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'If you leave me, I'll kill you and the kids' (Sniper Brother-in-Law's theory)
Tacoma News Tribune ^ | October 26th, 2002 | Rob Carson

Posted on 10/27/2002 3:47:46 AM PST by Sabertooth

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Drew Perine | The News Tribune

Charlie Green says John Allen Muhammad was planning to kill his ex-wife - Green's sister - and their children.


'If you ever leave me, I'll kill you and the kids'

Rob Carson; The News Tribune

Charlie Green says he's sure John Allen Muhammad is the Washington, D.C., sniper. And he says he knows why he did it.

Green, 39, says he's the brother of Muhammad's second ex-wife, Mildred Green. He lived in the same Tacoma house with Muhammad's family for three years, he said, and he knows how the man's mind works.

Based on that, Green said he believes the 10 fatal shootings in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia were part of an elaborate scheme to murder Mildred and the couple's three children, who recently had moved to the Washington, D.C., area to get away from Muhammad.

"He was getting ready to take out my sister and the kids," Green contends. "All those other innocent people, they died because he was trying to cover up."

Green, a truck driver who now lives in Providence, R.I., was in Tacoma on Friday during a layover and called The News Tribune. He said he "wanted Tacoma to know first-hand why all this happened."

He said he has known Muhammad for more than 20 years, since Green was in high school in Baton Rouge and Muhammad first began seeing his sister.

Green's information could not be independently verified, and a Tacoma police spokesman said the department's investigation has not involved Mildred Green's brother. Green did, however, provide a commercial driver's license, and the Polk City Directory for 1999 lists him as a resident of 7302 S. Ainsworth Ave., where John and Mildred Muhammad lived during the 1990s.

During the interview, Green pointed out that Muhammad's killings ringed the house in Clinton, Md., where Muhammad's former wife and children were living.

Muhammad was gradually closing in on them, Green said, so that he eventually could kill them and have their deaths dismissed as random acts.

"He did it because he wanted to kill my sister, and he wanted to kill the kids," Green said. "That was his main target. He killed all those other innocent people at random right under their noses. He made it look like it was a real sniper on the loose."

When the sniper issued threats that he would start killing children, it was Muhammad, laying the groundwork for what he intended to do, Green said.

"He was stalking them the whole time," Green alleged.

He noted that the rest stop where Muhammad and his teenage companion, John Lee Malvo, were arrested is just a short drive from Mildred's house.

Muhammad had already staked out the house, Green said, and once was spotted by his 12-year-old son, John Jr. One day recently the boy came into the house and told his sister, "I saw Daddy," said Green, who said he keeps in contact with his family, including Mildred.

Not knowing Muhammad apparently had found them, Green said, his sister told the boy, "No, you didn't, honey, Daddy is nowhere around here."

Muhammad also was spotted by a neighbor, Green said, a man Muhammad tried to befriend and enlist as a jogging partner.

Back in his high school days, Green said, Muhammad was known as "Neckbone" because of the stiff way he walked.

"He would always walk with his eyes down on the ground," Green said. "He never would look up to see what was around him. He never would speak to anyone. He was a cold piece."

Muhammad had an "anger problem ever since I knew him," Green said.

"You would say, 'Hi, John, how you doing?' And he would say nothing. He felt like he was better than everybody else."

"He didn't drink, didn't use drugs," Green said. "He always stayed physically fit. He was Mr. ROTC. He would wear the ROTC (Reserve Officers Training Corps) suit to school. The guy was just born to be in the military."

After Muhammad got out of the army, Green said, he became such a strong follower of a radical sect of Islam that it warped his view of the world.

"If you would say the word 'Jesus' around him he'd get very offended," Green said. "One time I brought some pork chops into the house, and he just went off like he was ready to burn the whole house down."

Mildred was a convert, too, Green said, and they were strict vegetarians. They ate only cheese pizza and certain kinds of butter, and used only certain kinds of dishwashing liquid, he said.

"When they'd get tacos for the kids," he said, "they'd get them with just lettuce in them."

Muhammad was a strict disciplinarian with his children but never hit them except for an occasional swat on the bottom, Green said. When he scolded them, "The kids would just shrink up," Green said.

"He was a great father, a very strong father figure. The kids respected their dad to the utmost."

But he could not control his anger, Green said.

"He's always been that way," Green said. "He would hold it in and hold it in and then he'd explode."

One night, Green said, when Muhammad didn't know he was in the house, he heard him tell his sister: "If you ever leave me, I'll kill you and the kids."

"He just snapped when my sister said she didn't want anything to do with him anymore," Green said. "That's when he lost it."

When Green realized his sister and the children were in danger, he said, he had thoughts about killing Muhammad before he could hurt the family.

"I'm not a violent person," he said. "But I wanted to take him out myself. I should have done it, even though it would have destroyed my life. Then all those innocent people would still be alive."

Rob Carson 253-597-8693
rob.carson@mail.tribnet.com

(Published 11:30PM, October 26th, 2002)



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
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More grist for the mill. This theory is plausible, I suppose, until you go from random killings to murdering an entire family. Once that happened, Muhammad would be Suspect #1. Still, it would fit in with the possible motive for killing the Tacoma woman whose aunt had sided with Muhammad's ex-wife in the custody dispute.

