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Kennedy: Bush Iraq Plan a 'Pearl Harbor in Reverse'
NewsMax.com ^ | 10/07/02 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 10/07/2002 10:38:22 PM PDT by kattracks

Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., said Monday that U.S. plans for preemptive action against Iraq reminded him of the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor 61 years ago.

Debating President Bush's request for congressional authority to make war, Kennedy warned the Senate that a U.S. Iraq attack would be "a Pearl Harbor in reverse," according to the Associated Press.

He urged the Bush White House to use the same restraint President John F. Kennedy did in not attacking Cuba during the 1962 missile crisis.

Sen. Kennedy made no reference to the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba a year earlier: the ill-fated CIA operation approved by his brother that prompted Fidel Castro to invite the Soviet Union to position nuclear missiles 90 miles off U.S. shores.

In urging Bush to show restraint towards Saddam Hussein, Sen. Kennedy seemed to be following in the footsteps of his late father, Joseph P. Kennedy, who, as Ambassador to the Court of St. James in 1939, argued that the U.S. should make a separate peace with Adolf Hitler.

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To: kattracks
Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., said Monday that U.S. plans for preemptive action against Iraq reminded him of the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor 61 years ago.

Funny. I don't remember ever reading about the Japanese ever loudly declaring their intentions to make war on us if we did not comply with a treaty obligation we had with them.

Iraq, as the losing side in the Gulf War, has a treaty obligation to allow inspections and to not seek weapons of mass destruction. Iraq has violated that treaty obligation and the U.S. has a right to enforce compliance, by force if necessary.

The correct analogy would be the pre-emptive action that the Allies should have taken in 1935 when Hitler renounced the Versailles Treaty and anounced that Nazi Germany was re-arming. A pre-emptive strike in 1935 would have averted 40 millions deaths in the World War II European Theater the 1940's.

Of course, in 1935, Ted Kennedy's father, Joseph Kennedy, soon to be American Ambassador to the Court of St. James, would have disapproved of such a pre-emptive strike against Nazi Germany.

In 1938, the German Ambassador to the Court of St. James's, Herbert von Dirksen, told his Nazi bosses back in Berlin that Kennedy was Nazi "Germany's best friend" in London.

To quote from the above link:

During May of 1938, Kennedy engaged in extensive discussions with the new German Ambassador to the Court of St. James's, Herbert von Dirksen. In the midst of these conversations (held without approval from the U.S. State Department), Kennedy advised von Dirksen that President Roosevelt was the victim of "Jewish influence" and was poorly informed as to the philosophy, ambitions and ideals of Hitler's regime. (The Nazi ambassador subsequently told his bosses that Kennedy was "Germany's best friend" in London.)

61 posted on 10/08/2002 7:46:56 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: MeeknMing
Regarding MeeknMing's Ted Kennedy "Tax the Rich" cartoon.....

The Kennedys are very wealthy as a result of the trust funds that Joseph P. Kennedy set up for his children with the money that he made as a robber baron.

Does anyone happen to know how and even if that money is now taxed?

62 posted on 10/08/2002 7:55:55 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Fresh Wind
Maybe, but he has Greenpeace escorting him.
63 posted on 10/08/2002 8:03:05 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Eagle Eye 2
The Kennedy clan, are as bunch of worthless political grifters.
64 posted on 10/08/2002 8:05:41 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Eagle Eye 2
Oh yipes...
65 posted on 10/08/2002 8:23:09 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: sheik yerbouty
Make that "a" instead of "as". I'm huked on fonix!
66 posted on 10/08/2002 8:24:52 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: bybybill
He is a disgrace. A shameful human being and I use that term lightly. But, hope he keeps talking or BLABBERING...it can only help America.
67 posted on 10/08/2002 8:26:58 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Wphile
Can anyone tell me the last time Ted Kennedy was relevant? And by relevant i don't mean rediculously durnk.
68 posted on 10/08/2002 8:51:54 AM PDT by WashingtonCollegeofLaw
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To: kattracks
Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., said Monday that U.S. plans for preemptive action against Iraq reminded him of the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor 61 years ago.

Okay ... Ted has a point. I have the solution. It will destroy Bush's plans for a sneak attack on Iraq if the Iraqis find out we might attack them.

So, Ted ... Why don't you go over and tell Saddam we're thinking of attacking? Do it as soon as possible, please, so we can get on with it.

69 posted on 10/08/2002 9:02:57 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Wphile
Ted, you killed a young girl and you are a fat drunkard so keep your mouth shut.
70 posted on 10/08/2002 9:03:42 AM PDT by LaGrone
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To: ladyinred
JFK would most certainly have attacked had the missiles not been removed!

Heck, even Franklin D. Roosevelt wouldn't recognize the Democratic Party of 2002! The Democratic Party has turned so far left since 1968 that Democratic Party positions of the 1950's would be considered mainline Republican positions of 2002.

71 posted on 10/08/2002 9:06:08 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: kattracks
James Carroll's simpering column on Kennedy's speech in today's Globe:

IN 1971, WASHINGTON was shocked when a throng of battle-scarred veterans showed up to protest the war in Vietnam. They camped on the Mall, and the Nixon administration quickly obtained a ruling from Chief Justice Warren Burger ordering the veterans to clear out.

They refused. Would they be arrested? It was then that Senator Edward M. Kennedy boldly went to the Mall where the antiwar veterans had pitched their tents and sleeping bags. ''You have served your country well abroad,'' he told them, ''and will serve it even better here in Washington.''

