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What I hate most about liberals is that they never -- never -- admit when they're wrong. And history always proves them wrong. They just float from issue to issue, mouthing the same idiocy.

Drives me nuts. And if news of North Korea's nuclear program weren't so troubling and dangerous, the claims in this editorial would be laugh-out-loud funny.

1 posted on 10/17/2002 11:04:17 AM PDT by seamus
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Carter's Nobel Prize is looking sillier by the day...
2 posted on 10/17/2002 11:07:55 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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President Clinton, former President Carter and Mr. Gallucci deserve warm praise for charting a less costly and more successful course.

Mmmmmmmmm. More successful. Perhaps. But more successful for whom?

3 posted on 10/17/2002 11:07:55 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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Hawks, arguing that the North was simply stalling while it built more bombs, had called for economic sanctions or attacks on the North's nuclear installations. The Administration muted the war talk and pursued determined diplomacy...
Reassuring the North paid off in the end.

Yeh - the sophisticates at the Times sure know what's best, don't they?

4 posted on 10/17/2002 11:08:37 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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Diplomacy with North Korea has scored a resounding triumph. Monday's draft agreement freezing and then dismantling North Korea's nuclear program should bring to an end two years of international anxiety and put to rest widespread fears that an unpredictable nation might provoke nuclear disaster.

Yep, it's the same Neville Chamberlain diplomacy for success program that saw us avoid World War II (LOL), and try to avoid confronting Saddam Husseing because "he ain't done anything wrong yet."

Evil must be confronted!  Hey Jimma!  Is that Nobel prize burning a hole in your pocket yet?  Sucker...

5 posted on 10/17/2002 11:09:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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From the start, the hawks' alternative to diplomacy was full of danger. Their solution -- economic sanctions and bombing runs -- might have disarmed North Korea, but only at the risk of war. President Clinton, former President Carter and Mr. Gallucci deserve warm praise for charting a less costly and more successful course.

I DEMAND A RETRACTION !!!!!! (pfffffffftttttt)

Commie scumsucker alert

6 posted on 10/17/2002 11:10:17 AM PDT by thedugal
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good find
8 posted on 10/17/2002 11:13:04 AM PDT by rface
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Basically we paid them to be quiet, and in exchange, we also promised not to look. This was clearly a sham from the beginning, where North Korea would keep quiet, and the Clinton Administration could pretend it wasn't a problem.

With Iraq, the Clinton Administration leaned on inspectors not to look where they might find anything, so as to make it look like Iraq was behaving, and not a real problem.

With Al Queda, the Clinton administration constantly downplayed its significance so it could pretend we didn't have a problem that needed to be addressed.

9 posted on 10/17/2002 11:16:07 AM PDT by lepton
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Liberals are wrong most of the time. Their memory is selective.

For example, lets take our inept ex-secretary of state Madelaine Albright. In 1991 she was against war with Iraq and fervently against US forces going into Baghdad and deposing Saddam. Her statements are recorded in print and on video. In 1998, she was for attacking and deposing Saddam, but better yet, she criticized the previous adminstration for not taking Saddam out, while they had the chance, contradicting her earlier statements. Presently, in 2002, she is once again against military action in Iraq, once again contradicting herself.

10 posted on 10/17/2002 11:16:37 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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Someone should send this to the slimes.
11 posted on 10/17/2002 11:16:50 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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I suggest ALL FReeper's copy the above editorial in a "letter to the editor" to the NYT asking for their comments NOW! I'm sure that they will NOT respond!
13 posted on 10/17/2002 11:23:08 AM PDT by texson66
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      The Korea Society Quarterly - Portfolio - Fall 2000

      The Korea Society Annual Dinner 2000

      President Jimmy Carter
      Van Fleet Award Honoree

      Acceptance Remarks

      It may be hard for any of you to assess the depth of feeling that I am presently experiencing. In following on the platform a man who was a human
      rights hero of mine beginning twenty-five years ago, and to receive this award directly from his hands is a personal and overwhelming honor for me.

      I would wager that everyone here has an interest in Korea; otherwise you wouldn’t be present. My first interest in Korea was as a young submarine
      officer in the Pacific Ocean during the Korean War. I viewed the loss of thirty-five or forty thousand of my fellow military companions as a blight on
      Korea, and I despised the memory and image of Kim Il Sung.

      When I was president, I recognized the vital alliance between the United States and South Korea, which has been eloquently described by the
      president in the last few moments. But my relationships with the two presidents who served in that time were quite unpleasant. With Presidents
      Park and Chun there was always a barrier between us when I met with them personally or communicated with them, because of a difference in our
      concepts of human rights. With the full resources of the intelligence forces of my country, we had monitored the attempts to destroy the life of one
      of my most cherished heroes. Even in the last few months of my term as president, I saw my friend under threat of being executed. And as Don
      Gregg has pointed out, he and Harold Brown went to Seoul to present our views in the strongest military terms.

      I accept this award not for myself, but on behalf of the Carter Center, where my wife and I have devoted our lives for the last twenty years. At the
      Carter Center, we monitor everyday, every conflict on earth. There are one hundred ten conflicts on our present list, about seventy of which erupt
      into violence every year (last year seventy-one). About thirty of them are very serious wars, major wars. Korea has always been on our list because
      the differences have not yet been resolved.

