 9/11.

6 posted on 10/05/2002 10:44:24 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: flamefront
Specter said he has no plans to pursue the investigation himself, however, but has written to FBI Director Robert Mueller...

I'll bet that letter winds up in the trashcan half-read. I appreciate the effort from Specter, but getting the FBI to investigate this would be like getting the fox to investigate disappearances from the henhouse. Even if the FBI were ordered to investigate, they would sit on it for years, then claim they couldn't find anything.

7 posted on 10/05/2002 10:44:57 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Brian Mosely
You said it -- this is wonderful news, so far. I only saw the mention of the Snow coverager before my wife turned off the TV. She said why watch it, you already know about it.
8 posted on 10/05/2002 10:45:20 AM PDT by flamefront
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To: dubyaismypresident
I have a feeling Specter might have been ticked off about that sick Bush cartoon ad. Payback's a Dasshole!
9 posted on 10/05/2002 10:47:13 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: flamefront
"Who knows?" said Specter, adding that he felt Davis' information should not be overlooked."

Yeah, "who knows?" Maybe Specter and the rest of the corrupt fools in Washington will ask the FBI why, if this information is so important, the FBI refused to take the information from Davis in the first place. Or maybe not. Maybe they're too stupid to ask. And maybe, just maybe, the information has already been "overlooked" by the FBI and the rest of the Clinton toads in government.

What the idiot will not ask, however, is why the information was "overlooked" or refused in the first place. That would make the FBI uncomfortable. That would tend to support the theory that they didn't want to know about the terrorists and that they were protecting them.

10 posted on 10/05/2002 10:50:46 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: flamefront
What? They've banned OKCSubmariner?

What a class act.

11 posted on 10/05/2002 10:52:30 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: flamefront
"I'm a little surprised that this hasn't gotten more attention, given that there is so much concern about whether Iraq has any connections anywhere,"

Clinton didn't do anything about all the other attacks on Americans, why should he care about the OKC? Heck, it was a great chance to blame gun owners and right wing radio. A few easy political points - that was more important.
*sigh* Time to get to work and do Clintons job for him - again.
I'm not suprised the Bush Administration sealed the Clinton records. Clinton was probably in on the attacks so he could re-build America into a new socialist society , and if America knew what Clinton had done, all faith in the American presidency would be gone.

12 posted on 10/05/2002 10:53:05 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: OKCSubmariner
A bump to Briley, despite being kicked off here unfortunately.....
13 posted on 10/05/2002 10:53:10 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Brian Mosely
The Clinton administration covered up much of this information.

Soon the connections will become obvious.

Clinton is a coward and is the American equivalent to Nero.......but he didn't fiddle.......he diddled!

14 posted on 10/05/2002 10:53:35 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Meuller will have a tougher time ignoring this now. Fox News is not blown off easilly. And now a senator respected by both parties [albeit grudgingly respected] with experience as a prosecuter, is publicly calling on the FBI to investigate. This all might sound calm and quiet. Perhaps it will remain that way. But I'd take a longshot bet on this at 1-4 odds that it has legs.
15 posted on 10/05/2002 10:53:52 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Reactionary
I know...I just learned about it too...pretty pisseed off. There are only a few cases where I don't like a banning, and this is one of them.
16 posted on 10/05/2002 10:54:06 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
I know...I just learned about it too...pretty pisseed off. There are only a few cases where I don't like a banning, and this is one of them.

What did he get banned for?

17 posted on 10/05/2002 10:56:29 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
posting a "tin foil hat" thread. It had better be some dang serious stuff....I don't just jump for joy when we lose such a resourceful Freeper.
18 posted on 10/05/2002 11:01:56 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Reactionary
Yeah, thats the ticket when someone actually addresses the issue that we here have wanted to be looked into for yrs. we don't say "good" but proceed to piss all over them.

Little wonder "conservatives" find it difficult to expand the conservative movement. They are too busy looking for reasons not to welcome allies preferring to stab them in the back or attack their motives.

Oh, but I forgot reactionaries are not conservatives.
19 posted on 10/05/2002 11:03:45 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
I hope this pans out. We need answers to a lot of unanswered questions.

