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Postmortem on a Phony War (A critical article worth reading)
Arutz Sheva ^ | 10-10-02 | Angelo M. Codevilla

Posted on 10/09/2002 3:41:57 PM PDT by SJackson

"For them, war would consist of fighting as little as possible."—Charles de Gaulle, on Franco-British policy between September 1939 and June 1940.[1]

By spring 2002, the Bush administration´s pretense that it was making war had worn thin. The Bush team had declared that September 11 had "changed everything," that "those who are not with us are against us," and that its "war on terrorism" would dispense with latter-day American reticence about foreign engagements and warfare. Nevertheless, the Bush team fought a classic phony war, because its chief priority was to change as little as possible the visions, objectives, assumptions, and modus operandi of late-twentieth-century American elites. This calls for something of a postmortem on the "war" that never was.

The Bush team´s chief objective, "stability," was the least possible of things. The vision of an orderly, multicultural, "international community" was as powerful in Bush´s Washington as it had been in Woodrow Wilson´s—and as far removed from reality. The right of Third World regimes to sovereign existence under housebroken tyrants, America´s right and capacity to make peace in places it does not rule, America´s unworthiness to stigmatize foreign cultures (much less to kill foreign regimes), the U.S. government´s need to heed "the allies," especially "the Europeans," and to restrain the "unsophisticated," "unilateralist" American public—these and a host of other unserious assumptions continued to reign. Moreover, the Bush team employed the same kind of people and modus operandi as its predecessors. They spoke loudly and wasted America´s stick on the least significant enemies.

After Arabs had terrorized America on behalf of Arab causes, the Bush team refused to fight or even to indict any Arab entity at all. It did this to shore up "friendly" Arab governments that (it chose not to notice) were in thrall to the terror states of Iraq, Syria, and the Palestinian Authority (PA). By mid 2002, the Bush team´s war on terrorism consisted chiefly of impotent, counterproductive, and silly security measures at home and, in the Middle East, of restraining Israel.

Rather than forcing others to accept America´s version of peace, the Bush policy conveyed readiness to accept others´ ever-pricier promises of peace. That is what "peace processes" are about: one side vainly seeks to avoid the reality of war. Bloody, phony peace is the natural fruit of phony war.

That is because once the killing starts, one side´s reticence is the greatest encouragement for the other to fight. And the longer wars go on, the more possibilities they offer to the bold. Thus any government that stints pursuit of victory to preserve its favorite current arrangements inevitably finds others imposing their own agendas.

(Bad) Ideas Have (Worse) Consequences

The Bush team decided to make war on "terrorism" (an abstract noun), rather than on real people. Rather than destroy regimes whose demise might make the American people safe from terrorist attacks, the Bush team pursued only the "shadowy" al-Qa‘ida, as if a private organization could organize worldwide mayhem from Arab police states without being one of their tools. Why this James Bond-ish fiction? Because the Bush team did not deem the events of September 11 sufficient warrant for going against the predominant views of American elites (which it shares) about real people.

Through most of the twentieth century, American elites have willed to believe that all peoples are created equal and that, if all were ruled by their own kind, a stable, decent, peaceful world would result. Hence in the 1950s in the Middle East as elsewhere, the U.S. State Department and especially Central Intelligence (CIA) fostered nationalism, socialist parties, and the replacement of European colonial rule by native regimes. When speaking to CIA director Allen Dulles, his brother John Foster Dulles, the secretary of state, would refer to Egypt´s Gamal Nasser as "your colonel."[2]

As early as 1958, however, the political ancestors of Saddam Husayn had taken over Iraq and Syria as well as Egypt. Yemen became a Soviet ally. Much of the region (like the rest of the Third World) would be neither peaceful nor decent—much less, pro-American.America´s "best and brightest" tried to maintain their conviction that somehow local rulers would safeguard America´s interests in the region: oil, a modicum of peace, as well as safety for Israel. American elites would not use force, would not take responsibility, would continue to believe in their vision of a world of equal, sovereign peoples, and would get their way. They wanted much for little and failed to proportion the ends they sought to the means they were willing to use. Hence U.S. policy has been based on patently false pretenses: that allies in the region would play their assigned roles and that indirect U.S. force would be enough.

So, between 1958 and 1978, U.S. policymakers made Iran´s shah the Westernizing paladin of Western interests. But they did not protect the shah from the anti-Western forces to which they had exposed him. After the shah´s fall, they imagined that Iraq´s Saddam Husayn might be got to play his role—and in addition to contain Iran. They could not believe that Saddam would pursue his own vision of empire. When, in 1990, Saddam surprised them by invading Kuwait and holding hostage the entire region, the U.S. government killed thousands of Iraqis who were irrelevant to the regime. But the reigning ideas in Washington did not allow for destroying Saddam´s regime any more than they had allowed the destruction of America´s real enemies in Korea and Vietnam. Thus the United States committed the only unpardonable sin in the region: weakness.

