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(2002) Media Ignore Kansas Interracial Mass Murder
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 10/14/02 | Jim Burns

Posted on 10/14/2002 4:01:10 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: alfa6
Precisely.

Hate crime = Thought crime

21 posted on 10/14/2002 4:54:15 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: Skooz
Hate crime = Thought crime

Doubleplus ungood.
22 posted on 10/14/2002 4:56:52 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan
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To: kattracks
Only White Americans, Notice that's not hypenated!!! can be charged with a hate crime. All other Americans that are Hypenated cannot be charged with a hate crime.... It's an equality thing.... Huh?
23 posted on 10/14/2002 5:18:09 AM PDT by .45MAN
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
Substitute stupidity for hate and you have a source for nost crime. The power to reason is a precious gift that is neglected in our schools, government, and public at large. Too many hours spent watching drivel on TV, video games, etc. are taking a terrible toll on the ability to reason and make sensible decisions.
24 posted on 10/14/2002 5:26:06 AM PDT by meenie
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To: KS Flyover
Beware.....The rule of <<<< Unintended Consequences >>>>>

If we're not careful, the twisted lefties will spin what little they let the national media cover to the great unwashed, as a reason for more Hate Crime legislation, to be used on us! The thought police have begun to whip up a scenario imbedded deep in what little coverage is being linked out. Soon the only thing you will read is the forces of evil calling for stiff and foolproof  laws protecting society from haters of perversion and rights of the truly kindhearted to fondle or murder our children.

Why not use this blatant example of selective enforcement as a prime example to abolish this creepy law everywhere else and look for the numerous places were the same injustice is being perpetrated!

25 posted on 10/14/2002 5:35:13 AM PDT by carlo3b
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To: Skooz
I'm not going to argue with you on the Shepard case, or try and guess how the national media choose their sensational stories. But it seems to me that complaining about the coverage, or lack of it, on this story means that we are trying to be as bad as they are.

Five people are dead. But for the grace of God it would be six. The people who did this are on trial. When convicted, and I have no doubt that then will be, and when sentenced to death, and again I have no doubt that they will be, they will be taken to the correctional facility at El Dorado and held there through their endless appeals before being bussed over to Lansing and executed. I don't care if the victims were white and the killers were black, or vice versa. The killers are going to pay and all the media attention in the world will not change that, or speed it up.

26 posted on 10/14/2002 5:51:45 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: dennisw
Of course.

But, you must remember that Blacks attacking and killing Whites is not "hateful" in the eyes of the media. It's just something to be expected.

Won't be long before Rev. Jesse, Chocran, Rev. Sharpton will be out druming sympathy for the two brothers.

27 posted on 10/14/2002 6:02:14 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
Interesting observation.

In order to have a "hate crime" the perp MUST be capable of human reasoning. These two mutants are not capable of human emotions - thus, no hate crime.

They are like the hyenas in Africa - prey on the weak and unexpecting. How many tens of thousands more roam our streets looking for an easy kill?

28 posted on 10/14/2002 6:07:46 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: dennisw
Tolerance (I hate that word), hate crimes, etc. go only ONE WAY. It doesn't surprize me in the least that no one is talking about this in the media.
29 posted on 10/14/2002 6:16:54 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: kattracks
Reginald & Jonathan Carr


30 posted on 10/14/2002 6:25:02 AM PDT by NWO Slave
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To: Dante3
Get this -- now they are reporting it's a "nazi" thing -- ya just gotta love the gall of the media. I predicted this exact thing with this crime -- Overall, a media whitewash/blackout on what's *really* going on in this country only serves to fuel suspicion and distrust and gives extremists one hell of a big grain of truth.

By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press

WICHITA, Kan. (October 13, 2002 1:46 p.m. EDT) - The grim details of how two brothers allegedly committed a nine-day crime rampage that left five people dead are being closely monitored by a community that is still shaken nearly two years after the slayings and more than a month into the brothers' murder trial.

The apparently random abduction of five friends from a home on Dec. 14, 2000, is the darkest detail to surface. Investigators say the victims were forced to engage in sexual acts and withdraw money from automated teller machines. Then they were all shot, execution-style, as they knelt in the snow on a dark soccer field.

Four of them - Aaron Sander, 29; Heather Muller, 25; Brad Heyka, 27; and Jason Befort, 26, died.

Befort's girlfriend, then a 25-year-old teacher, survived. Bleeding from a head wound, she ran barefoot and naked through the snow for nearly a mile to find help.

Reginald Carr, 24, and Jonathan Carr, 22, now face a total of 113 charges, including murder. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

The "alleged" (perhaps they are "allegedly" dead, too) crime spree began on Dec. 7, 2000, with the abduction of Andrew Schreiber, who was also forced to withdraw cash from an ATM but was otherwise left unharmed.

The crimes escalated on Dec. 11 with the shooting during an attempted robbery of Ann Walenta, 55, who later died.

The case has become a rallying cry for white supremacists groups across the nation because the suspects are black while all the victims were white. Weeks before the trial was set to begin, a Nazi group held a rally in Topeka where the case was repeatedly cited.

Prosecutors are not trying the case as a hate crime. They say robbery was the motive.

Wichita Mayor Bob Knight - who has made improving race relationships a cornerstone of his administration - said Friday that regardless of race and ethnicity, what occurred could be described as "raw, brutal and evil."

"You have innocent people tortured, killed, humiliated by someone who is little more than an animal. I'm not looking at it as a black and white issue," Knight said. "I am not a big fan of capital punishment, but if anything deserves people losing their lives, it is this kind of heinous crime."

Jurors appeared riveted by the survivor's testimony on Oct. 10.

"As I was kneeling, there was a shot. And I don't remember, we were all screaming, but I can remember hearing Aaron say, 'please no' - he used the word 'sir.' There was another one, and another one, and then another one, and then everything kind of went gray as I was shot," she said.