      In some way unknown to me, Kim Il Sung heard about our work at the Carter Center, and for three years beginning late in 1990, he repeatedly
      asked me to come to P’yongyang so that he could explain his positions and his proposals to the U.S. government by indirect means. Because of
      opposition in Washington, I did not go for awhile. Finally to test his sincerity, I told him that I would only come if we could go directly from Seoul
      across the DMZ to P’yongyang and back down, without going through China. He said at first that this was impossible because even the secretary
      general of the United Nations had to go through China. I said, "I won’t come." Later he sent word that he wanted us to come so badly that he
      would approve. So my wife and I, in June of 1994, as you may know, made this trip: the first human beings who did so in forty-three years.

      My background was in nuclear engineering, and when we got there we had many talks about this subject. He was surprisingly conversant about
      the nature of graphite moderated reactors that were producing the spent fuel that was in danger of being converted into nuclear explosives, but we
      resolved that difficulty after long talks. Later we learned to, I think, respect each other, if I can be so bold as to say so. We proposed to him that
      there be direct negotiations, a summit meeting between North and South Korea, and he agreed. Preparations were being made for this summit,
      and he was inspecting the summit site. Not long afterwards, he died on the site.

      Subsequently, his son, Kim Jong Il, sent me a letter pledging that he would honor all the commitments his father had made, but six years passed.
      It was only because of the sunshine policy promulgated by President Kim Dae-jung and publicly announced and believed in P’yongyang that the
      dreams of Koreans, Americans and people around the world were to be partially realized. At last some rapprochement was reached between the
      people on the Korean peninsula.

      Where do we go from here? I think with the repeatedly demonstrated personal courage of my hero, Kim Dae-jung, and with the sound judgment, I
      hope, of Kim Jong Il, we’ll see that progress continues until the people of North and South Korea can once again realize their common destiny.

      I hope as an American citizen, as a leader of only the Carter Center–a private citizen–that my country will give its fullest support to both sides.

      We should be accommodating and understanding about the paranoia and the strangeness that we think exists in North Korea. I hope that the
      courage and commitment that is demonstrated in Seoul will harness the enormous economic potential of the Japanese and the Europeans and the
      great influence of China in North Korea. Then we can see once again, peace come to all the people of Korea, which will be a blessing not only to
      them, but to the entire world.

14 posted on 10/17/2002 11:23:22 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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President Clinton, former President Carter and Mr. Gallucci deserve warm praise..

The he!! you say! They deserve a keel-hauling!

15 posted on 10/17/2002 11:25:11 AM PDT by texson66
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Reassuring the North paid off in the end. Given the residual mistrust between the two sides, the U.S. will now sensibly provide more tangible reassurance.

More hugs, dangit, more hugs!

16 posted on 10/17/2002 11:26:24 AM PDT by Shermy
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It has gotten the North to do a lot more than the treaty requires, like dismantle its nuclear installations.

Exibit # 345 proving how gullible Clinton was and why he should never have been President and why Algore would be a national security risk.

17 posted on 10/17/2002 11:26:56 AM PDT by Timocrat
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Publications like the Times and individuals like Carter, are nothing less than willing accomplices that further the ability of wicked people to conduct their activities, and remain untouchable to those who would stop them.

Carter did his magic with Korea. He fixed it. No more need to worry about nukes and North Korea. Well, he didn't fix it. He simply blew off the US' efforts to reign in the North Korean leadership.

Carter and others have been trying to get restraints on Castro lifted. For the record, when Castro had access to funds, he didn't spend it on his people. But these people think he would today. LOL Fidel would have his troups back in Africa and all over Central and South American.

These actions of the "useful idiots" are clearly defined. That's why the Nobel committee honors people like Carter. The Nobel committee loves people like Castro and the North Korean leadership. They have the same goals. Frankly, so does Carter.

19 posted on 10/17/2002 11:30:47 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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The whole thing was idiotic from the start. We had to give N. Korea billions of $$ and NUCLEAR REACTORS so they would'nt (it turns out actually they still would) make nuclear weapons to attack us with??? What kind of crazy precedent was that??
21 posted on 10/17/2002 11:42:59 AM PDT by Williams
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Another nominee for the "Peace in our time" Chamberlain award.
25 posted on 10/17/2002 11:48:39 AM PDT by weegee
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...Reassuring the North paid off in the end...

Clinton seemed "reassuring" when faced with any tough choice. He just took the path of least resistance as determined by public opinion polls, and the NY Times and the rest of his enablers remained on their collective knees ready and willing to nurse his ----- on demand.

27 posted on 10/17/2002 11:52:43 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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Has anyone copied this and sent it to NYT? I'm really curious to see what they have to say about this..... if anything. Commie rat bstrds!
31 posted on 10/17/2002 12:15:09 PM PDT by walkingdead
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Wonder if they ever read these?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/771000/posts
The Atomic Genie- what we have about North Korea's Nuclear program
various FR posts | 10-17-02 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
"Here is a partial listing of what we have on Free Republic regarding North Korea & Nukes... "

32 posted on 10/17/2002 12:23:18 PM PDT by backhoe
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