Unwilling either to abandon the region to America´s enemies or simply to destroy such enemies when they arose, above all unwilling to impose their own order, the State Department officials, policy analysts, successive administrations, and polite opinion formed a consensus that designated the Saudi monarchy as the new representative of Western interests.They then mistakenly deferred to the Saudis´ judgment of their own and Western interests. Knowing all too well the Saudis´ internal fragility and external weakness, they built up U.S. military forces in the region. But—and this is the key point—they had no idea of how those forces might save the Saudi regime from internal challenges. When Saudi Arabia became less hospitable, the weight of U.S. policy shifted to the Gulf sheikhdoms. But U.S. forces could no more protect any Gulf potentate than they protected the shah or Egypt´s Anwar Sadat (whom his murderers called Shah-dat.) Nor would those forces kill any of the region´s regimes. That is one reason why the presence of U.S. military forces since 1990 (despite or perhaps because of their kindness to the local population) has engendered contempt for America.

Another policy is of the same kind. Since the 1970s, through any number of shuttle missions and plans named for officials or conference sites (Rogers, Kissinger, Camp David, Schultz, Baker, Oslo, Ross, Wye, Mitchell, Tenet, etc.), the U.S. government has chosen to promote various forms of a deal to settle the Arab-Israeli conflict: Israel would give more power to the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in exchange for the latter´s promises of peaceful coexistence. Note, however, that the United States has limited itself to outlining the deal and to pressures to enter it. President Clinton in 1993, and President Bush in 2002, declared support for a Palestinian state but left the details to be settled later. More important, none ever promised that the United States would enforce any deal. U.S. statesmen have eschewed matching military means to political ends. This insolvent, irresolute U.S. foreign policy has invited those Arabs inclined to do so to exert murderous pressure on the United States as well as on Israel. It does not take the proverbial rocket scientist to notice that increased Arab diplomatic pressure and an increased level of terrorist activity against the United States by Arabs have gone hand-in-hand with increased U.S. pressure on Israel.

The list of terrorist acts by Arabs against Americans aimed at influencing U.S. policy toward Israel is too long and well known to rehash. The list of U.S. military retaliations against an Arab government, however, contains only one small item: President Reagan´s 1986 strike on some Libyan army barracks. That Arab governments allied with the United States, never mind the Arab terror regimes of Iraq, Syria, and the PA, support anti-American causes politically and psychologically is obvious to anyone who goes on-line. Equally obvious is that the American foreign policy class nevertheless continues to pretend that Arab regimes in general and even "progressive" organizations such as the PLO and the Ba‘th party are viable partners for peace. Thus U.S. foreign policy supports regimes that support anti-Americanism, even to the point of acting to retain the Iraqi regime while impotently wishing that Saddam himself would go. Yet according to the reigning mentality, the notion that terrorism is the Arab world´s principal means of action is racism. Indeed, the U.S. government´s official pre-September-11 attitude toward these regimes was, "One man´s terrorist is another man´s freedom fighter." Cultural relativism shielded from reality what the U.S. government wanted to believe about Arab regimes.

After the surprise of September 11, President Bush´s public speeches sounded a different tone: "We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them,"[3] and "There is no such thing as a good terrorist."[4] But Bush could have uprooted visions, assumptions, and practices so deeply entrenched only if he had dismissed officials who embody both cultural relativism and a disregard for the relationship between ends and means. He did not commission a team more suited to winning a war, rather using the war to entrench the very persons, mindset, and decisions that brought on the nasty surprise. That is the hallmark of phony war.

Here, patriotic rhetoric aside, is how the Bush team really sees the "war."

Although we might prefer that some regimes—Iraq, Syria, and the PA—were other than they are, the problem is the existence of a network of private extremists. Nearly all the world´s governments see terrorism as a threat to civilized life and are more or less willing to help root it out. The problem is that the Kuwait war and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict misidentified the United States as anti-Muslim and anti-Arab and inhibited modernization and secularization in the Muslim world. The cooperation of governments in the Muslim world is key to defeating terrorism. To get that cooperation, we must first ensure the survival of friendly governments. To do that, we must cool popular ire against them and America. That means that any U.S. attack on Iraq or any Israeli dismantling of the PA would call forth more terrorism than it would prevent and would endanger friendly governments. Hence, the United States must cool the Arab-Israeli conflict, even at the cost of setting up a risky Palestinian state. Once Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan, and maybe Syria and the PA, too, can afford to be friendly to the United States, then liaison between their intelligence services and ours can leave the terrorists nowhere to hide. Once we have turned the war on terrorism from a political (let alone religious one) into a criminal matter, we can win it by intelligence and police measures. The paramount problem is that the American people may run short on patience.

