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Drivers of White Vans are being treated as criminals
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Posted on 10/20/2002 7:48:19 AM PDT by SamAdams76

The photos above currently on the Drudge site concern me. I followed the link and the article clearly stated that nobody was arrested last night.

Why then, do we have drivers of white vans, innocent civilians, evidently being pulled out vans at gunpoint and treated like dangerous criminals? One photo shows a man on the ground, evidently in handcuffs, with police officers standing over him as though they have just captured Whitey Bulger. When I first saw the photo, I figured the man was obviously a wanted criminal that police just so happened to come across during their search. But since there were no arrests last night, this man was obviously released and was no criminal after all.

The other photo shows a man by another white van with his hands in the air and a police officer has a gun drawn on him. Again, this was evidently just another innocent civilian who had the misfortune to be driving a white van on I-95 last night.

Now I understand the need for these roadblocks and for the police to be very thorough in their search for the sniper(s). But I cannot see the point of innocent people dragged out of their vehicles at gunpoint with no pretext other than the fact that they happen to be driving a white van.

Now maybe somebody here has an explanation why these two individuals were treated like criminals. Maybe they tried to evade the police or maybe they were driving stolen vans. But again, there were no arrests made last night. So what is the deal with our citizens being treated like Jesse James just for driving a white van?


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To: John Lenin
Saftey first.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither Liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin, Pennsylvania Assembly, Nov. 11, 1755

781 posted on 10/20/2002 8:34:03 PM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: TigersEye
oops typo. sorry about that. psychopath
782 posted on 10/20/2002 8:35:05 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: realpatriot71; John Lenin
Define "essential liberty".
783 posted on 10/20/2002 8:35:49 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: takenoprisoner
SEA KELP
784 posted on 10/20/2002 8:35:54 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: Sir Gawain
And you can trust us when we say that we will repeal these laws as soon as the killer is caught.

Of course, governemnt always returns civil liberties after the populace has dropped trou' and bent over for the sake of their own paranoid fears . . . right?

785 posted on 10/20/2002 8:35:55 PM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: luvtheconstitution; Squantos; Sir Gawain
I want the officers to keep themselves safe

It doesn't matter what you "want". What you want is irrelevant. What's legal and proper is what counts.

You "luvtheconstitution" my ass.

786 posted on 10/20/2002 8:36:52 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: realpatriot71
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither Liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin, Pennsylvania Assembly, Nov. 11, 1755

ESSENTIAL being the operative word. You have no essential right to not be inconvenienced in an emergency situation.

787 posted on 10/20/2002 8:37:52 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
essential liberty: that which is naturally mine and except in cases where I have initiated force or fraud cannot be taken from me except through force or fraud
788 posted on 10/20/2002 8:38:05 PM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: realpatriot71
smoking a joint, beating their kids/wife, or not having preapproved heterosexual puritan sex.

Essential liberties?

789 posted on 10/20/2002 8:39:49 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: TigersEye
ROTFLMAO

Funny to you removed. Not so funny to those directly related.

790 posted on 10/20/2002 8:39:58 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: realpatriot71
initiated force or fraud

Out comes the cult mantra.

791 posted on 10/20/2002 8:40:43 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Texasforever
I do have an essential right to be left alone unless I have violated someone's essential rights through force or fraud. Dragging me out of a van at gun point, hand cuffing me, forcing me to lay ont he ground is not an "inconvenience" its a violation of my due process.
792 posted on 10/20/2002 8:40:50 PM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: Texasforever
You have no essential right to not be inconvenienced in an emergency situation.

So every time someone is murdered in this country, some 25,000 times a year, it's an emergency situation requiring suspension of due process and civil liberties?

793 posted on 10/20/2002 8:41:03 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: bvw; Howlin
The "stop-me-next-please-mister-officer-cuz-I-love-men-in-uniform" crowd on this thread has shown little intelligence

Excuse me? - The ladies of this thread who support law enforcement's efforts to catch this sniper argued with reason and patience all day against those who seemed to be responding much more emotionally to the sight of cops and blue lights flashing than a murder that took place nearby.

Your post at 678 is word salad, but one thing I got from it was that the wimmin are acting like victims and we just don't understand the role manhood dictates. Men have to resent the cops, because to do less would show weakness to the MAN. You then, I think, explain to men how to cooperate to the cops without seeming like a wuss.

And this is a highly reasoned opinion we should make law enforcement work around to not deflate your egos?

Oh - and Howlin, turns out the blue wear indicator on my toothbrush was very nearly halfway gone and it is time to replace it. Sure glad I checked.

794 posted on 10/20/2002 8:42:29 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Time well spent, I can assure you!
795 posted on 10/20/2002 8:43:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: takenoprisoner
Funny to you removed. Not so funny to those directly related.

The sniper situation isn't funny to anyone here. What is funny is someone sitting at their computer getting apeshit hysterical. Lighten up.

796 posted on 10/20/2002 8:43:52 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: realpatriot71
You are a visionary. Imagine, no sniper rifles or white vans - Utopia!
797 posted on 10/20/2002 8:44:16 PM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Did you see the latest composite sketch of the suspect that chief moose just released?


798 posted on 10/20/2002 8:45:58 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Liberty Teeth
You are a visionary.

Hey! If it can just save one life . . . Right?

799 posted on 10/20/2002 8:46:22 PM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: TigersEye
Laugh at will so you desire and as you wish. I find your behavior obsscene and deplorable.
800 posted on 10/20/2002 8:46:46 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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