My parents figured that this whole thing was a bunch of tinfoil hat nonsense until they saw a show about this on the Discovery Channel about a year ago. I don't remember exactly what show it was, but I'd sure like to see it again and record it. The show talked about a guy who was helping at the scene but later wound up dead and was put on the official list of those killed in the bombing. It also talked about the John Doe #2 that eyewitnesses saw, yet the FBI dismissed with the wave of a hand.

20 posted on 10/05/2002 11:09:27 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: rwfromkansas
What`sa tin foil hat?
21 posted on 10/05/2002 11:11:31 AM PDT by bybybill
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You bet. And I'll keep pissing, since I'm evidently not a real conservative.

After all, *real* conservatives like you are simply beside themselves, ready to give Arlin a medal for doing what should have been done years ago. Yes, Arlin's finally getting up to speed. He's going to get to the bottom of it. Really.

Spare me the insufferable dialogue about *real* conservatives. If Free Republic is any indication, the *real* conservatives have been busy ridiculing the Oklahoma City/Iraqi connection on Free Republic for years. When they weren't doing that, however, they were busy banning people who had the guts to talk about it.

Of course, now that the idiot, Specter, is on the bandwagon, the *real* conservatives want to blame others for being divisive. How quaint. How typically "conservative."

22 posted on 10/05/2002 11:19:03 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: rwfromkansas
Ah, don't worry. The *real* conservatives are here to jump on the bandwagon, now that the nitwit, Specter, is on the case.

And they'll be sure to lecture everyone else about how divisive they are, since they've evidently banned the "tinfoilers" who were making them look so conspiratorial and unprofessional.

23 posted on 10/05/2002 11:21:59 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: flamefront; All
FWIW, OKCSubmariner's banning has never set well with me- he may have pushed the envelope, but his dogged investigation was something we need to see more of.

It will help have a "big name" like Fox mention this- most people don't really think a thing is "real" unless they see & hear it on the TV. I'm not saying I like this, but it's a fact- talk radio covered a lot of this stuff years ago, and while it raised doubts, it never went anywhere with the public. They have to see it on the TV...

24 posted on 10/05/2002 11:22:18 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: flamefront
lol..purged him too, did they?

Hilarious.

FReepers should be aware - for as long as this post lasts - the FR is highly edited. People who don't stick to the official line get 'deleted'. Luckily that only applies to post and accounts, but the way things are headed...
Might as well write the history books here at FR. This place is nothing like it once was. I do believe such information control could be considered propaganda.

Of course Spektre is also trying to write the history books with this, removing the Klinton connection for our domestic Reichstag. Mr Magic Bullet, himself... lol. Wonder how he got his Senate committee?

Say... how did Saddam manage to remove the bombs from the building after the blast?

Nevermind, I'll disappear too if I post too many questions, I guess.

25 posted on 10/05/2002 11:25:40 AM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I asked the following question on a separate thread about Frontline: The Man Who Knew

To those Freepers who saw the story:
bombing haunts ^
GOOGLE FR OKC reading ^
GOOGLE Jayna Davis OKC and Terrorism ^



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26 posted on 10/05/2002 11:28:52 AM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: Rye
I caught the tale end of Smerconish"s talk show just the other day with Jayna Davis and I *swear* he said he got no where with Specter. Wonder what has changed since then?
27 posted on 10/05/2002 11:33:01 AM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: DAnconia55
I posted some information on the OK City bombing and got a personal reply from a freeper that he was of the opinion that McVeigh was helped by a right wing militia group. I thought this rather quaint and wondered why he was so concerned that I suspected the Iraqis were involved. He had an axe to grind, that was for sure.
28 posted on 10/05/2002 11:34:48 AM PDT by meenie
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To: Brian Mosely
MSNBCCNNCBSABCNBCPBS will stay away from it...wanna bet?
29 posted on 10/05/2002 11:37:59 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: glorygirl
FYI
30 posted on 10/05/2002 11:39:56 AM PDT by honway
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To: My Favorite Headache
Oh yeah...that is until it gets to the point where they can't ignore it any longer....
31 posted on 10/05/2002 11:41:04 AM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: GirlShortstop
What ever happened to clinton's Presidental Directive #25? I thought we'd hear all about it once he was gone, but, nothing! I hope Bush didn't seal that too!
32 posted on 10/05/2002 11:41:22 AM PDT by Highest Authority
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To: Reactionary
I am going with you on this one. Christ, I hope that doesn't get me banned but I agree with your post 100%.
33 posted on 10/05/2002 11:43:16 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: Brian Mosely
How many reports have we seen over the years that have come out in connection? It has been sick. None of the other networks want to connect this to Iraq. It is so long over due ala Flight 800. Let's kill 2 birds with one stone Arlen and knock out OKC and TWA at the same time, shall we?
34 posted on 10/05/2002 11:45:22 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: Highest Authority
Bush .... Clinton