She said she felt the impact of the bullet, but did not fall forward until one of the men kicked her. She heard the men get into the truck and waited until she could no longer see headlights before she got up to check on her friends to see if they were alive.

"I went to Jason," she said. "I rolled him over. He had blood coming out of one of his eyes. I still had on my sweater and I took it off and tied it around his head to act as a tourniquet to try to stop it."

The trial began Sept. 9. Jury selection lasted 18 days. The state was still presenting and planned to resume on Monday.

Dan Walker, a construction worker who was working at a job at the Sedgwick County Courthouse where the case is being tried, spent his lunch break watching the trial on TV.

"It was so bad what was done to these girls and these boys - it wasn't just homicide, it was brutal murder," Walker said.

Denise Taylor, a courthouse worker, says she listens to or watches the trial coverage every day.

"I want to see what it is that provoked them to do such heinous crimes, and why five people couldn't overpower them to save their lives," Taylor said.

But at Augusta High School - where Befort was a science teacher and junior varsity basketball coach - the radios have been turned off in the administration offices.

The deaths hit teachers and students hard, and the school was shut down for the funeral, said superintendent Jim Markos.

"That was kind of closure for us, and it was a good closure," Markos said. "Now it was reopened again with the trial."

31 posted on 10/14/2002 6:27:02 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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Why are so many Freepers trying to make this a race issue? It seems these killers are nothing more than animals...They didn't care what color their victims were.

Aren't Freepers better than Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson?

Give it a rest...
32 posted on 10/14/2002 6:28:37 AM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: Non-Sequitur
I can't say that I disagree with anything in your post. I was just pointing out the media hypocrisy.
33 posted on 10/14/2002 6:28:42 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: Freedom4US
So, there you have it. If you question the way the media reports (or more correctly, *doesn't* report) you are now a Nazi. Always good to know, I guess.
34 posted on 10/14/2002 6:30:47 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
So, there you have it. If you question the way the media reports (or more correctly, *doesn't* report) you are now a Nazi. Always good to know, I guess.

If white people develop a sense that they can be preyed upon at will, and only the neo-Nazis seem to care, that will be a big recruiting tool for the neo-Nazis

35 posted on 10/14/2002 6:42:16 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Non-Sequitur
--But it seems to me that complaining about the coverage, or lack of it, on this story means that we are trying to be as bad as they are--.

Hardly, we are criticizing the media for not being even handed. If they want to leave the Shepards, and the Byrds, and the Wichitas alone, or they wantr to trumpet them in big letters most of us wouldn't complain.

But when they want to trumpet one and hide the otherthe result is propaganda of the worse kind.
36 posted on 10/14/2002 6:56:40 AM PDT by republicman
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To: Johnny Shear
see #36
37 posted on 10/14/2002 6:58:19 AM PDT by republicman
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To: kattracks
Thanks for posting an interesting and well written article about this horrible case.

I agree that this was not a "hate crime" as those words are used in "hate crime" statutes. [Those statutes themselves are offensive, but that is another diatribe for another day.].

The brothers Carr were after money first and foremost and were willing to take whatever cheap thrills they could get in the process. It is a simple fact of life that in this country that whites, on average, have more money than blacks. So, it is easier, when whites commit crime on blacks, to conclude that there must be some other motive at work. The James Byrd case is an excellent example; his killers were clearly not after money. Kansas doesn't have a "hate crimes" statute (for which it should be applauded). Even if it did, what basis would the prosecutors have for charging this crime under such a statute. Yes, all of the victims were white. Would the Carrs have shown the same animal viciousness to fellow blacks? Perhaps not, but, on the evidence they have, how are you going to prove that in a court of law? Do you assume just because they chose middle-class white victims the motive had to be race? Willie Sutton was once asked why he robbed banks. His answer was, "'Cause that's where the money is."

Even without a "hate crime" label, though, this is still a horrible crime that in normal circumstances would merit national coverage. Five young adults brutalized, tortured, raped, and shot execution-style on a frozen field. Come on, media, you cover crimes less serious than that on a national basis all the time. It is clear the national press is steering away from this case because of the extreme brutality and depravity the Carrs showed toward their victims. It is just not PC these days to portray blacks in this way. Whether the portrayal might be accurate insofar as the Carr brothers are concerned is just not an issue for the national media. Their fear is that those who read of this case will generalize and ascribe the conduct of the Carrs to all blacks. That is absurd, of course, but I can't help wondering whether it is because these bastions of PC are themselves tempted to make this leap in logic that they assume all of the rest of us will as well.

So, my politically correct media elite friends, here is a word of advice. You just worry about reporting the news. That is your job. You leave to the rest of us the task of trying to decide what the news means. That is our job, and, despite your doubts and condescention, we are quite capable of doing it without your guidance.

38 posted on 10/14/2002 7:06:25 AM PDT by blau993
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To: kattracks
"When a white commits a murder against a black, it's national headlines. But when two blacks force their way into an apartment, rape two white women and take them and their three white male friends and murder them in cold blood, it's not even worth a national news story," said he in a recent column.

Just as when two dumbass straight guys murder a gay man and leave his body hanging on a fence in Wyoming, it's a national outrage, but when two queer hairdressers in Arkansas repeatedly sodomize and eventually kill a 14-year old boy, it's not mentioned. RIP, Jesse Dirkhising.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

39 posted on 10/14/2002 7:12:27 AM PDT by wku man
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To: SauronOfMordor
If white people develop a sense that they can be preyed upon at will, and only the neo-Nazis seem to care, that will be a big recruiting tool for the neo-Nazis.

Bingo.

40 posted on 10/14/2002 7:16:36 AM PDT by Under the Radar
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