Senator is killed in plane crash [Tragedy in Eveleth]

Miami Herald Online ^ | Saturday, October 26, 2002 | BY JAMES KUHNHENN AND SUMANA CHATTERJEE

[Dialup Llama]

>He was a straight shooter and believed what he said.

He honestly wanted to steal money from me and make me poor. I don't give credit to such beliefs.

[RJCogburn]

He honestly wanted to steal money from me and make me poor. I don't give credit to such beliefs.

Nor do I.

But he let me know he wanted to steal my money, unlike most pols...of both parties....who want to do the same thing to some degree or other, but try to tell me that they really do not.

[Nitro]

Let's consider, no tower or RADAR at Eveleth, plane being handled by ATC at Duluth, low cloud ceiling, low visibility and the pilots operating on IFR (Instrument Flight Rules)...

this sounds alot like the plane crash that took out Ron Brown...

it wouldn't take much to offset the locator beacon thereby causing the aircraft to come out of the clouds in a place other than over the landing threshold!!

Keep in mind he was lagging in the polls and I wouldn't put anything past the demonrats to hold onto the Senate!!

[LadyDoc]

Let's consider, no tower or RADAR at Eveleth, plane being handled by ATC at Duluth, low cloud ceiling, low visibility and the pilots operating on IFR (Instrument Flight Rules)... this sounds alot like the plane crash that took out Ron Brown...

Well, hon, I've flown on planes in both areas.

Ron Brown's airport is at the base of a mountain. Despite being a major city, it had minimal approach help for IFR. You miss the airport, you hit the high cliff. Indeed, the Serbs sat on the top of the mountain and shelled Dobrovnik for a couple of years...luckily the town was stone, and survived, although the tourist areas didn't. So the pilot should not have taken the chancy flight.

In Minnesota, however, snow is the rule. Icing is common. Planes crash all the time. When I heard the crash, I was afraid it was the local commuter. The rule is that when it's foggy, you are bussed two hours to the next airport to take off, or go the next day. Right now, you could leave St. Paul with a clear forcast, and an hour later hit icing. (flight time in commuter is about 45 minutes to Hibbing. The real question is why he went to the smaller Virginia airport rather than Hibbing and take a car). Closest thing to northern Minnesota is Alaska in climate and weather. It's already snowed there.

[Nitro]

First of all what I suggested is pure speculation...

second the point still stands, if you break out of a low cloud cover expecting to be over the apron and you see forest all around, it is entirely possible that recovery would be impossible and icing would further rob the aircraft of the necessary lift required to prevent impact!

Although I probably will lay off the conspiracy theory sites for a while!!

Happy Landings!!!

[M Kehoe]

Tough crowd.

5.56mm

[RckyRaCoCo]

So C-Span finally decided to use the conservative line. Did they wipe off all the dust first? As you know concerning the phenonomena of seminar callers and disruptors, the chances that this woman really was a Repub making such a call are not really that high

Agree 100%. CSPAN is becoming NPR on TV and the rats calling in on the REP. line is a common thing(assuming these moderators actually push the Rep. line in the first place). Since when does "playing by the rules" mean anything to them, considering their leaders of the past?

After all, there's no legal controlling authority anyway is there?

My sympathies to the remaining family members of Sen. Wellstone, but keeping with the honesty that i've read here about Wellstones convictions, i'll say I prayer for him and his family, but shed no Clinton(Ron Brown)crocodile tears for the loss of an admitted socialist. Too many others have died trying to prevent the disease of socialism from spreading here and around the world.

[bimbo]

Moynahan is the only other one that comes to mind. ... Zell Miller, Sam Nunn also come to mind. Thirty-five years ago the Democrat Party was filled with men like these - anti-Communist, pro-America Democrats. Unfurtunately, as the Left took over, these men were purged in favor of men like David Bonior, Ron Dellams, John Conyers, and assorted other Marxists. Not satisfied with only one Party, the Left is now very busy attempting to take over the Republicans as well.

[RckyRaCoCo]

initial approach or go-around?

WX (metar)at the time KEVM 251654Z AUTO 14003KT 5SM -SN OVC004 01/00 A3003 RMK AO2 2002/10/25 16:45

Airports IAP's

[ladyinred]

Another wonderful 2 cents worth John!
I will almost miss Paul's feisty speeches! He would make my blood boil with his extreme views, but he like Dornan was never boring! Sadly, both of their voices are silenced in the Congress, one by questionable defeat, one by tragic death.

[Nitro]

Wow, not being a pilot most of what you offered is very difficult to understand.

But I did notice Hibbing to the west... I totally dig Bob Dylan!!

Actually, if I had a week or two and some manuals I could make some sense of the NOTAM!!

[Ciexyz]

The Republicans are saying all the right things at this time of tragedy, but now we have to look at the situation realistically. How can the Pubbies prevent the Dems from grabbing back this Minnesota Senate seat? And what are the Dem's next steps in trying to push Mondale forward?

[Brian Allen]

<< ..... [Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone's] life and that of his wife, Sheila, and his daughter, Marcia.

The world will be a lonelier place without them.

My heart goes out to David and Mark, Wellstone's two sons, and all his family and friends. >>

Amen.

And God bless you, John, for being the Right kind of American Man -- to step up and say so.

Hugs'n .... Brian

[Alamo-Girl]

What a beautiful tribute! Thank you! I join in prayer for those who are suffering the loss of family and friends.

[BamaBlue]

The translation:

Reported at 16:54 zulu (UTC) on the 25th
Reporting Station - KEVM
Temperature - 1 degree centigrade (33.8 F)
Dewpoint - 0 degree centigrade (32.0 F)
Wind Direction - SE (140 degrees)
Wind Speed - 3 knots
Humidity - 93.0 %
Altimeter - 30.03 inches
Visibility - 5 sm
Ceiling - 400 ft
Current weather - light snow
Sky conditions - Overcast clouds at 400 feet

Hope this helps.

[Brian Allen]

<< ..... One woman, from the republican line, called in and said it was God's will that caused Wellstone's death, and that she thanked God that this happened .... >>

The DNC never takes holidays and respects nothing and no-one.

Isn't it amazing and apalling to witness the depths of mis and dis-information to which the RICO-racketeering gangster bastard "DemocRATS" will gladly plunge -- and the circumstances they are willing to exploit in so doing, eh?

"Republican line," indeed.

[aristeides]

If Wellstone was an honest man, why did he so vociferously support the Kosovo War (a war authorized neither by the Congress nor by the UN)?

[Nitro]

Sadly, I think the sympathy vote will carry the day for the dims, just like Carnahan.

But, we have had three straight weeks of gains in the "market" and that takes the issue of the Economy out of the dims hands and focuses the question on terrorism and the Republicans are like Superman on the war on terror...

I think we will regain the Senate and increase in the House!!

[gore_sux_2000]

Heard on the news this morn that the MN DFl'ers are meeting behind closed doors right now, what that means who knows. Norm MUST NOT just sit back and let them take that seat though. Hope he does a little campaigning still, since the Dems prob. will. It would be a shame for him to just give up after running a great campaign all year.

[Nitro]

Actually no it doesn't help... except for Kevm nothing seems to jibe...

and as a surface squid even I know SE is 135 not 140!!