Phony from the Start

Who to kill is the decision that defines any war. In response to the attacks of September 11 by Arabs from "friendly" Arab countries—on behalf of causes embodied by Iraq, Syria, and the PA—the Bush team decided to do nothing against any Arab entity but rather to kill people in Afghanistan. No one argued that this would make America safe from the rising enmity of the Arab world or avenge the attacks. When pressed, the Bush team did not deny that Arab governments were abetting this enmity. But it deferred the whole matter to an undefined next phase because securing the support of friendly Arab governments was the sine qua non of everything else.

Saudi Arabia conditioned its support of the war, however, on Americans not killing any Arabs at all. Later, it conditioned its support even further. Competent people know that to ask dubious allies to support action that one has shown a willingness to defer and redefine amounts to asking for further pressure to defer, redefine, and derail. Thus, from the outset, this was a war defined in terms of what must not be done and aimed at validating a view of the world according to which the war should never have started —that is, a phony war.

Permanent factors made the temporary permanent. Deference to the Saudi and Egyptian governments had also been the reason why the first Bush administration put off action on Iraq in 1991. For the same reason, the completion of the U.S. war in Afghanistan did not usher in the next phase in which the United States would fight enemy regimes in the Arab world. Instead, U.S. troops would scour the earth for individuals connected to al-Qa‘ida. In January 2002, subsequent to intelligence reports of sophisticated terrorist nerve centers in northeast Afghan caves, U.S. troops stormed them—and found nothing of the sort. But when, in March, Jeffrey Goldberg´s article in The New Yorker detailed Saddam´s use of al-Qa‘ida to fight the Kurds in northern Iraq, the Bush team showed no interest and deferred consideration of invading Iraq to 2003, if then.[5]

The most impotent, counterproductive, and silly part of the war however, was "Homeland Security."

Since September 11, "security" is everywhere. Police and federal agencies have unprecedented powers. Whether mailing a package, entering a large building, or especially flying commercially, Americans are subject to strictures more reminiscent of a banana republic than of America. Yet note: had all of the new security measures been in effect on September 11, they would not have interfered with the attacks. Moreover, studies have shown that even against the most heavily defended targets, terrorist attacks succeed about 85 percent of the time. Insofar as police measures work at all, they do so by targeting specific ethnic groups while sparing the general population. However, Israel´s experience confirms Machiavelli´s observation that the world´s most stringent security measures can do little against those who are willing to give up their lives to kill. Protecting America´s vast society with police measures is nonsense.

The acme of nonsense is President Bush´s proposal for reorganizing existing agencies and bureaus into a department of Homeland Security. No one would change their thinking or modus operandi. They would change only their lines of bureaucratic reporting. When companies try to avoid confronting their own inadequacies, they often reorganize.

The Bush team´s approach to police measures—officially assuming that anyone is as likely to be a terrorist as anyone else—is counterproductive and silly. It trains Americans to mistrust and to check each other. This approach caused security officers at one airport to detain an elderly holder of the Congressional Medal of Honor for trying to take the medal onto an airplane, and at another airport, as part of a random check, to search former Vice President Al Gore—who got more votes for president than did George W. Bush. Grandmothers from Peoria are searched, while young Arabic-looking men are not. This randomness is less in the service of security, much less of war, than it is a ritual reaffirmation of the ideology of contemporary American elites, most recently expressed by Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) director Robert Mueller: "We are not looking for individuals of any particular religion or from any particular country."[6]

No surprise then, that after an Egyptian with an anti-American and anti-Israeli record gunned down a crowd of Americans and Israelis at the El Al counter of Los Angeles airport, the U.S. government´s official reaction was: "There is nothing to indicate terrorism."

In practice, the FBI prefers to seek out terrorists among anti-government people at home than among anti-Americans from the Middle East. Since letters containing anthrax were mailed to Capitol Hill in October 2001, the field offices of the FBI have been busy trying to prove that they were the work of a domestic anti-government scientist (an early FBI source gratuitously added right-wing) rather than of any foreign government. But after 5,000 interviews and 1,700 subpoenas; after officially suspecting 130 individual Americans and 100 companies; after being convinced of the guilt of one American who turned out to be innocent, the U.S. government has zero evidence of domestic involvement. Yet despite evidence that a September 11 hijacker was treated for an anthrax infection, that the hijackers were trying to rent crop dusters, that the anthrax spores were fresh and coated with materials typical of professional laboratories—such as the ones in Iraq—U.S. intelligence looks for domestic dissidents rather than for foreign enemies. What war? For what purpose?

On the Enemy Track

When Arab friends persuaded the Bush team not to fight America´s enemies in the Arab world but rather to restrain Israel from striking at its enemies (their friends), the Bush team turned from America´s war to the Arabs´ war.

By the turn of the century, America´s Arab friends, notably the Saudi royal family, were following their fears more than their friendships. Through the 1990s, Saddam Husayn´s Iraqi regime had become the leading force in the Arab world. By surviving the Kuwait war to thumb his nose at Washington and denouncing all manifestations of Arab collaboration with the United States, Saddam won the allegiance of the region´s most virulent elements. By adroit propaganda, money, and murder, he and the leaders of the other terror states identified Islam with anti-Westernism and with themselves. Moderate Arabs followed or died.