The former appears to be in the business of protecting the latter, and the latter is definitely in the business of criticizing the former.

35 posted on 10/05/2002 11:46:09 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: GirlShortstop; flamefront; All
I posted this the other day. I also just remembered that Michael also said he had read in (WSJ, NYT ?? - I forget)that Donald Rumsfeld said last week that he had "bullet proof info of an Iraqi connection to terrorism." Michael started to speculate that maybe this could be that info?? He didn't know. But it's out there now.

UPDATE - MICHAEL SMERCONISH RADIO SHOW 10-4-02 4:20pm

Michael just announced on his show that he was in receipt of a fax letter from Sen Arlen Spector (whom he knows well) replying to him re: Jayna Davis info. This gist of the leter is: Dear Director Meuller!!!! Spector told him he was in receipt of the FULL FILE of Jayna Davis in which it is alleged that Iraqi nationals (and perhaps Al Qada) were involved in OKC bombings. Jayna contacted his office with the information. **slight paraphrasing** here - *It is my understanding that members of my staff contacted your office requesting briefings on this matter - and were rebuffed.** It is also my understanding that briefings were offered to James Woolsey and he delined the offer. In light of the congressional hearings going on, don't you think this matter requires further investigating.** A CC was sent to John Ashcroft. Michael said info of this letter would be made public in a statement later today by Spector's office. Michael also said that Spector would welcome Jayna to his office, and Michael asked him if he could sit in on the conference WITH MICROPHONES. Spector said yes, and now Michael is working on broadcasting this radio show. He said "Don't miss the show next week." Also, apparently, this is getting lots of play. Michael mentioned that it was on the FREE REPUBLIC website, Lucianne, and another that I forgot to write down. But that the internet was abuzz with this infor. And he has received literally 1000's of e-mails about this subject since Wednesday, when he had Jayna on his show. PS. I copied and pasted the recipients names from various posts. If I neglected to post anyone that you know is interested, please ping them for me. Thanks. 139 posted on 10/4/02 4:43 PM Eastern by baseballmom [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 79 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
36 posted on 10/05/2002 11:47:17 AM PDT by baseballmom
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To: meenie
McVeigh was helped by a right wing militia group.

That's what Clinton spun, and many believed it. McVeigh went to one malitia meeting and was kicked out for being too radical. LOL. (Clinton is a total arse.)

37 posted on 10/05/2002 11:48:07 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: All
I apologize for not previewing my post better, and omitting the paragraphs. Sorry
38 posted on 10/05/2002 11:51:29 AM PDT by baseballmom
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To: flamefront; Admin Moderator; Reactionary; rwfromkansas
perhaps a note to "powers that be" that perhaps we were a bit too hasty in our exercise of "kicking" folks who espouse the theory that governments sometimes cover things up for political reasons....

In fact... we probably owe the guy an apology. I am not holding my breath.

The investigatory, curious mindset of freerepublic has been dimished by his, and a few of his fellow travelers absence. I would like to see us request he be reinstated. THIS could be one VERY hot issue for the next six weeks, or months.