That said, there are still a lot of terror links that need to be checked out.





1 posted on 10/27/2002 3:47:46 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; one_particular_harbour; kmiller1k; Snow Bunny; ..
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2 posted on 10/27/2002 3:48:57 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Clearly this guy would have killed his ex in a heartbeat out of his blinding rage and desire for vengence. And she is a muslim.
3 posted on 10/27/2002 3:57:15 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Sabertooth
It makes sense--in an insane sort of way. How the heck can sane people figure out what goes on in the mind of evil?
4 posted on 10/27/2002 3:57:32 AM PST by Samwise
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To: Sabertooth
Holy cow. (He's wrong about Mohammad being meant for the military, though. Mohammad was a washout as a soldier.)
5 posted on 10/27/2002 3:57:32 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Sabertooth
Sounded good at first until I realized he would only want to risk being caught during all his foolish negotiations after he was done with his primary mission.

This guy was tired of killing and wanted to cash out as a bonus for stopping. I think the family would have been taken out instead of playing footsie with police if that's what he wanted to do. Of course, his plan could have morphed midstream.

6 posted on 10/27/2002 4:27:11 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: anniegetyourgun
He had kidnapped these kids and took them to Antigua & other parents for about a year, until he was located back in the states. The kids were removed from him and returned to the custodial parent, the ex-wife. She then disappeared, although he was trying to locate her (according to his lawyer who's been making the TV rounds); if he located her, you can bet he was stalking her. At least one of the theories was that one of the persons murdered was the actual target. It may be he hadn't gotten to her yet.

And if one parent dies, the other person almost always gets custody as the surviving parent.

7 posted on 10/27/2002 4:27:26 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
I suspect this angle, the robbery in AL, and the revenge shooting in Tacoma (along with other crimes he may have committed such as extortion, fraud, forgery, etc.) will be downplayed in the criminal trial. His attorneys will need to portray him as a political prisoner who was acting on his calling from Allah, blah, blah, blah.....

Malvo, on the other hand, has no such story to lean on since he is an animist and not muslim. He will undoubtedly, however, get played out as a sad case 'child' whose father abandoned him, blah, blah, blah....

8 posted on 10/27/2002 5:22:22 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Malvo, I suspect, is going to be portrayed as a poor child led astray by a Svengali, the *real* mastermind of the crimes, the evil John Mohammed. Mohammed, as his former divorce/post-divorce lawyer is already portraying him, was driven mad by his ex-wife who wouldn't let him see his children (even though he violated the custody order & concealed the kids for a year & owes thousands in child support--and has a history of violence predating her by years), so it's all her fault.
9 posted on 10/27/2002 5:44:17 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: anniegetyourgun
Clearly this guy would have killed his ex in a heartbeat out of his blinding rage and desire for vengence. And she is a muslim.

Honor killings are OK for muslims. Hiding your true motives to deceive infidels is also OK. Killing infidels is OK. By his standards, John was a righteous dude.

My head is spinning...

10 posted on 10/27/2002 5:45:59 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the heads up!
11 posted on 10/27/2002 6:05:55 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Sabertooth; joanie-f; snopercod
Actually, on the probability table, the shooter was expected to do what is suggested above.

That the shooter would go for a small school, or force a "home invasion," and try to hide behind young people in his final "blaze of glory" was being planned for, as one of the most likely ends.

This gentleman's estimate is the most observant to date.

Again, we should be impressed by the "authorities" and their overlooking him.

Those would be the same "authorities" who were patting each other on the back so much, you'd a thought they were at an awards ceremony last week ... disgusting business.

12 posted on 10/27/2002 7:07:06 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: Sabertooth
this is the most logical scenario yet
13 posted on 10/27/2002 7:14:04 AM PST by Vinomori
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To: gubamyster
bttt
14 posted on 10/27/2002 7:38:58 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: anniegetyourgun
He will undoubtedly, however, get played out as a sad case 'child' whose father abandoned him, blah, blah, blah....

AND remember, a defense might include a homosexual victim(of MUHAMMED), psychological/emotional coercion aspect, as a mitigating factor....

15 posted on 10/27/2002 8:43:35 AM PST by 1234
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Wonder why he didn't kill his infidel partner in crime....
16 posted on 10/27/2002 9:28:28 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Chief Moose just got back at Wolf Blitzer in an interview on CNN. Moose asked Blitzer why CNN did not report to LE that the sniper had made a phone call to them. First time I have seen Moose smile.
17 posted on 10/27/2002 9:45:43 AM PST by TexKat
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To: TexKat
No kidding? You gotta like a guy who has so much contempt for the so-called journalists in this country!
18 posted on 10/27/2002 9:47:29 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Sabertooth
During the interview, Green pointed out that Muhammad's killings ringed the house in Clinton, Md., where Muhammad's former wife and children were living.

Interesting, if it's true.

19 posted on 10/27/2002 10:44:21 AM PST by vikingchick
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To: 1234
BUt He IS. This is where these pathologies of the soul start.

Islam, and especially the weird black permutations, are so dangerous because they feed the beast. It's a cult of narcissism - victimology + false sense of superiority.
20 posted on 10/27/2002 11:19:52 AM PST by SarahW
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