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Europe on the brink of collapse
Scotland Sunday ^ | 10/27/02

Posted on 11/04/2002 3:40:00 PM PST by wideawake

The Euro-zone is in a spiral of self-destruction as its crisis-hit economy heads from bad to worse

BY ITS own hand the economic life is being squeezed from Europe.

Collapsing confidence, tumbling stock markets and a sickly currency take second place to a spectacular public row between the president of the European Commission and the European Central Bank on whether the central pillar of policy is "stupid" or "indispensable for economic and monetary union".

Even by the standards of the "fudge and mudge" political culture that has long prevailed in Europe, it is hard to believe it has sunk to this.

Pork-barrel spending or utterly inflexible central bank rules: one or the other of these roaring dinosaurs will have to give. But in this epic battle it is the economic future of Europe that is giving first.

While this battle rages, the Euro-zone economy is going from bad to worse. It was hardly surprising that many missed the devastating one-word summary of the German economy by the country’s equivalent of the CBI last week: "catastrophic".

From the bottom to the top, but especially at the top, Europe is in a deepening mess. The international economic downturn has contributed to continental woes. But that downturn is not the cause, or the proximate cause, of Europe’s stunning reversal of fortune.

The cause is a self-destruction wrought by a political elite that has wrapped itself in fantastical self-delusion about the superiority of its economic system, the coming ascendancy of the single currency over the dollar, and the tide of wealth and prosperity that would inevitably flow from the relentless pursuit of "ever closer union". Here, on an epic scale, has been a procession of naked emperors who cannot begin to grasp why the world has stopped applauding.

For the Euro-zone, the applause stopped long ago. In the cacophony that passes for policy coherence there has come an absurd but utterly predictable result: far from the euro providing greater stability and a platform for better performance as its apologists claimed, the economies inside the Euro-zone are now faring worse than those outside.

This year will be the third in succession that the economies of the EU 15 have in aggregate outperformed the Euro 12. For this year and next it looks set to be the case that Britain, in GDP growth terms, is better off out. Those five economic tests behind which the government has hidden should be stripped away to show a glaring, humbling truth: if it’s economic performance you want, you’re better off out.

Nothing has more exposed the myth of the superior continental economic model than the flight of capital out of the Euro-zone and the stock market collapses this year. They have been breathtaking in their severity. At one point this month the German stock market was showing a collapse of 70% from its peak, double the percentage fall in the Dow Jones. The full consequences of the destruction of savings on such a scale and at such a pace have only just begun to make themselves felt.

Barely a week now passes without another red pencil taken to forecasts for economic growth in the Euro-zone. Last Friday, it was the turn of the National Institute for Economic & Social Research. As if 1.4% growth last year was not slow enough, it now forecasts that the Euro-zone will only manage growth of 0.9% this year and 2.1% next.

As for Germany, which accounts for about a third of output in the zone, GDP will rise by only 0.4% this year, and by 1.7% next, a shadow of the subdued growth in America - the economy that Europe so despises. On Monday, the keenly awaited Ifo index of business confidence is set to show a further fall for the fifth month running. On top of slowing demand, German business now has to contend with a coalition that has proffered yet more of the disease as the cure: yet more tax.

It is not the world slowdown that has caused this performance collapse, but the interaction of entirely self-inflicted wounds: over-regulated labour markets, a relentless rise in the government share of the economy, a growing tax burden, regulation out of every orifice and a desperate rearguard action against all and every attempt to dismantle state aid and subsidies. The same clique that greeted the bursting of America’s new economy bubble as proof of the flawed Anglo-Saxon model is the same one that, now their own economy has fallen into a far deeper slowdown than that in the US, turns to blaming US policymakers for not doing enough to pull the rest of the world including the EU out of the mire. To listen to Europe’s political elite is to hear the pathetic cry of the bankrupt that someone else spent all the money. As for Germany, the powerhouse of the 1950s and 1960s has long given way to lethargy and laziness. Reds and Greens attack what is left of a once proud enterprise culture. They declaim their country in the Bundesrat like latter-day Tom Paines. But truly, it is they who pity the plumage and forget the dying bird.