To derail the Bush team from America´s war to their own, the Arab terror regimes had to manufacture a war. The spring of 2002 saw a dramatic increase in the attacks by various Palestinian forces against Israel. This made Palestinians immeasurably worse off materially and subjected them to constant danger of execution as collaborators. Saddam´s regime and the Saudi royal family as well supplied the money for the family endowments that effectively purchased the war´s principal weapon, suicide bombers. Having helped organize the carnage, the Saudis demanded that Bush stop it by making concessions to them.

Bush, the Saudis insisted, must support the creation of a Palestinian state and interpose at least some American bodies between Israel and the Palestinians. In exchange, the Saudis would try to cool the Palestinians and continue their support of the "war" (as amended). Nevertheless, they would continue to please the terror states insofar as might be necessary to ensure their own stability. And wasn´t that stability the Bush team´s priority?

By April 2002, Bush had agreed.

Did the Bush team know or care that all this amounted not to avenging September 11, but to pretending to fight terrorists while giving in to the demands of those who harbor and pay them? Certainly they know—just not enough to change longstanding foreign policy priorities, intellectual habits, as well as the personnel of U.S. intelligence and diplomacy.

Three Monkeys Intelligence

"See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil," describes U.S. intelligence in the war on terrorism. As in so many other matters, U.S. intelligence searches only in the lighted corners of dark rooms and reflects the priorities of Washington more than it reflects reality.

Nearly a year after September 11, U.S. intelligence still has no idea who most of the hijackers were, where the operation was organized, by whom, or who paid for it. Our professionals concluded that, except for one Usama bin Ladin, the identity of America´s enemies is a mystery. Still, they are sure that our enemies are amateurs, unconnected with professional intelligence services. Nonsense.

Start with the Saudi hijackers. The photos and names released by the U.S. government match flight manifests with visa files from U.S. consulates. But the only pictures of the hijackers from security cameras are of persons other than the ones pictured and named. Indisputably, the hijackers used stolen identities. That is a mark of a major league intelligence service. (The Saudi government prevented independent investigation of who the hijackers really were.)

The hijacking itself bore marks of professionalism: the hijackers used sophisticated chemical sprays and methods of rapid entry into the cockpits, they had mastered navigation beyond what had been taught them in their U.S. flight schools, and they had turned off the planes´ transponders—which also had not been taught them in the flight schools.

Then there is the $100,000 that financed the U.S. part of the mission. Muhammad Atta, an Egyptian, got it immediately after a meeting in June 2000 in Prague with Ahmad al-Ani, an Iraqi intelligence officer who specialized in handling terrorists. The account from which the money came had been professionally scrubbed of the owner´s identity. On April 9, 2001, Atta made a 72-hour trip to see Ani again. Two weeks later, the trained soldiers in the hijacking left Saudi Arabia for America.

From all this, a reasonable person—also knowing that Iraq has a facility where terrorists train to take over Boeing aircraft—might conclude that September 11 had been organized by Iraq, with connections in Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

But, the CIA only paid attention to trails that the hijack operation had chosen not to cover. On September 9, Atta wired $15,000 back to a different account. This one had a name on it—an associate of Usama bin Ladin. Usama had done it! And Atta had left his flight manual in a car he had rented in his own name. He only knew what he learned in flight school! See? An amateur operation planned in one of those fabulous Afghan caves.

Note that the CIA gets almost none of its information on terrorism from its own human sources. Much of its terrorist "humint" comes directly or indirectly from the liaison services of friendly Arab governments. The CIA accepts them because of the poverty of its own sources and because what they say pleases U.S. officials. Not surprisingly, the agency´s concept of a vast network of Muslim terrorists unconnected with Arab governments comes substantially from Arab governments. Its other major source of "humint," the interrogation of prisoners, is even more flawed. U.S. intelligence officials told The New York Times they were training interrogators for prisoners at Guantanamo Bay to lie a lot, that they were happy getting lots of facts that "checked out," although many prisoners´ stories turned out to be misleading.[7] Competent people know that true facts can be even more misleading than false assertions and that the sine qua non of successful interrogation hinges on truly knowing more than the person being interviewed. This is not the case with the CIA.

This is not the place to restate the CIA´s record of failure and bad faith with regard to the Iraqi opposition, or its longstanding commitment to the fortunes of the PLO-PA. Rather, all this leads one to ask what service it can render in the war on terrorism.

In May 2002, the CIA ran a covert action—in Washington. One of its official sources convinced Newsweek and The Washington Post that there was no solid evidence that Muhammad Atta had ever met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague.[8] But the interior minister of the Czech Republic immediately reconfirmed the fact of the meeting, and the Czech envoy to the United Nations did so again a month later.[9] The CIA had briefly supported the Bush policy of taking no military action against Iraq.[10]

In short, the CIA helps enable the Bush team´s strategy.

