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"I think, therefore I exist" -- Rene Descartes
Philosophy, An introduction to the Art of Wondering - Sixth Edition -- pages 36/37 | 1994 | James L. Christian

Posted on 11/04/2002 7:52:21 AM PST by thinktwice

Descartes was a geometrician. He found only in mathematics and geometry the certainty that he required. Therefore, he used the methods of geometry to think about the world. Now, in geometry, one begins with a search for axioms, simple undeniable truths – for example, the axiom that a straight line is the shortest distance between two points. On the foundations of such “self-evident” propositions, whole geometrical systems can be built.

Following his geometrical model, Descartes proceeds to doubt everything – de onmibus dubitandum. He will suspend belief in the knowledge he learned from childhood, all those things “which I allowed myself in youth to be persuaded without having inquired into their truth.” Doubt will be his method, a deliberate strategy for proceeding toward certainty. (Descartes is a doubter not by nature, but by necessity. What he really wants is secure understanding so he can stop doubting.)

Descartes finds that he has no trouble doubting the existence of real objects/events – our senses too easily deceive us. And we can doubt the existence of a supernatural realm of reality – figments and fantasies are too often conjured by our native imaginations. But now his geometrical model pays off: in trying to doubt everything, he discovers something that he can’t doubt. What he can’t doubt is that he is doubting. Obviously, I exist if I doubt that I exist. My doubt that I exist proves that I exist, for I have to exist to be able to doubt. Therefore I can’t doubt that I exist. Hence, there is at least one fact in the universe that is beyond doubt. “I am, I exist is necessarily true each time that I pronounce it, or that I mentally conceive it.

Descartes thus becomes the author of the most famous phrase in Western philosophy: Cognito ergo sum, or, in his original French, Je pense, donc je suis. – I think, therefore I exist. With roots in St. Augustine, this is certainly one of the catchiest ideas yet created by the human mind.


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To: thinktwice
What I am doing is showing a contradiction between Rand's metaphisics and her epistemology. Her metaphisics say that the only truth that exists is what we may find through objectivist means. Her epistemology goes on to say that one can only know something that is evident sensorily. That creates the conundrum that what person X may perceive as true cannot be believed by person Y, if Y doesn't have that perception. The materialistic constraints that she places upon the reason of man (no propositional reason allowed) does not allow for the universal truth that she propounds.

That contradiction comes by her position that her mysticism does not allow for anything mysterious.
321 posted on 02/09/2003 1:55:42 PM PST by unspun ("And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and we *saw* His glory....")
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To: unspun
Her metaphisics say that the only truth that exists is what we may find through objectivist means.

In actuality, humans using reason are discovering, revising or disproving truths every day; that includes truths that didn't exist yesterday, and revision or negation of some truths that did exist yesterday ("The earth is the center of the universe," for instance).

Ayn Rand simply states that truth is the recognition of reality, that man's standard for knowing reality is reason, that reality is that which exists, and that which exists is concrete.

Truth, as such, is an abstraction; and you are reifying truth when treating it as a material concrete.

reify ... to treat (an abstraction) as substantially existing, or as a concrete material object -- reification: n

322 posted on 02/09/2003 2:51:00 PM PST by thinktwice
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To: thinktwice
No, truth is always truth, or it wouldn't be truth.

If I may give you the news, if evidence exists that prove that the earth never has been the center of the universe, it never was, no matter who believed it.

Nothing I've said would infer that I believe that truth is concrete, in natural terms. It is universal (or it is not truth). One's inclination to counterintuitively believe otherwise indicates one's fallacy.
323 posted on 02/09/2003 3:10:19 PM PST by unspun (A = A, unqualified)
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To: thinktwice
Scripturally, Job, the oldest book of Scripture has references to Lucifer, Satan, angels and fallen angels.

Demonic possession may be more than a mental state.

Devil as a device of evil independent of God's will.
324 posted on 02/09/2003 3:27:20 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: unspun
Nothing I've said would infer that I believe that truth is concrete, in natural terms. It is universal (or it is not truth). One's inclination to counterintuitively believe otherwise indicates one's fallacy.

Believing and knowing are two different things; beliefs are metaphysically based in mysticism and the term "mystical truth" is an oxymoron -- look up truth and oxymoron to see for yourself -- whereas actually knowing something has a metaphysical basis in reality and the term "universal truth" does apply, until proven otherwise.

325 posted on 02/09/2003 7:49:01 PM PST by thinktwice
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To: Cvengr
Scripturally, Job, the oldest book of Scripture has references to Lucifer, Satan, angels and fallen angels.

That makes me wonder how much was added to the Bible and New Testament during those many dark-age days preceding Guttenberg's printing press, when Catholic monks were accumulating contents for, translating and hand-writing what finally made it into modern Bibles.

The fact that the Devil and a Heaven distinct from Hades were not in Homer's Odyssey leads me to think that those theological touchs were added by monks.

326 posted on 02/09/2003 8:10:46 PM PST by thinktwice
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To: thinktwice
I don't need to relinquish the English language to Objectivist or Logical Positivist constraints and censorship. I'll travel along the tangents you've posted far enough to say that...