39 posted on 10/05/2002 11:52:10 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Robert_Paulson2
AGREE!!
40 posted on 10/05/2002 11:53:14 AM PDT by lucyblue
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To: lucyblue
As do I.
41 posted on 10/05/2002 11:55:18 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: flamefront; All
This is what my post should have looked like. Sorry for making your eyes glaze over. :-)

Posted by baseballmom to glorygirl; PhilDragoo; ~Kim4VRWC's~; hoi-polloi; Jim Robinson; OKCSubmariner; honway; backhoe; ...

On News/Activism Oct 4 4:43 PM #139 of 192

UPDATE - MICHAEL SMERCONISH RADIO SHOW 10-4-02 4:20pm

Michael just announced on his show that he was in receipt of a fax letter from Sen Arlen Spector (whom he knows well) replying to him re: Jayna Davis info. This gist of the leter is:

Dear Director Meuller!!!! Spector told him he was in receipt of the FULL FILE of Jayna Davis in which it is alleged that Iraqi nationals (and perhaps Al Qada) were involved in OKC bombings. Jayna contacted his office with the information. **slight paraphrasing** here - *It is my understanding that members of my staff contacted your office requesting briefings on this matter - and were rebuffed.** It is also my understanding that briefings were offered to James Woolsey and he delined the offer. In light of the congressional hearings going on, don't you think this matter requires further investigating.** A CC was sent to John Ashcroft.

Michael said info of this letter would be made public in a statement later today by Spector's office.

Michael also said that Spector would welcome Jayna to his office, and Michael asked him if he could sit in on the conference WITH MICROPHONES. Spector said yes, and now Michael is working on broadcasting this radio show. He said "Don't miss the show next week."

Also, apparently, this is getting lots of play. Michael mentioned that it was on the FREE REPUBLIC website, Lucianne, and another that I forgot to write down. But that the internet was abuzz with this infor. And he has received literally 1000's of e-mails about this subject since Wednesday, when he had Jayna on his show.

PS. I copied and pasted the recipients names from various posts. If I neglected to post anyone that you know is interested, please ping them for me. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
42 posted on 10/05/2002 11:55:19 AM PDT by baseballmom
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To: flamefront
And naturally McVeigh was executed shortly after his conviction, so there's no chance of getting any info out of him as to who else might have been involved
43 posted on 10/05/2002 11:57:09 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: baseballmom
Thanks a bunch 'mom... nice job bringing us up to date.

I hope work doesn't interfere with hearing the show ©¿©

44 posted on 10/05/2002 11:58:43 AM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: All
Speaking of Senators.....anyone know if the SCOTUS showed up to work today? A post last night was saying that if they did, Toricelli may still be on. Any info? Anyone?
45 posted on 10/05/2002 12:01:10 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Rye
There was a major rush to execute McVeigh. And there was a Time magazine article reporting that dozens of FBI field offices withheld thousands of documents on OKC (for no apparent resaon) And then we had the media Blitz condemning " dangeorus white men" for this hideous attack on our country.
46 posted on 10/05/2002 12:01:55 PM PDT by jd777
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To: backhoe; OKCSubmariner
banning OKCSubmariner sucks BUMP!

if it were not for people like him doggedly pursuing the story, it never would have gotten this far.

and surprise, suprise: it seems he may be right.

he is due an apology.
47 posted on 10/05/2002 12:10:20 PM PDT by the crow
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To: All; the crow
Link

It is very likely that next week the Fox News Channel will interview David Schippers and he will share with the viewers that he has an affidavit from a government official stating that the official has viewed a surveillance videotape from the vicinity of the Murrah Building and the tape records two people in the Ryder truck.

This information about the affidavit was first posted in an article at the above link.

48 posted on 10/05/2002 12:13:26 PM PDT by honway
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To: Reactionary
He doesn't appear to be currently banned, but his last post was on 9/9/02.
49 posted on 10/05/2002 12:26:58 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace
OKCSubmariner signed up 2000-06-13.
This account has been banned.

Incidentally I became convinced after this.

Jim Quinn interview David Shippers and Janya Davis concerning OKC terrorist connection(6/27/02).

50 posted on 10/05/2002 12:40:45 PM PDT by McGruff
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