If Wishes Were Strategy

The Bush team, at least some parts thereof, knows much and wishes well. Vice President Dick Cheney declared, "wars are not won on the defensive. We must battle the enemy wherever necessary to prevent greater stress to our country."[11] The statements by President Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to the effect that Iraq´s development of weapons of mass destruction poses an unacceptable threat to America and that somehow Saddam must go are too numerous to list. President Bush finally said that the Palestinian people deserve new leadership. But there is no evidence that the Bush team knows how to translate such wishes into strategy, much less into facts.The facts of the war on terrorism are as outlined above: in practice, the Bush team is fighting a war to salvage the visions, assumptions, and ways of current elites, not to mention their reputations. Abroad, the "war on terrorism" is of a piece with the Gulf war, the Vietnam war, and the Korean war: America kills lots of people whose deaths do not bring victory. This makes us hated. And America leaves enemy regimes standing. This makes us contemptible. At home, the "war" consists of a fateful combination of bellicose rhetoric and impotent, silly security measures. Thus even more than previous wars, the "war on terrorism" wastes the good will of the American people—the most precious thing of all. The ends of war cannot be achieved by the means of phony war.

Success fuels hope of victory, which fuels effort. By mid-2002, the Saudi government´s diplomatic overtures to Tehran and above all to Baghdad, as well as its assumption of the role as their advocate to the West, meant its recognition that it was living at its enemies´ sufferance. Any number of people in the region, including members of the royal family, surely saw in this the chance of their lives. When someone seizes that chance, the House of Saud will first split and then fall. That in turn will convince more people in the region to try for power and glory. That is what real wars are made of. As stability—the Bush team´s premise and objective—disappears, the Bush team will have to confront the choice that it worked so hard to shun: between paying the price of victory and that of defeat. And it will have to do it from a well-earned position of disadvantage.

Governments bend to those they fear and bite those they hold in contempt. The Bush team´s conduct of the war made the Arab world less afraid of America. How could that be, given all the bombs the United States dropped on Afghanistan? Simple. The Arab world knew that Washington could drop those bombs. It wondered, would the United States drop them to alter the balance of power among us?

By dropping them on Afghanistan, Washington answered, no. Their estimate of the United States´s capacity to protect them from threats foreign and domestic also dropped.

America became fully contemptible when the Bush team recoiled from the Arab world´s brandishing of the ultimate terror weapon, suicide bombing. Count on it: the next stage of the war will feature suicide bombings on American streets.


Angelo M. Codevilla is professor of international relations at Boston University, a former naval officer, foreign service officer, and staff member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Among his books is Informing Statecraft: Intelligence for A New Century (1992). This commentary expands upon an essay in the Claremont Review of Books (Summer 2002).

[1] Charles de Gaulle, Memoires de guerre, Vol. I (Paris: Plon, 1954).

[2] Miles Copeland, The Game of Nations: The Amorality of Power Politics (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1970).

[3] Bush´s address to the nation, Sept. 11, 2001, at

[4] Bush´s address to the nation, Nov. 10, 2001, at

[5] Jeffrey Goldberg, "The Great Terror," The New Yorker, Mar. 25, 2002.

[6] FBI director Robert Mueller, answer to questions by the Senate Judiciary Committee, June 6, 2002, view at

[7] The New York Times, May 15, 2002.

[8] Michael Isikoff, "The Phantom Link to Iraq," Newsweek, May 6, 2002; Walter Pincus, "No Link between Hijacker, Iraq Found, U.S. Says," The Washington Post, May 1, 2002.

[9] Stanislav Gross, Czech minister of the interior, quoted by James Pitkin, "Czechs: Hijacker Met with Iraqi Spy," Prague Post, May 8, 2002; Hynek Kmonicek quoted by Edith M. Lederer, "Czech Official Insists Meeting with Terrorists Occurred," Associated Press, June 4, 2002. [10] William Safire, "Mr. Atta Goes to Prague," The New York Times, May 9, 2002.

[11] Cheney speech to Federalist Society, Nov. 15, 2001, at


This article originally appeared in the September 2002 Middle East Quarterly

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1 posted on 10/09/2002 3:41:57 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
This article would have a point if Bush had stopped after Afghanistan. But he didn't. Bush turned Israel loose to attack the P.A. and Hamas and is taking on Iraq himself. That changes all power equations in the arab world.
2 posted on 10/09/2002 3:52:11 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SJackson
Very interesting. And there is much truth in it. But I hope it's not the whole truth.

The Phony War of 1939 was a run-up to the real war. England wasn't yet quite ready to fight. In fact, when the real fighting started they were quickly driven off the Continent By Hitler's better-prepared forces. It took a long time to gather the forces necessary to land in Italy and Normandy.

