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FBI’s "Perverse Culture"
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Posted on 10/05/2002 10:09:23 PM PDT by FreedomFriend

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To: FreedomFriend
I know hardly anything about the internal workings of the FBI, or its history of reliability as an upholder of law and justice. That's precisely why it scares me. Any government-funded, government-operated organization that gets to do what it does without people knowing all about it is inherently dangerous. Abuses of power require darkness and concealment; therefore, people who want power over others for their own purposes will gravitate toward them. The incentives and dynamics are grim.

Inasmuch as the FBI is a federal police force -- there's no getting around that -- it should be subject to the same sort of oversight and sunshine provisions as any other police force. Its success in representing itself as a bastion of stainless integrity has deflected most thrusts toward that effect, but given recent developments (e.g., Waco and Ruby Ridge), its period of grace might be coming to an end.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
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21 posted on 10/06/2002 3:22:53 AM PDT by fporretto
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To: FreedomFriend
From the article:The wrongdoers keep rising to the top. Meanwhile, those who refuse to look the other way face a dead-end in their careers....This Soviet-style institutional culture, in which agents like Harp are promoted because of institutional loyalty...

Sounds like Enron, doesn't it?

There is a job which needs to be done by the FBI, but they are never going to do it due to their culture. Also, the unconstitutional federalization of crime has spread them way too thin and gotten them into areas where they have no business (e.g., guns, drugs).
22 posted on 10/06/2002 4:14:55 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Texasforever
I've got some FRmails you sent me when you were drunk and pissed off. They're funny, though you were trying to be menacing. Have another beer. Have two more. That's what happens when you get pissed off (every day).
23 posted on 10/06/2002 5:10:14 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: WOSG
Right now we need to see the Criminal Enterprise known as the Democratic Party lose the Senate

Then you'd better get some new politicians and party leaders. If Bush had appointed a strong AG and sicced him on the Clintons while ordering investigations into election fraud, the Democrats wouldn't be able to get one of their crooks elected dogcatcher.

Y'all need a leadership transplant in your party. The ones you have spend all their time worrying that some democrat might say something mean about one of them. Half of them are on their knees to their democrat counterparts and the other half pretends not to notice that there is such a thing as a democrat.

Great opposition party you've got there. No wonder the democrats have been able to destroy what was once a great nation.

24 posted on 10/06/2002 5:18:14 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: dd5339
Randy Weaver ping
25 posted on 10/06/2002 5:57:19 AM PDT by Vic3O3
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To: DentsRun
I've been reading messages posted by Freepers for four years now and I must admit I still don't understand them. Half of them want to nuke anyone who looks at them crosseyed and the rest are afraid to go to sleep at night for fear of terrorists under their bed.

A pisspoor characterization of Freepers. You may need another four years of reading posts before you get an accurate picture.

26 posted on 10/06/2002 7:43:28 AM PDT by JPJones
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To: Twodees
Then you'd better get some new politicians and party leaders. If Bush had appointed a strong AG and sicced him on the Clintons while ordering investigations into election fraud, the Democrats wouldn't be able to get one of their crooks elected dogcatcher.

Um, wrong... If Bush had been busy on recriminations and investigations, the Dems would charge "witchhunt" and use it as an excuse to win more power & elections. That's not what the people want, and playing coyote to the Democrats' roadrunner is not a winning Strategy. Focus on the business at hand, economy, energy, defense, etc. in case you havent noticed, conservatives like mcconnell are fightng to get antifruad measure put in the election bills.

Y'all need a leadership transplant in your party. The ones you have spend all their time worrying that some democrat might say something mean about one of them. At elast on War on Iraq we have a President who stood his ground and made the Democrat blink, then get mad, then blink again and look the fools for their lack of sense and spine.

Great opposition party you've got there. that is where you are wrong. The GOP will be the majority party if they take the US Senate. We really have a political environment where the parties are split 50/50 on the American people. GOP is the taxpayer and men's party and Dems the subsidy/welfare receiver and women's party.

No wonder the democrats have been able to destroy what was once a great nation. The Democrats have done a lot of stupid and dangerous things and there are plenty of laws and regulations that both Dems and Repubs have foisted on us that shouldnt be, but we are still a great nation. And we will be greater still in years to come.

27 posted on 10/06/2002 8:23:07 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: DentsRun
Typical tactic of a facists-leftwing nutcase. Take a few extreme stances taken by members of a particular ideology and try to create a strange dichotomy in which all members of that ideology discretely fall within.
28 posted on 10/06/2002 12:14:11 PM PDT by lone_conservative_law_student
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To: FreedomFriend
Did the old FBI feel a middle aged, middle class Republican was more a threat than Osama? Where did the FBI spend terrorist money. Follow the money to the truth.
29 posted on 10/06/2002 12:18:44 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: lone_conservative_law_student
Typical tactic of a facists-leftwing nutcase. Take a few extreme stances taken by members of a particular ideology and try to create a strange dichotomy in which all members of that ideology discretely fall within.

