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The Sniper: For shooters
10/15/02 | DrCarl

Posted on 10/15/2002 4:22:24 PM PDT by DrCarl

Let's talk about this sniper.

First, the guy is being treated as if he must be a "trained sniper", military, police, etc. Meanwhile, everyone I know can shoot as well as anything I've heard him credited with.

He's shooting a .223 varmint round. The media wonders how he can shoot this round out of a bolt-action rifle without the gun's being seen by others, while showing the public various "assault rifles" as the probable weapon being used.

In fact, Thompson Centre (T/C) makes a contender barrel in .223 that's 14" long. It's a pistol. It is easily carried concealed.

Long range scopes can be fit to the Contender. Would night vision optics be a problem?

Some report a rifle shot having been heard. Others not. Might a silencer be in use?

Could this guy be using a Contender?


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: sniper; tc; thompsoncentre
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To: muawiyah
That's all very good, but NBC says the cops have a witness who identified the weapon as an AK-74!

Well, the witness is obviously full of sh*t. Are there any weapons that take the .223 that look something like an AK-47? Of course, to many people, a lot of guns look like an AK-47!
61 posted on 10/15/2002 5:54:12 PM PDT by Hemlock
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To: muawiyah
My retarded! There is an AK-74, and it takes a 5.45 mm cartridge.
62 posted on 10/15/2002 5:58:17 PM PDT by Hemlock
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To: DrCarl
They give this guy way too much credit. I've got 50 year old eyes and can hit a deer at 100 yrds with a 30-30 lever action and iron sites. (no photos but imagine about a 4-5" group of 5 rounds.
63 posted on 10/15/2002 6:03:02 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: Eaker
Yeah, I just saw where the Maryland governor put a ban on the firing of all rifles in a four county area since deer season is coming up.
Strange part was that he banned bows, also!
LOL!

When all of this first started, the AR-15 was the weapon of choice for the anti-gunners as the weapon which the sniper was using to kill people.
That was a real handy excuse to outlaw assault weapons.
You can bet that no matter if this turns out to be a bolt action single shot, the assault weapons are somehow to blame.

I take all of this info that we are getting with a grain of salt.
I doubt seriously that the forensics people can tell a varmint round from an anti-personnel round after it disintegrates in the target.
I'm sure that the pressure is tremendous to make some guesses which can be used as facts until the facts present themselves.

64 posted on 10/15/2002 6:04:49 PM PDT by COB1
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To: Hemlock
That's what happens when you don't read the posts carefully.

But, you have ideological and emotional company. We have some Alaskans out there wanting to know why folks in the effete East chose to go around unarmed. They note that "back home" they'd shot this perp to pieces.

This always requires a long story about Virginia not being part of Maryland, and we have guns - big guns - actually really, really, really big guns, and they have to give us a permit to carry a concealed weapon, which is why all adult males walk with a limp - it's from the rifle or shotgun down their britches!

Leastwise some folks think that. In any case, the situation at the Home Depot involved dozens of people running and screaming. This spoiled the shot. Besides, the witnesses knew how valuable they were alive, and it was clear the guy was ready to rock and roll with bursts of 4 from his AK-74~ ~ ~ ~ / ~ ~ ~ ~ /

65 posted on 10/15/2002 6:05:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DrCarl
"You shoot nothing but open, iron sights for years and you shoot better with them than with a scope."

I agree to a point.
That's all I shot with for most of my life; however, if I were going after people and planning on taking shots of two hundred yards or so, I'd always opt for a good scope.
Case in point:
You've not seen a sniper in the military using open sights since they quit using the Springfield '06.

66 posted on 10/15/2002 6:11:48 PM PDT by COB1
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To: Eaker
BTW: I saw the addition to your signature, but I never did learn how to read Egyptian.
67 posted on 10/15/2002 6:15:44 PM PDT by COB1
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To: OKSooner
"Personally, I agree with another poster who points out that these guys made their first mistake by murdering the woman at the HD they way they did"

If they really did it that way, it was a real mistake. However as yet, I have not heard pursuasive testimony that is what happened--what we have heard is a witness who heard a "muffled" shot; and then saw a white van driven by two ME types in an agitated condition attempting to break into traffic. No where have we heard or read him saying "I saw the muzzle flash from the white truck driven by the two . . . "

These guys have been very careful to maintain operational security and this kind of amateur mistake at this point would be surprising but possible.

Also, in order for this guy to have seen the truck and the ME types at the time the shot was fired, the shot was relatively short range--50 yards or so. It appears that the prior shots have been at greater ranges up to 200-300 yards which helps maintain operational security also.

68 posted on 10/15/2002 6:15:55 PM PDT by David
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To: Dead Dog
.221 Remington Fire Ball (First chambering for XP100 pistol)
69 posted on 10/15/2002 6:16:22 PM PDT by Calamari
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To: FF578
Wow!

Thanks for the info--didn't know!
71 posted on 10/15/2002 6:48:19 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: spunkets
You, too. Thanks a bunch! Didn't know at all.
72 posted on 10/15/2002 6:49:42 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: OKSooner
I am humbled by my lack of knowledge. And thanks!
73 posted on 10/15/2002 6:51:15 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: dts32041
I had no idea! And I am a shooter, though not a good one.

Thanks!
74 posted on 10/15/2002 6:53:16 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: OKSooner
I heard an account of last nite's shooting that said the guy stepped out of a car and shot the woman from 30 yards, then drove away.

So where's the cartridge?

75 posted on 10/15/2002 6:56:28 PM PDT by js1138
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To: muawiyah
Or perhaps the Galil .223 ARM?

IMI Galil

http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/galil.html

76 posted on 10/15/2002 6:58:08 PM PDT by dmcnash
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To: Hemlock
Somehow I rather doubt the witness said anything about an AK-74. I've been reading FR threads for years and never heard of it. I don't believe it has come up before on FR as a possibility.

My guess is the witness described something, possibly mentioning the AK-47, and the cops/feds figured it out. It's possible they already knew from the bullet signature.

77 posted on 10/15/2002 7:03:12 PM PDT by js1138
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To: TC Rider
>I've got 50 year old eyes and can hit a deer at 100 yrds with a 30-30 lever action and iron sites.

Well, my eyes are a tad older than yours, my gun is more primitive than yours and I can hit a deer at distances greater than 100 yards, so we're both pretty good, but we don't know how far these shots have been. I don't know about you but I'm hearing everything from 30 yards to 200 yards.

78 posted on 10/15/2002 7:03:45 PM PDT by DrCarl
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To: COB1
Many Middle Easterners are missing appendages (ear, finger, eye)
79 posted on 10/15/2002 7:07:48 PM PDT by ampat
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To: DrCarl
Of the threads I've read, have not seen any mention of a handheld electronic range finder or any kind, for that matter.
From what I gathered, some shots were longer than others.

Would the use of such a mechanical device fit these scenarios?

80 posted on 10/15/2002 7:08:17 PM PDT by CWRWinger
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