Kennedy's public support of the illegal demonstrators was key in turning the tide of opinion - and then law - in the veterans' favor, and a crucial blow against the war was struck (See ''Home to War'' by Gerald Nicosia).

Ted Kennedy is doing it again. ''I started my career at a time when there was a war that was important to end,'' he said to me as we sat together last Saturday. ''And now - not that I am finishing my career - there is a war that requires us to relearn those lessons of history.''

A few minutes later, in Harvard's Sanders Theater, Kennedy delivered a stirring address at the induction ceremony of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, perhaps the strongest criticism of the move toward war in Iraq yet made by a leading politician, although you would not know that from the way the speech was ignored in the drum-beating media.

Instead of focusing on the details of the prowar resolution that Congress will likely approve this week, Kennedy hom ed in on ''a more fundamental debate that is only just beginning - an all-important debate about how, when, and where in the years ahead our country will use its unsurpassed military might.'' Iraq is simply the first case in point.

Responding to the Bush administration's recently published ''National Security Strategy of the United States,'' Kennedy carefully dissected the radical assumptions that are driving the nation toward war. First, he showed that by equating the two quite distinct purposes of ''prevention'' and ''preemption,'' President Bush is leading America to embrace a course of action it has long condemned in others.

''Traditionally,'' Kennedy said, ''`preemptive' action refers to times when states react to an imminent threat of attack.'' He offered Israel's response to the border-moves of Egypt and Syria in 1967 as an example of justified preemption. By contrast, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, intending to undercut a potential ''capability that could someday become threatening,'' was a ''preventive'' action. ''The coldly premeditated nature of preventive attacks and preventive wars makes them anathema to well-established principles against aggression.''

To Kennedy, preventive war is still anathema, and his denunciation of the Bush embrace of preventive war against Iraq draws its edge from the fact that President John Kennedy, in 1961 and 1962, rejected the argument for preventive war against the Soviet Union, protecting a moral boundary. ''For 175 years,'' Edward Kennedy quotes Robert Kennedy as saying, ''we have not been that kind of country.''

Are we now? The Bush administration's new doctrine, Kennedy said, ''asserts that global realities now legitimize preventive war and make it a strategic necessity. The document openly contemplates preventive attacks against groups or states, even absent the threat of imminent attack I strongly oppose any such extreme doctrine.''

The second feature of Bush's radical new approach that Kennedy lambasted was its assumption that the United States is somehow exempt ''from the rules we expect others to obey.'' Kennedy reiterated an old cliche of public morality - ''Might does not make right!'' - but in the present context, his reference rang with prophetic relevance. The hubris of overwhelming power is corrupting the nation. ''America cannot write its own rules for the modern world. To attempt to do so would be unilateralism run amok.'' Bush is undercutting the war on terrorism, destroying alliances, setting dangerous precedents, and eviscerating America's moral legitimacy.

Again daring to go where few of his colleagues venture, Kennedy defined all of this by its proper name: ''The administration's doctrine is a call for 21st century American imperialism that no other nation can or should accept.'' The debate in Congress this week is centered on Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but what is really at stake are basic structures of the American idea. The name Kennedy is properly attached to this nation's noblest impulse, and it is fitting that the last of the brothers is raising his voice in its defense.

The afternoon of his speech, the senator and I were sitting in a Somerville cafe. A customer approached our rear-corner table to say, ''Senator, I want to thank you for all you're doing to stand up for us against this rush to war.''

I asked her name, and if I could quote her. ''Lucy Borodkin,'' she said firmly. ''And you certainly can.''

James Carroll's column appears regularly in the Globe.

This story ran on page A15 of the Boston Globe on 10/8/2002.


72 posted on 10/08/2002 9:07:21 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: kattracks
Ted....do not comment on anything relating to H2O. Ole'Eddie's rants are muffled by the gurgling screams he chose to ingnore.

Mustang sends.

73 posted on 10/08/2002 9:20:52 AM PDT by Mustang
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To: kattracks
In urging Bush to show restraint towards Saddam Hussein, Sen. Kennedy seemed to be following in the footsteps of his late father, Joseph P. Kennedy, who, as Ambassador to the Court of St. James in 1939, argued that the U.S. should make a separate peace with Adolf Hitler.

That says it all. If one needs a translation, that person's too far gone to be helped.

74 posted on 10/08/2002 9:50:21 AM PDT by steveegg
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To: MeeknMing
BWAHAHAHA!!!!
75 posted on 10/08/2002 10:08:20 AM PDT by steveegg
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To: kattracks
Sen. Kennedy made no reference to the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba a year earlier: the ill-fated CIA operation approved by his brother that prompted Fidel Castro to invite the Soviet Union to position nuclear missiles 90 miles off U.S. shores.

Old Teddy the Swimmer; what a TWIT!

76 posted on 10/08/2002 10:10:35 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Polybius
The Kennedys are very wealthy as a result of the trust funds that Joseph P. Kennedy set up for his children with the money that he made as a robber baron.

Old Joe wasn't a robber baron, he made his money bootlegging during Prohibition! Then he used some of that money to buy into Hollywood and film production!

77 posted on 10/08/2002 10:19:45 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: kattracks
I think teddy is the mental runt of the family. (Not to include the more extended family that has kkt or patsy.) Of course, his "runtness" only applies to brain power. And for a kennedy, that is really not saying a lot.

TC

79 posted on 10/08/2002 10:31:20 AM PDT by I_be_tc
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To: I_be_tc
And that would make John-boy the mental "giant" (which is saying even less).
80 posted on 10/08/2002 10:39:17 AM PDT by steveegg
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