MARYLAND GUN OWNERS ARE BEING COERCED BY FEDS TO TURN IN THEIR GUNS FOR 'BALLISTIC TESTING' !!!

TheFiringLine.com ^ | 17 October 2002 | Vigilant1

[Vigilant1]

Over at TheFiringLine.com, there are many reports from credible long-time posters that the feds are intimidating Maryland gun owners into 'voluntarily' turning over their guns for 'ballistic testing'. Please check out the following discussion threads:

5000 rifles turned-in, in Maryland?

A Special Note To Maryland Gun Owners

Goodbye TFL- for now

This is a realization of the worst fears of gunowners. Feds showing up at your door, demanding you turn over your guns. Threats and intimidation. Absolute proof that the fedgov keeps lists of who owns what guns. This is our Orwellian nightmare come true. If you turn over your guns to the feds, good luck getting them back! Perhaps Maryland is just a test case for federal gun confiscation techniques? We'll see....

[GummyIII]

Can you hear it now...
"Sir, if you don't have anything to hide.....why should it bother you"

Response: Sir, if you had read the 2nd Amendment, you wouldn't ask!

[11B3]

BTTT.

[DAnconia55]

A Clinton left-over with an AK-74 and orders from Daschle and/or Hitlery, combined with their helpers in the media.

Too bad you're smart enough to realize this is possible, but not smart enough to understand that such behavior is independent of party, and totally a calculus of power.

[Indrid Cold]

I'm an FFL; your understanding of 4473s and their governance is correct. They are treated as federal property in my custody, hence local LEOs must get a warrant to see them--they can't just go "fishing". Of course, ATF can see them anytime they want.

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

"They will return them in good working order" ... including that new little shiny micro-chip tracking device (GPS) which was added. -sarcasm off-

I think anyone who gives over their weapons will never see them again because they will be held as evidence in the trial (hopfully the SOB eats a hail of lead and there won't be trial) so the defense can run tests on the weapons the investigators ruled out.

[Vigilant1]

Thanks to Bossman at AssaultWeb for this:

This is how us gunowners are being treated in Maryland.

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• I have the right to live, thus I have the right to defend my life from attackers who would take it from me.
• I have the right to self-determination, thus I have the right to defend my liberty from tyrants who would take it from me.
• I have the right to my private property, thus I have the right to defend my property from thieves who would take it from me.
• The only tool for these tasks is a gun, and thus I have the right to shoot anyone who would take my guns from me.

[jrp]

Just pinged a long-time buddy of mine in DC. He works as a staffer for a Texas congressman, is a big-time shooter and former FFL holder. I gave him a link to this thread. Here is his reply:

Well, I do know for a fact that the police showed up at the door of one fellow who had an AR-15 registered with the State of Maryland. About 10 or 11 p.m. He spoke to them through the screen door. He told them the gun had not been stolen. They asked if they could come in -- "No". They asked if they could examine the gun -- "No. Go get a warrent if you want to see it." They left. He is an attorney. I would suppose they've visited quite a few people. That number (meaning the 5000 - jrp) sounds pretty high.

Sounds like it is for real, although I agree that it's unlikely 5000 folks turned their guns in.

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

Less talk about novels and more printing.LOL

[nunya bidness]

It's happening.

[Travis McGee]

I even guessed right on the states: MD and VA.

Every day I'm putting a few chapters in the smooth, I should have it ready to print in a month + or -. Next I have to get a website, I am going to publish the first chapters serially in the website free, what do you think?

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

What exactly is "happening."

[infowarrior]

My cases are confined to the Montgomery County area...

Apparently this is the case for the time being, as I live in P G County and haven't been contacted by these "individuals" as yet. If, and when I am, you may be assured that such contact will be reported here on FR...

the infowarrior

[wewillnotfail]

bump

[packrat01]

1. All contacts should be on your front porch. Nobody gets inside of the house. Better yet, talk to them through the screen door, with the screen door locked.

You need to find a better lawyer. There have already been at least one case where police prevented an individual from re-entering his home; while waiting for a warrant.

Never go outside to greet them. Follow the Better yet, talk to them through the screen door, with the screen door locked.

[RightWinger]

...'voluntarily' turning over their guns...

...voluntarily giving up their rights by an out-of-control government...
People who do it don't deserve freedom!

[harpseal]

My comment would be as follows if called on the phone.

Sir/Madam, on the phone you are a disembodied voice. I do not give any personal information out over the phone to anyone I do not know personally. If you are what you say you are please either contact me at an agreed future time or please show up with a warrant either for my arrest or for any specific property to be seaized. Needless to say I will cooperate with any warrant. As for any investigation you may or may not be conducting clearly my cooperation will be a function of you courtesy and politness and lack of intrusion into my personal affairs. In response to your if you've got nothing to hide comment. I respond "If you have some reasonable grounds for suspicion get a warrant."

Now the above said it seems there is at least one out of control FBIie maybe more. They could have surveyed state records in Maryland which I gather maintains more extensive records than many other states. Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - yorktown

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

"And so it begins..."

[MissAmericanPie]

Is this report true? Has it been confirmed? Because if it is then the clock on the wall is striking midnight. Will this happen in every city that a sniper shows up in, all across America?

And what will be the response of citizens given what appears to be this incrimental technique? No time to oganize a response obviously. And they were singing....Bye, bye, Miss American Pie, drove my chevy to the levy but the levy was dry.

[Freedom2specul8]

That's a polite response...it doesn't invite a negative reply, attitude or action.

Now, I would like to see if the rumors are true or not..

[Bloody Sam Roberts]