Evidence Disproving Evolution

myself | 10/11/02 | gore3000

[montanus]

Remember, your previous argument was that just because something has never been observed to have happend doesn't mean that it can't.

I was not referring to evolution/natural selection in that instance, but rather to abiogenesis.

Ah, so we switched topics between responses without indictating it?

Even so, it doesn't matter: Macroevolution has never been scientifically observed either, and Creationist do not deny natural selection. (Well, I guess some will have a knee jerk reaction and deny any and all parts of the evolutionary argument- but it's not necessary to do so to argue for Creationism.)

[Boomer Geezer]

Wow, thanks for the effort. Lucky I'm on vacation this coming week :)

... but that red-on-red ... woah! LOL

[gore3000]

Gore2000 is my best example of false science.

If the article above is false science how come neither you nor your fellow evolutionists can refute it on scientific grounds and must resort to insults?

[montanus]

Fossilization does not happen with every life form. It only happens in specific circumstances, so it can only occur if a creature died with specific environmental circumstances present. That's why we do not have 'millions upon millions of intermediate fossil forms', it has nothing to do with evolution happening or not happening. Evolution happens all the time, because every life form is an imperfect replicator.

Yes, the argument that inferior life forms would rapidly die out greatly reduces the amount of fossils of those life forms that would be produced.

However, we are still dealing with billions of years and trillions of animals. There should still be millions of fossils with an intermediary form.

[Nateman]

My favorite quote from the renowned charlatan showing the above is his treatment of the eye.

Your favorite out of context quote I might add. Here is the rest of it.

[elbucko]

Maybe you could cite some of God's machinations about His use of evolution?

OK, I'll bite.

The gestation and birth of a foal (baby horse). The foal during its gestation from the fertilized egg is protected from infection by the placental barrier. As the mare (that's a mother horse) is exposed by her environment to various organisms, she creates appropriate antibodies to the infectious agents. The foal, however, is not exposed to these infections or anti-bodies as this might interfere with the correct genetic instructions to insure the foal does not develop deformed.

When the foal is born, it has no immunity. It's first suckle from its mare, called collustrum has all the antibodies the mare has evolved during gestation. The colts (male) of filly's (female) first drink is its vaccination.

During the birthing of horses, I am always aware of the wonder of this beautiful design for the foal to grow in a secure environment while the mare manufactures the vaccines appropriate to the environment the foal will be exposed to once born. It is a miracle to me, as many times as I have seen it. I know it is science, but I feel the presence of God in the stable when a foal is born and receives its first blessing from the miracle of collustrum.

[AntiGuv]

Ah, so we switched topics between responses without indictating it?

I did not switch topics without indicating it. The fact that I explicitly stated abiogenesis immediately prior to making that statement should've implied that the immediately following statement referred back to its antecedent.

[Hunble]

If the article above is false science how come neither you nor your fellow evolutionists can refute it on scientific grounds and must resort to insults? Kind Sir, no insults were implied or intended.

However, a rapid statement that your examples are an outstanding example of false science was appropriate.

I am absolutly sure, that in a day or so, each and every false point that you made will be countered with facts.

But once again, I am am Witch, and absolutly believe in magic. So why am I complaining, when Gore3000 is supporting my religious beliefs?

[ApesForEvolution]

So, was this an "evolutionary" process or did horses always pass immunity on in this manner?

[Eaker]

Would not tons of vegetation being buried under mud and rocks produce oil?

No, not even over millions of years, certainly not a few thousand. Further, you have figured out how to make oil out of lettuce? More BS.

Of course, my argument assumes that it doesn't take millions of years to form oil.

If I bring you a cabbage would you turn it in to oil for me? I need it tomorrow as my Maxima is about a half quart low.

I feel as if I am discussing ceiling fans with my dog. He doesn't understand either. Why didn't God make him smarter?? Why don't deer shoot back?? Why do fish still bite crank baits??