Some people feel such a compelling need to bomb Iraq that they'd gladly throw the constitution out the window if it would bring that happy morn 30 seconds closer. Bush is going about it the right way--asking congress for a resolution to go after Saddam. I wish all Freepers would support him in that effort instead of (repeatedly) claiming that he's the commander in chief and, when it comes to dropping bombs, can do whatever he wants without congressional authorization or any other dogsquat.

30 posted on 10/06/2002 12:46:47 PM PDT by DentsRun
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To: DentsRun
"And you know what? Most Freepers don't care. The government can do whatever it wants and as long as we bomb Iraq all is forgiven."

Sometimes it is better to stay silent and be thought a fool...

31 posted on 10/06/2002 12:54:42 PM PDT by okie01
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To: JPJones
A pisspoor characterization of Freepers. You may need another four years of reading posts before you get an accurate picture.

Anyone who has been a Freeper even four days can see that there are some people here who don't care a hoot about the constitution, Jeffersonian democracy or anything else. They just want to bomb something, the sooner the better, preferably with nukes. The name of this website is Free Republic, as in representative government. If the founders wanted it to be a place which advocated the president's unilateral right to bomb anyone at any time they would have called it Free Dictatorship, not Free Republic.

32 posted on 10/06/2002 12:58:59 PM PDT by DentsRun
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To: okie01
Sometimes it is better to stay silent and be thought a fool...

And sometimes it is better to speak up when they come for the Catholics or the Jews instead of remaining silent until they come for you.

33 posted on 10/06/2002 1:01:29 PM PDT by DentsRun
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To: A6M3
As bad as Hoover was, Ruby Ridge and Waco would have never
happened under his watch. He took accountants and lawyers
and turned them into investigators. All the FBI's little
toy SWAT team soldiers should be disbanded, the agents
disarmed, and it should become an investigative agency again. The first step is to fire everyone at the top. I'll bet Hoover is spinning in his dress and high heels right
now.
34 posted on 10/06/2002 1:08:06 PM PDT by Trickyguy
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To: DentsRun
Non sequitur.

It was a foolish thing to say.

Not to mention false...

35 posted on 10/06/2002 1:44:56 PM PDT by okie01
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To: DentsRun
Anyone who has been a Freeper even four days can see that there are some people here who don't care a hoot about the constitution,

Once again a very knee-jerk, intellectually dishonest characterization.

The name of this website is Free Republic

Yes it is, and I suggest you go to FR's home page and read the logo and motto.

36 posted on 10/06/2002 4:37:22 PM PDT by JPJones
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To: JPJones
DentsRun: The name of this website is Free Republic

Yes it is, and I suggest you go to FR's home page and read the logo and motto.

I did. And, unlike some people here, the home page makes no claim that the commander in chief has the right to bomb anyone at any time, congress and the constitution be damned. Given that we live in a republic, the president needs the consent of Congress to start a war, and President Bush, I'm glad to say, is currently asking Congress for exactly that. Why anyone here would object to Congress's first approving war with Iraq, I can't imagine, unless he regards Congress and the Constitution as unreasonable restraints on the president's right to bomb away on his own volition.

37 posted on 10/06/2002 5:27:22 PM PDT by DentsRun
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To: Twodees
Sorry I missed you last night. You seem to hit and run.
38 posted on 10/06/2002 8:05:14 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: DentsRun
I did. And, unlike some people here, the home page makes no claim that the commander in chief has the right to bomb anyone at any time, congress and the constitution be damned.

Ok Dents, name and ping all these people on FR who say 'damn the Constitution'. Let's see how many there really are and what their response is.

If there are alot, I'll concede the point, if there are only a few, then my point about you mischaracterizing FR stands.

39 posted on 10/07/2002 5:04:34 PM PDT by JPJones
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To: JPJones
Ok Dents, name and ping all these people on FR who say 'damn the Constitution'. Let's see how many there really are and what their response is.

I've got a better idea. You print out all the message texts where people demanded that Bush get congressional authorization before bombing anyone. I know there were a few, because I posted them myself. Unfortunately, what I got back was a lot of responses saying:

(1) the commander in chief doesn't need anyone's permission to bomb anyone

(2) the constitution is not a death warrant

(3) the president got all the authorization he needs after 9-11

(4) the 1991 congressional authorization to go after Iraq is still in force (5) wha happens if Bush goes to congress and they vote the wrong way (6) Daschle is an idiot

40 posted on 10/07/2002 6:37:55 PM PDT by DentsRun
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