I'm hoping that Bush is doing a head-fake here. I agree that the CIA under George Tenet lied and continues to lie about Atta's connection to Saddam. But I think that's Tenet, not Bush. Just as I think Tenet's latest letter to congress is meant to undermine Bush, not to do what he asks.

I hope and trust that Bush will go into Iraq, that he will press a regime change in Iran without invading that country, and that he will then move on Syria and in due course on Saudi Arabia. Nothing would be served in saying that the Saudis are our enemies until we choose the time. Here again, we don't know what will happen, but Bush has certainly maneuvered things so he can do this if he chooses. And it would not have been possible unless he had maneuvered the Dems and the talking heads into a corner very skillfully.

This article assumes that government is monolithic and that all directions come from the top. But presidents don't have that tight a control over everyone under them. When some idiot pretends that the shootings in the LA Airport were not terrorism, who is to say that Bush him to? Bureaucracy has its own weight, and there are plenty of idiots all through it.
3 posted on 10/09/2002 3:58:42 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: SJackson
Well, there's at least one Rightie even more critical of the Administration than I am.
4 posted on 10/09/2002 4:00:20 PM PDT by stndngathwrthistry
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To: Cicero
 When some idiot pretends that the shootings in the
LA Airport were not terrorism, who is to say
that Bush [told] him to?

You can delegate authority, but you can't
delegate responsibility.  That's why we
elect different people president.  Otherwise,
Clinton or Bush, it wouldn't matter.

5 posted on 10/09/2002 4:21:29 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: RJCogburn
Ping for analysis.
6 posted on 10/09/2002 4:23:06 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: SJackson
This is a blockbuster piece. It hits the nail on the head. The Bush Administration has not broken with the failed elites who brought this terrible situation upon us. It has been a phony war.

You can see the faulty logic still exists when Bush moves heaven and earth to prevent Israel from destroying its enemies, to curry favor with our so-called "Arab allies." These Arabs see Bush as a coward who is not willing to even allow a third party to kill Arabs, never mind the US doing the job itself. Unless his mindset and that of his administration changes, the US will not get the decisive victory that is absolutely required.
7 posted on 10/09/2002 4:23:52 PM PDT by LarryM
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To: carton253; TopQuark; dennisw; Cachelot; Alouette

One day I'll make a list and know who to ping

8 posted on 10/09/2002 4:26:53 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Cicero
"But I think that's Tenet, not Bush. Just as I think Tenet's latest letter to congress is meant to undermine Bush, not to do what he asks."

I agree. Which begs a question:

Why is Tenet still in charge at CIA?

The President is out on the hustings, selling the need for action in Iraq. At the same time, his Director of CIA is publicly disagreeing with him.

What purpose is being served here, letting Tenet foul the bedding in the Congresional and media nests? I presume, of course, that there is purpose...

9 posted on 10/09/2002 4:31:04 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Yehuda; 1bigdictator; knighthawk; a_Turk; College Repub; Catspaw; MeeknMing; Nix 2; VOA; ...
10 posted on 10/09/2002 4:37:15 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Cicero
The Phony War of 1939 was a run-up to the real war. England wasn't yet quite ready to fight.

Right now, LOTS of JDAMs are being put together in factories in Oklahoma and Missouri
(CBS Evening News, last week).

Dubya, Blair, and the 17 nations that seem to be aligned with us (Japan, etc.)
need time to build the war-chest, public consensus, and to see if maybe, just maybe,
some Iraqui will end Sadaam for us.

I suspect that up until sometime in January, the phony war will go on.
If Iraq is still run by Sadaam then...all heck will probably break loss before March.
11 posted on 10/09/2002 4:59:43 PM PDT by VOA
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12 posted on 10/09/2002 5:01:08 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: SJackson
the Bush team is fighting a war to salvage the visions, assumptions, and ways of current elites, not to mention their reputations.


How sweet it is to hear someone other than myself say it.

There's a culture of bland uselessness practiced by families coasting on repution and contacts who go into politics as a pretentious diversion.

I recently sent a 50 page analysis of a book to a friend. Part of that analysis deals with this issue. I can only get to part of it to post here. Parts of it will eventually published as an article elsewhere. be In it I tlak about the elite Republican's hotility and fear of Reagan prior to the 1980 presidential campaign:

" In callung the Soviets an evil empire Reagan committed an unforgivable offense against their (the effete elitists) shield of bland propriety. No, George Bush was their boy. He would protect and perpetuate their system of privileged bland incapacity. Reagan was a too-vigorous intruder. There is nothing of the mental acuity of the founding fathers in the Bushs, Rockerfellers, Gores, Bentsens, Harrimans, Kennedys, and so forth. Congenial blandness and etiquette are used to mask weakness and uselessness.

The controlling elitism envisioned by the founders was one of mind conceived as being earned and merited, not inherited. Anything which threatens to reestablish this conception is considered a rude and intolerable shock to the soft nervous systems of those classes coasting on inherited position.