It is because they evolved into either tools or food.

Stay safe; stay armed.

[Hunble]

However, a rapid statement that your examples are an outstanding example of false science was appropriate.

Groan!

However, I made a rapid statement in reply to your example. This is an outstanding example of false science, and my reply was very appropriate.

One of these days, I will actually check my messages before posting them.

[Lower55]

Average human height is the same as it was 200 years ago.

Human life expectancy hasn't changed in the last 200 years either.

[gore3000]

The so-called "theory of evolution" is actually a complex interaction of several theories,

A theory makes definite statements. A 'moving target' which is what you claim evolution is is neither a theory nor science, it is an ideology.

Today, paleontologists are trying to piece together and describe the nature of the puzzle when they only have a few dozens of pieces.

Evolutionists have been giving this excuse for 150 years. Seems to me it is time they stop claiming that sometime in the future....

Furthermore, even with fossils there is ample evidence against evolution. It is called the Cambrian explosion. There is also the missing evidence - that in all important places, the fossil evidence is missing. That is why Gould and Eldredge had to formulate the nonsensical theory of punctuated equilibrium.

The new data allows the modification and re-casting of the hypothesis for re-testing.

The above seems a pretty big concession by you to what I am saying - that evolution keeps being disproved. Indeed it does keep getting disproved. If a theory is so bad at showing the way for scientific inquiry why should we hold on to it? Why should we call it science? Because you like it? Sorry, that's not a scientific reason. Further, when theories are disproven they are thrown in the garbage heap of history. Evolution has been disproven. Time to bury it.

[Hunble]

Gore3000:

Are you, tonight, stating as a fact that evolution is false?

Yes or No.....

[montanus]

Would not tons of vegetation being buried under mud and rocks produce oil?

No, not even over millions of years, certainly not a few thousand. Further, you have figured out how to make oil out of lettuce? More BS.

Tell me then, where does oil come from? If you say decaying vegetation, then to be consistent, your own answer is also BS.

If I bring you a cabbage would you turn it in to oil for me? I need it tomorrow as my Maxima is about a half quart low.

You're beating a straw man. I never said that I could make oil out of cabbage by tomorrow. I only implied that the decay of plant material into oil need not take millions of years.

[Eaker]

Average human height is the same as it was 200 years ago.

No it is not!!

Human life expectancy hasn't changed in the last 200 years either.

More Bravo Sierra!!!

I will not do your homework for you!!! Research the crap you posted above and then support it.

I'll give you a small hint...the average soldier in the War of Northern Aggression was 5'-8" and 145 pounds. Go to out into the real world and see if this is still the norm.

Stay safe; stay armed.

[gore3000]

Here is where you will find the substance.

In TalkOrigins? You are not serious are you? That place is the craddle of evolutionist half-truths and plain lies. It is just a long series of personal pages by people with an axe to grind. Most of the links I give you are to published articles by people who have qualifications and who unlike most of the writeres on your site - stake their reputations on what they say.

[AntiGuv]

The above seems a pretty big concession by you to what I am saying - that evolution keeps being disproved.

By your flimsy standard, Newtonian physics were also disproved, and now we have quantum mechanics. Despite that fact, we have retained those elements of Newtonian physics to the extent and in the cases where they apply. Moreover, we never would've had quantum mechanics had we not first had thermodynamics, universal gravitation, and differential calculus.

[Hunble]

Answer my question please Gore3000:

As a Witch, I believe very strongly in magic.

Yes or No, is Evolution absolutly false and my belief in magic correct?

[elbucko]

So, was this an "evolutionary" process or did horses always pass immunity on in this manner?

I don't know because the equines that never developed this ability to evolve adaptability to local infectious agents did not survive when they were exposed to new infectious agents, bacteria or virus. When they died the scavengers ate the carcass.

The argument many creationists advance is the rhetorical question of where are the "extinct" inferior species. That's just it. they're gone.