[Skywalk]

You know what really surprises me?

I thought it was common knowledge these days that if a criminal goes beyond mere robbery to kidnapping you or demanding you to get in a car AT ALL, that it means DEATH. Do I recall the details of the case correctly when I say that only one of the Carrs had a gun, and there were FIVE FRIGGIN PEOPLE AT THE HOUSE.

WHere were the men when the women were being treated like these scumbags private sextoys? ANd if they were being raped, doesn't that mean that at MOST only one gun was trained on the rest of the victims?

Reminds of that California case...what happened to us that we no longer fight for our lives?

[KantianBurke]

Hopefully the example set by Todd Beamer and the others on Flight 93 has obliterated that sort of sheep mentality.

[sheik yerbouty]

Thirty years of the cancer called "political correctness."

[Korth]

what happened to us that we no longer fight for our lives?

The threat of punishment hanging over your head if you defend yourself is a large part of what happened. You can be punished for defending yourself from criminals in any part of the country now. In Arizona it was once unheard of to prosecute anyone who was defending himself against criminals, but it happens fairly often now.