The article written here is essentially right on the button.

13 posted on 10/09/2002 5:02:52 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Cicero
England wasn't yet quite ready to fight.

Besides JDAMs, I wonder if this "phony war" time interval is being used to put
together so many Hellfire-armed UAVs that they fill the skies like locusts.

It would be interesting to be around for the first time in history when the forces of a
sadistic dictator can't move for fear of taking a fatal missle attack...
and at the same time, don't even have a chance of shooting/killing the people launching
the attack.
14 posted on 10/09/2002 5:02:58 PM PDT by VOA
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To: gcruse
Thanks for the heads-up.

A really interesting piece which I need to think about for a while. It suggests we (the USofA) either need to get really tough or just forget the whole thing and butt out.

As with most things, having a clear principle and following it to where it leads is the best course.

15 posted on 10/09/2002 5:19:10 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: VOA; SJackson
Got to rid the government of the government, as far as I can see. There's too much governin' goin on out there and no one is governing the same way once, let alone twice in a row. Tenet should have gone the way of the Bubonic Plague long ago. Clinton should have his passport revoked.
This election scares the bejeepers out of me because I understand the Dems are going to have armies of lawyers at polling places where races are close...and especially in MO.
I don't know yet if it's already too late to keep our *freedom*. And I don't know who to lay the blame on. Them or us.
There shouldn't be an Islamic country that isn't cowering in fear at who will be next. Instead we get steady snowjobs from our own Congress and our campuses have become battlefields. There is nowhere left to hide. Even ostriches have come out of the sand.
16 posted on 10/09/2002 5:55:42 PM PDT by Nix 2
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To: RJCogburn
A really interesting piece which I need to think about for a while. It suggests we (the USofA) either need to get really tough or just forget the whole thing and butt out.

A bit off topic, something more to think about, from a rather good source, regarding the necessity of using overwhelming force against a weak enemy, or facing eventual demoralization or defeat.

Interview with Martin van Creveld

Broadcast: 20/3/2002
Interviewer: Jennifer Byrne

Professor Martin van Creveld, of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem is Israel's most prominent military historian. In this interview with Jennifer Byrne he claims that despite the recent increase in Israel's military operations, the huge Israeli defence forces will inevitably lose to the Palestinians.


Byrne: Thanks for joining us tonight on Foreign Correspondent. How has it come to this, Martin... how is it that the mighty Israeli army – one of the world’s most powerful - with its helicopter gunships, with its tanks, with it’s missiles, can be losing to this relatively small, relatively under-armed if fanatical group of Palestinians?

Van Creveld: The same thing has happened to the Israeli army as happened to all the rest that have tried over the last sixty years. Basically it’s always a question of the relationship of forces. If you are strong, and you are fighting the weak for any period of time, you are going to become weak yourself. If you behave like a coward then you are going to become cowardly – it’s only a question of time. The same happened to the British when they were here... the same happened to the French in Algeria... the same happened to the Americans in Vietnam... the same happened to the Soviets in Afghanistan... the same happened to so many people that I can’t even count them.

Byrne: : Martin you used the word ‘cowardly’ yet what we’ve seen tonight – these commando units, the anti-terrorist squads – these aren’t cowardly people.

Van Creveld: I agree with you. They are very brave people... they are idealists... they want to serve their country and they want to prove themselves. The problem is that you cannot prove yourself against someone who is much weaker than yourself. They are in a lose/lose situation. If you are strong and fighting the weak, then if you kill your opponent then you are a scoundrel... if you let him kill you, then you are an idiot. So here is a dilemma which others have suffered before us, and for which as far as I can see there is simply no escape. Now the Israeli army has not by any means been the worst of the lot. It has not done what for instance the Americans did in Vietnam... it did not use napalm, it did not kill millions of people. So everything is relative, but by definition, to return to what I said earlier, if you are strong and you are fighting the weak, then anything you do is criminal.

Byrne: : You are a military historian, but let’s face it the Prime Minister was a general... how could General Sharon – Prime Minister Sharon – be getting it so wrong, by your analysis?

Van Creveld: It’s not a question of personalities, it’s a question of the balance of forces. I’ll use a metaphor that I’ll take from Lao-tzu – the Chinese sage who lived about 2,400 years ago – ‘a sword put into salt water will rust’ – it is only a question of time. And this is happening to the Israeli army and to the Israeli society, almost regardless of who is leading it.

Byrne: : Are they losing, or have they lost, in your opinion?

Van Creveld: No they have not yet lost, but they are as far as I can see, well on the way to losing, which is why Israel over the last few weeks has been positively begging the Palestinians for a ceasefire. We have arrived at the point where, if you will, like Johnson in Vietnam, we are constantly asking the other side for a ceasefire, and the other side either will or will not respond as it pleases him – the reason being of course that they have so much less to lose.

