'Most muggers are black'

The Evening Standard (London) ^ | 11 October 2002 | Tim Rider

[UKCajun]

The deputy head of the Metropolitan Police has launched an attack on political correctness, saying that society cannot ignore the evidence that most muggers are black.

...Mr Blair pointed to the American example set by the Reverend Jesse Jackson, the former US presidential candidate. "We need a Jesse Jackson," he said.

[Blood of Tyrants]

I don't know. Blacks all over the world have a much higher illegitimacy rate than other groups.

[blam]

"FYI, almost half of all violent crimes are committed by blacks. And most of their victims are other blacks."

Well, at this point you're suppose to ask where are the police and blame them for the problem, then, when they do begin to correct the problem, scream that they are racial profiling and begin a riot. Repeat process every two-three years for maximum effect.

[sheik yerbouty]

Don't forget Calypso Louie!

[rdb3]

Is it possible that Mr. Blair was referring to the fact that Jesse Jackson once stated that more whites are murdered and raped in just one year by blacks than all the blacks lynched by whites in the last 100 years? During this same comment, he also made the point that more blacks murder and abuse each other in one year, than all the blacks murdered and physically abused by whites in the last 100 years.

It's possible. I remember Jesse "I'm sorry Mrs." Jackson also saying that if he heard footsteps behind him on the street at night, he hoped that those footsteps belonged to whites as opposed to blacks. Don't expect that kind of honesty out of him again. Remember, he was once pro-life.

There is no dening the truth that blacks do commit a disproportionate number of crimes, whether they be against whites or against blacks. But there is not protest, no outcry, only silence. Nobody even protests the explicitly racist black campaigns to end black-on-black crime, as if the massive brutality of black-on-white crime didn't matter.

Let me pull your coat on something. There is indeed an outcry against the crime that takes place within inner-cities. The reason why you won't hear about it is because it hinders the Left's role in portraying all American blacks as victims of whites. Believe me, no one in the 'hood enjoys living in fear from those criminal hoodlums who roam about.

Whites are thaught a collective guilt for slavery, even though less than 5% of Americans were slaveholders. Yet there is no collective guilt or blame ascribed to the black race for millions of white crime victims.

And there shouldn't be. Just like there shouldn't be a collective sense of guilt with whites about slavery. If your forefathers held no slaves, how can I hold you responsible for slavery? If I'm not a criminal, why should I be held responsible for the crimes of other blacks? Nevertheless, I personally don't hold whites responsible for slavery. My angst is held for the main perpetrators of that trade: Arab Muslims. They got that ball rolling.

The days of lynching are long gone, but black crimes against white people continue to increase. It's about time whites put an end to their collective sense of guilt for slavery.

I totally agree, and I wish we could work together to get rid of it. The scourge of crime has an affect on all of us. I make no excuses for criminals no matter what the hue of their skin may be.

[Godel]

Most birds have wings.

[republicman]

--It opens the door to that false argument (that crime is genetic), but at least you are asking a question. Some here state it as a fact.---

Without a good argument supporting it I would not accept it as true. HOWEVER, without a good argument against it I will not accept it as false.

[PhilipFreneau]

I grew up in a poor neighborhood, and the only "crime" I recall was an occasional fist fight, and corporal punishment by parents and teachers. Of course, fist fights and corporal punishment were not considered crimes in those days. Conservatism ruled, not left-wing extremism.

[rdb3]

Without a good argument supporting it I would not accept it as true. HOWEVER, without a good argument against it I will not accept it as false.

That's fair enough, even though culture is fluid and not genetic.

For example, check out the crime stats in the American black demographic before the explosion of the welfare state. That's eye-opening. The black family was nearly 100% intact before the '60s. The difference between now and then is unbelieveable.

[republicman]

I know it may be hard, but such arguments should not be taken so personally.

For example, the evidence is fairly clear that males are genetically predisposed to criminality moreso than females.

But Whatever predisposition may exist, I am a male. But I am still not a criminal.

You see what I mean?

[Nat Turner]

Criminals cause poverty since decent folk dont like to live around thieves, murderers, whores and junkies

[republicman]

BTW Yes I do like the cultural argument much better. For instance the crime rate in Russia where there are almost no blacks is multiples of the US.

And the crime rate in England is higher than the US, but unless I am mistaken there are more blacks per capita in the US than in England.

And you are quite correct that black families were more intact pre 1960s. Therefore the rise of Broken families cannot be construed as anything but cultural.

[biblewonk]

hmmmmmm

[rdb3]

I know it may be hard, but such arguments should not be taken so personally.

That cuts both ways. For example, someone who holds this view of blacks affects me personally simply due to my skin color. Now, using this logic, would one know right off the bat that I'm a husband, father, church deacon, and business owner, or, would they see "thug" because I have a FUBU jersey on with cornrows?

So, how is that fair to view me in such a manner that contradicts what I actually am? If you are not a racist, is it fair to me to view you as one with no supporting evidence just because you are white?

I don't think so.

[RaceBannon]

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a382217b6642b.htm

[Tired of Taxes]

An interesting question, but there really isn't much of a "genetic" difference. "Race" is a social construct: http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/word/balko2.html

Also, blaming crime on genetics only relieves the criminal of personal responsibility. (I know that's not what you were trying to do, but I do believe it leads us down that path).

[republicman]

I don't know, its just not possible to be fair in these instances.

If I am driving through an area and a black man comes near my car I would probably be more likely to lock the door than I would a white guy. But also I would be more likely to lock my door if its a white guy with long hair and tattoos than a black guy in a business suit.

And if I were a black guy going on a job interview and I had the choice between an interviewer who was black and one who is white, I would pick the black interviewer.

We all profile. Its not fair, but it makes sense.

As I said I am male, if a woman crosses the street to go to the other side where a woman is walking because she knows men are genetically more likely to harm others, I understand. I am not a criminal, and its not fair, but nonetheless, it makes sense.

[republicman]

---An interesting question, but there really isn't much of a "genetic" difference. "Race" is a social construct:---

Somewhat true, but take a look at the NFL, the NBA they are 70 to 90% black in a country that is 12.5% black. It's pretty clear that genetic differences, no matter how socially constructed they may be, are playing a role in who is qualified to be a basketball or a football player.

And could genes not also play a role in behaviors such as criminal predisposition? Again its not an argument I am advocating, just putting out there.

--Also, blaming crime on genetics only relieves the criminal of personal responsibility. (I know that's not what you were trying to do, but I do believe it leads us down that path)--.

True. However just because there is a genetic predisposition to alcoholism doesn't mean that we should excuse the drunk. No matter how predisposed one is there is still always free will.

[SauronOfMordor]

And I also wouldn't doubt that most serial killers are white.

Depends on your definition of serial killer. I'm sure that there are more inner-city types who've done more than their share of killing people who "looked at them funny"

Then again, a defining characteristic of the serial killer is that he's intelligent enough to plan his killings in such a way as to not get caught. This leaves out many of the gangstas

[Phillip Augustus]

When I see, at the next Olympics, a bunch of Japanese winning the 40 yard dash, instead of Kenyans, then I'll believe the balderdash about race being a "social construct".

[Stone Mountain]

blacks commit violent crimes 50 times more than other races (when adjusted for proportion to population).

This isn't true at all. The statistic said that black on white crime was 50 times more likely than white on black crime. Even if this is true, it doesn't support your statement that blacks commit crimes 50 times more than other races. Not even close.