1. I know that 2 + 2 = 4. I also believe it. I believe that God exists. I also know it.

2. A truth is actual, whether it is proven through material means or not (facts do not not bend to man). I may believe something that is outside of the physical realm and be wrong or right. If I am wrong, my belief is false. If I am right, my belief in something true.

3. A universal truth cannot be proven otherwise.

(It's not about me.)
(It's not about you.)
327 posted on 02/09/2003 8:11:30 PM PST by unspun (A = A, wherever A is, whatever A refers to.)
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To: unspun
If I am right, my belief [is] in something true.
328 posted on 02/09/2003 8:13:25 PM PST by unspun (A = A, wherever A is, whatever A refers to.)
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To: unspun
3. A universal truth cannot be proven otherwise.

Galileo and Copernicus had major problems with religious courts in their days; and the inquisition made life tough for many more like them -- people that were questioning "universal truths" promulgated by religious types.

Same things going on today in the Islamic world, and it's my hope that this century does not return the human race to anything resembling those "good old days."

329 posted on 02/09/2003 8:29:48 PM PST by thinktwice
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To: thinktwice
Galileo and Copernicus had major problems with religious courts in their days; and the inquisition made life tough for many more like them -- people that were questioning "universal truths" promulgated by religious types.

Know what? Those religious types were wrong about the solar system. This clearly demonstrates that a truth does not bend to what man says, in order to maintain otherwise.

330 posted on 02/09/2003 8:40:44 PM PST by unspun ("And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and we *saw* His glory (matter, substance, weight)....)
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To: unspun
This clearly demonstrates that a truth does not bend to what man says

"Truth" that is metaphysically based in mysticism -- where concepts are not integrated using reason -- seldom passes the test of time; and when such "truth" fails the test of reason, it generally does bend to what man says ...

But "truth" metaphysically based in reality, being epistemologically based in reason, seldom fails over time -- with new such truths often making it into textbooks and advancing humanity further beyond those conditions associated with the dark ages.

331 posted on 02/09/2003 9:27:01 PM PST by thinktwice
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To: thinktwice
Job is considerably older than Homer and extant manuscripts were written much closer to their original author than the Iliad.
332 posted on 02/10/2003 3:59:16 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: thinktwice
Any thought that does not accurately reflect actual fact never has been, nor will be, truth.
333 posted on 02/10/2003 5:36:48 AM PST by unspun
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To: thinktwice
It is not about you.
334 posted on 02/10/2003 5:37:18 AM PST by unspun
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To: Hank Kerchief
I assure you Ayn Rand never made such an assertion, did not believe such a thing, and never said anything that could be interpreted to mean this.

Why do you say this? If she was anything, she was a materialist.

This begins with nonsense, "There is, then, the obvious problem of knowing that our impressions are true representations of reality...." What is meant be reality? If reality is something other than what we are conscious of, how did the writer learn about it? He couldn't have. There is no gap.

There is a logical problem. How can I know in principle, at this moment, with absolute certainty that what I am experiencing is not a mirage? In a strictly materialist worldview, at any given moment, all memory and experience must logically be viewed with skepticism, so there is not even that to fall back on. There simply is no logical reason why I should trust my senses.

This stands in contrast with the Aristotelian/Thomist position that sensation is ultimately an immanent activity and in the act of understanding, the form of the thing known becomes one with the mind of the knower. Therefore, logically, there is no gap between the knower and thing known.

335 posted on 02/10/2003 6:02:09 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
Bump for later read.
336 posted on 02/10/2003 6:06:19 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Hank Kerchief
There is no 'essence' of cat

There isn't? But your sentence assumes that I understand what you mean by the word, "cat," a term which refers in essence to "a small carnivorous mammal (Felis catus or F. domesticus) domesticated since early times as a catcher of rats and mice and as a pet and existing in several distinctive breeds and varieties." Definition implies logical species or nature or essence.

337 posted on 02/10/2003 6:09:41 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: thinktwice
As products of the split between man's soul and body

There is no "split" except at death. The soul is the act of the body.

From this quote it doesn't appear that Rand understood Aristotle's conception of act and potency.

338 posted on 02/10/2003 6:16:24 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: LogicWings
If there were error, that was in fact, all pervasive and undetectable, then it would be invisible to us and irrelevant for all intents and purposes.

Last time for everybody. Rand (and all materialists) have no logical, coherent, non-contradictory explanation for the trustworthiness of our senses.

339 posted on 02/10/2003 6:19:51 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan; LogicWings; thinktwice
You quoted my quote of LogicWings: There is no 'essence' of cat

Then you said: There isn't? But your sentence assumes that I understand what you mean by the word, "cat," a term which refers in essence to "a small carnivorous mammal (Felis catus or F. domesticus) domesticated since early times as a catcher of rats and mice and as a pet and existing in several distinctive breeds and varieties." Definition implies logical species or nature or essence.

If you meant by "essence" nothing more than, "those characteristics that differentiate a cat from other animals," the word essence would be fine. You and Aristotle and Aquinas all regard "essence" as more than an abstract concept. You regard essence as some kind of metaphysical reality. Essence has meaning only epistemologically. To make it more than that is exactly what LogicWings meant, it is reification.

Hank

340 posted on 02/10/2003 7:57:31 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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