Byrne: : The reason being also, in a sense, that it’s what isn’t about, isn’t it? A ceasefire would provide security for the Israelis, which is what they want, but it would not provide statehood for the Palestinians, which is what they want.

Van Creveld: Exactly. The other side will definitely not have a ceasefire without some considerable political achievement. If I were Arafat and the Palestinians, I would not put an end to this intafada, because the way I see it, from the first day of the first intafada they have been winning.

Byrne: : What options does the Israeli army have, do you think?

Van Creveld: Nothing will work.

Byrne: : Nothing at all? Do you think there’s no change of strategy?

Van Creveld: No. There is one thing that can be done – and that is to put and end to the situation whereby we are the strong fighting the weak, because that is the most stupid situation in which anybody can be.

Byrne: : And how do you do that?

Van Creveld: Exactly. How do you do that. You do that by A, waiting for a suitable opportunity... B, doing whatever it takes to restore the balance of power between us and the Palestinians... C, removing 90% of the causes of the conflict, by pulling out... and D, building a wall between us and the other side, so tall that even the birds cannot fly over it.... so as to avoid any kind of friction for a long long time in the future.

Byrne: : Well, that’s a tall list. Let’s start with the last one – the wall... I mean, when I was there last month people were talking about a wall but you’re seriously saying this is an option, to build a gigantic wall.... what.... on the old green line, basically – there’s Gaza – there’s the West Bank – and there’s Israel proper, and they shall never be combined?

Van Creveld: “Never” is too much of a word. Nothing lasts forever. But history proves that walls work. The Roman wall – the Limus(?) – worked for hundreds of years... the Great Chinese Wall worked, not forever, but for hundreds of years... the wall in Korea has been working for fity years... the wall between Turks and Greeks in Cyprus is working.... the Berlin Wall worked beautifully.... Unfortunately, the Israeli army insists against all military logic on being present on both sides of the wall. We could formally finish the problem at least in Gaza, in 48 hours, by getting out and building a proper wall. And then of course, if anybody tries to climb over the wall we kill him.

Byrne: : What about the many thousands of extremely belligerent Israeli settlers that would be on the wrong side of the wall?

Van Creveld: If it were up to me, I would tell those people – and you’re quite right, many of them are quite belligerent – look, ladies and gentlemen, you have been magnificent, you have served us well, you have protected us all those years, but this is coming to an end. If you choose to stay, it’s your problem – you are on your own. My guess is that 95% of them will come home.

Byrne: J: What about another scenario, which has been much discussed in recent months – which is one of full military solution? Basically, the Israeli army just goes in... it doesn’t build a wall – it basically blows up the Palestinian home... razes the camps... stops, as it might say, pussyfooting around, and it’s “curtains”?

Van Creveld: Look... a home that has been demolished offers even better shelter than a home that stands intact. The Americans in Vietnam tried it. They killed between two-and-a-half and three million Vietnamese. I don’t see that it helped them much.

Byrne: : Martin, just personally... can you bear the thought of living in Jerusalem behind a wall – as the only way to be safe?

Van Creveld: Quite to the contrary – I came to live in Jerusalem in 1964... three years before the 1967 war. There actually was a wall, and life was wonderful. Nothing ever happened. Jerusalem was the quietest, safest place on earth. More than that, between 1957 and 1967 the number of Israelis who lost their lives as a result of enemy action was just thirty-five. Now we pray for a week in which we shall not lose thirty-five people.

Byrne: : Martin van Creveld, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thank you.

Van Creveld: Thank you. Bye.

17 posted on 10/09/2002 6:27:08 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Oops, forgot another link.

Clausewitz vs. The Scholar: Martin Van Creveld's Expanded Theory Of War

18 posted on 10/09/2002 6:36:39 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
You know he's wrong. The land the *Palestinians* claim for themselves is Israel. It has never BEEN Palestinian and it never should be. All of those people have countries to which they already have citizenship. They should go home and leave our home.
Martin Van Creveld has fallen into the propaganda trap. It would be like having a home invaded by strangers who refused to leave. So what do you do then? Do you just leave your home because they WANT it, even though YOU built it?
The answer is NO.
Arafat is an Egyptian. Let him go bother Hosni with his homicide bombers and see how long the *Palestinians* last.
19 posted on 10/09/2002 8:50:06 PM PDT by Nix 2
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To: Nix 2
You know he's wrong. The land the *Palestinians* claim for themselves is Israel. It has never BEEN Palestinian and it never should be. All of those people have countries to which they already have citizenship. They should go home and leave our home.

Yes and no. My impression from other occasional articles of his is that he's decided that Israel, whether out of a sense of "morality", or an impotence born of her overwhelming military superiority, will not destroy the enemy on the ground, redraw the lines, and relocate the population (Sinai would have made a nice home). Since 73, he's right. I hope things change.

20 posted on 10/09/2002 9:08:10 PM PDT by SJackson
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