Evidence Disproving Evolution

myself | 10/11/02 | gore3000

[AntiGuv]

wouldn't there be millions upon millions of intermediate fossil forms?

Obviously not. I recommend picking up a good geology text.

[Dimensio]

How are fossils in any way confusing? If trillions of animals lived and died, slowly evolving over billions of years, wouldn't there be millions upon millions of intermediate fossil forms?

Given how specific the circumstances required for fossilization, no.

[Nateman]

Take a poll of FR......no doubt most do not believe evolution.

That's their problem, not mine. Clinton got elected. Twice. Do you still think popular selection is a good way of arriving at the truth?

[Dimensio]

I am defaming Darwin because I dared to quote what he said!

More accurately, you are defaming Darwin because you dared to quote part of what he said, but not the entirety of his work to give it the full context. Of course, your claim regarding Darwin has been shot down before, but you don't seem to care about little things like reality.

[montanus]

I also managed to insert two others: the meteorological model and the geological model. I wanted to see who may or may not pick up on this. ;-)

Fair enough.

However, if the sun did indeed rise in the west tomorrow, then I would have to modify my understanding of the universe post haste. The difference between myself and a creation scientist is that I'm capable of such conceptual modifications as required to conform with observable phenomena.

Except that the theory of evolution isn't built on observable phenomenon. Remember, your previous argument was that just because something has never been observed to have happend doesn't mean that it can't.

[gore3000]

Decisions, decisions, in which should I place my belief, the scientific method,

If you bother to read the above, you will see that evolution is not scientific. If you bother to read the supporting evidence, you will see it even more clearly.

In fact, there is no way that evolution can be considered science. Science is about what is predictable, about what is verifiable, about what is repeatable. A theory which at the outset claims that transformations of species into other species 'happen' at random cannot be science because randomness is not subject to scientific inquiry, does not lead to any new insights and does not produce any applicability to anything useful. This is the reason why evolution has always been so barren in its results.

[ApesForEvolution]

Well, we'll have an eternity to contemplate it. Where will you spend your eternity? You worship your god on a stick if you want, but don't let your peg-leg deceive you...

[AntiGuv]

Even the slightest level of education is preferable to a demonstration of profound ignorance. That notwithstanding, I actually did not receive any formal schooling in the evolutionary model since it was not part of my curriculum.

[Eaker]

This means the fossils discovered are what? Products of the Flood.

Okay, you got me here. I guess the bunnies created the oil? You skipped past this point. Do you understand anything about physics or biology or even frying eggs??

Anything at all??

If you would spend a little time and perform a little bit of real research you would be ashamed of yourself.

Stay safe; stay armed.

[AntiGuv]

Well, we'll have an eternity to contemplate it. Where will you spend your eternity? You worship your god on a stick if you want, but don't let your peg-leg deceive you...

What on Earth are you babbling about??

[montanus]

How are fossils in any way confusing? If trillions of animals lived and died, slowly evolving over billions of years, wouldn't there be millions upon millions of intermediate fossil forms?

Given how specific the circumstances required for fossilization, no.

Oh, I see. Those circumstances only come to pass when no evolution happens to be occuring.

[Dimensio]

Er, it's simple. God put the oil there, just like everything else.

When you appeal to divine intervention, you can explain anything. Of course, you end up leaving the realm of science...

[AntiGuv]

Remember, your previous argument was that just because something has never been observed to have happend doesn't mean that it can't. I was not referring to evolution/natural selection in that instance, but rather to abiogenesis.

[ApesForEvolution]

So, you actually had to search for profound deception. Well done...

[AndrewC]

The only evidence you display is that morons like you are capable of evolving backwards into their own slime.

Thirteen minutes for you to read all those links and come up with that for analysis. You must be a Darwininian.

[Dimensio]

Those circumstances only come to pass when no evolution happens to be occuring.

No. Did you deliberately misrepresent my point or are you that devoid of common sense?

Fossilization does not happen with every life form. It only happens in specific circumstances, so it can only occur if a creature died with specific environmental circumstances present. That's why we do not have 'millions upon millions of intermediate fossil forms', it has nothing to do with evolution happening or not happening. Evolution happens all the time, because every life form is an imperfect replicator.

[Hunble]

As a Witch, I have absolutly no problems with the concept of waving my magic wand and making things happen.

Cool, even Gore2000 is supporting my beliefs about magic.

[montanus]

I guess the bunnies created the oil? You skipped past this point.

Because I felt it was the weaker of the two arguments. But the answer is the same. Would not tons of vegetation being buried under mud and rocks produce oil? Of course, my argument assumes that it doesn't take millions of years to form oil.

[Dimensio]

I was not referring to evolution/natural selection in that instance, but rather to abiogenesis.

Keep in mind that abiogenesis is part of evolution. I know that anyone who actually has studied evolution and understands the theory will tell you that abiogenesis is a seperate matter, but gore3000 has declared that evolution depends on abiogenesis and he must be right, since he sees fit to ignore any evidence to the contrary.

[gore3000]

"This technique for the conversion of possibilities into probabilities and liabilities into assets was the more effective the longer the process went on.

My favorite quote from the renowned charlatan showing the above is his treatment of the eye:

He who will go thus far, if he find on finishing this treatise that large bodies of facts, otherwise inexplicable, can be explained by the theory of descent, ought not to hesitate to go further, and to admit that a structure even as perfect as the eye of an eagle might be formed by natural selection, although in this case he does not know any of the transitional grades. His reason ought to conquer his imagination; though I have felt the difficulty far too keenly to be surprised at any degree of hesitation in extending the principle of natural selection to such startling lengths.
From: Origin of the Species, Chapter 6

He is blatantly telling his readers that if they have put up with his drivel for hundreds of odd pages this nonsense should be no problem!