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To: Lion's Cub
Your theory in #38 is part of the equation. It doesn't explain Bush and Ashcroft's willing complicity.

I don't believe that there is any complicity on the part of President Bush and AG Ashcroft. You must understand the pecking order within the Justice Department. There are numerous layers within Justice, and the FBI. I can't remember the number, but within the FBI alone, there are thousands and thousands of employees. Decisions can be made by midlevel management that won't reach the upper levels within Justice in DC, or the AG and most certainly the Oval Office. And field agents can be controlled by midlevel management, and told to drop this investigation or that, and Washington will never know. And remember, this all occurred under the Clinton administration. Under the Clinton justice department. Under Reno. Now tell me. Do you think that Clinton's justice department could be compromised? Remember, what was the one thing that Clinton was striving for to establish his legacy? Mid-East Peace. Peace between Israel and the Arab nations. What would the open knowledge of arab nation sponsored acts of war against the US cause? A US military response to the arab nation or nations that sponsored that act of war. What would US military action against an Arab nation do to middle east peace? Well, it would kill it. Thus killing Clinton's legacy. Therefore, acknowledgement that the OKC bombing was tied to one or more arab group or nation would have killed Clinton's legacy. Therefore, the possibility that the investigation was re-routed another direction. Clinton and Reno are gone. But, many of those midlevel justice operatives are still in place. Their butts are still on the line. President Bush and AG Ashcroft came into office, in the dark, because the lights were turned out on this thing years before Bush and Ashcroft were in positions to look. I believe that if this evidence can ever truely see the light of day, then Bush and Ashcroft will do the right thing. I don't believe that they will cover it up. But they depend on those midlevel Justice operatives. They can only rely on what is given to them. So it will take a congressional review/task force/investigation to ferret out the truth.

But hey, that is just my humble opinion. I have no evidence other than what Jayna has uncovered, and my beliefs. Other than to reiterate again. I was there on 4-19-95. I stood at the lip of the blast crater around 9:45 AM. I ran harder than I have ever run, or will run again, when the fireman popped up out of the rubble and hollered that he had found another possible bomb. (Turns out it was some type of device in the rubble of the ATF office.) I ran to the makeshift command post near the intersection of 7th and Harvey. And I was there when the ranking officers were discussing that fact that witnesses had seen two (2) middle eastern men (actually, I believe the term used was "arab" men) were seen fleeing the Murrah building in a pickup truck, just moments before the bomb went off. I remember, LEOs making statements that it was time for us, the US, to "nuke those damn ra_ heads off the face of the earth". And I remember hearing the LE discussions regarding the APBs and BOLOs that were immediately thereafter released to all of us LEOs. And, I know that there were numerous arabic men that were stopped and detained for questioning the first few hours after the bombing. So, I will always believe, and I will go to my grave with the belief that there were others involved. Was there ME state sponsorship? I don't have first hand knowledge of that. But were McVeigh and Nichols alone? From what I saw, and heard, NO.

93 posted on 11/08/2002 2:34:23 PM PST by yukong
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To: yukong
(Turns out it was some type of device in the rubble of the ATF office.)

Sorry, yukong, you have been misinformed.

99 posted on 11/10/2002 8:28:18 PM PST by honway
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