Despite all this it has long been the belief of EU apologists in Britain that if only we engaged "at the centre of Europe" we would "win the argument" and slow the drive to ever closer union and ever greater centralism. But this is to ignore the fact that there are large sections of opinion in continental Europe that do not share the political and economic attitudes of the Anglo Saxon world one iota. Indeed, not even in the disintegration of the Growth and Stability Pact is there much cause for British reformists to cheer. It was Prodi no less, who repeated his call last week for "a single economic government for all countries that share the same money", with more power to the Commission to enforce a Stability Pact duly doctored to his liking.

This call was echoed by members of the EU’s latest triumph of hope over experience, the Convention on the Future of Europe, whose economic committee called for the introduction of qualified majority voting on tax harmonisation and for strengthened economic co-ordination between the member states.

As the economist Stephen Lewis eloquently argues: "In the circumstances it is questionable whether UK ambitions in the EU are realistic."

In any event, there is no guarantee, he adds, that what emerges from the current crippling stand-off between Prodi and a European Central Bank that seems bent on holding out against interest rate cuts until the incipient recession has turned into the full-blown type, will be a substantial improvement.

It is the basic principles on which this monetary union rests that are deeply flawed. No amount of dissemblage about five economic tests makes up for the failure to recognise and attack the profound structural and conceptual flaws that lie behind this currency union and the crisis that has developed within it, one not of performance merely, but of survival. Here was a construct that was never an end in itself but an instrument intended to drive ahead towards "ever closer union" and it is that drive, and the Bonapartian vanity behind it, that is leading Europe to ruin.

Some take comfort this weekend from the news that Peter Hain, the government’s "Mr Europe" has been moved to the Welsh Office. But the balance of influence in the Cabinet has moved if anything in favour of the pro-Euro camp. If that is good news, at least one does not need to look too far to see what bad news is like.


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The told-you-so Europeans getting their economic comeuppance. You can't have your anti-American cake and eat it too.
1 posted on 11/04/2002 3:40:00 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Well Gosh Golly Gee .. sure doesn't sound like things are working out the way they planned huh?? ..snicker
2 posted on 11/04/2002 3:42:59 PM PST by Mo1
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To: wideawake
I heard that during WWII they were down to eating rats. When it gets that bad on the,"continent", let me know and I'll send them some of our DemocRATS.
3 posted on 11/04/2002 3:47:32 PM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: Mo1
I remember reading an article a couple of years back about how Italy would have to keep inflation below 3% per annum in order to qualify for Euro membership.

I also remember laughing out loud when I read it.

The whole thing was a pipe dream from the beginning.

4 posted on 11/04/2002 3:50:22 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
this is to ignore the fact that there are large sections of opinion in continental Europe that do not share the political and economic attitudes of the Anglo Saxon world one iota

Let's all hoist one for the Anglo-Saxon world.

5 posted on 11/04/2002 3:51:14 PM PST by BfloGuy
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To: wideawake
Month-long vacations, fully paid government health care, unemployment in double digits (no limit on unemployment pay). etc., etc.

These idiots think they can ignore arithmetic.

They are doomed ... to a long depression or worse.
6 posted on 11/04/2002 3:53:50 PM PST by aculeus
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To: wideawake
The whole thing was a pipe dream from the beginning

Well I did also .. but sometimes like with children .. they have to learn the hard way

I'm just wondering when they'll start talking nice about us again .. cause you know they'll come looking for help .. they always do

7 posted on 11/04/2002 3:54:14 PM PST by Mo1
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To: wideawake
Well, when the new EUORPA comes tumbeling down and they start shooting at each other (Again) I think mabey we should just sit the next "War to end all wars" OUT.
We can go see whats left when the dust settles.
8 posted on 11/04/2002 3:54:15 PM PST by Pompah
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To: wideawake
When Kyoto starts taking a bite out of their economies, it will be like pushing down on the accelerator, as they head towards catastrophe.
9 posted on 11/04/2002 3:54:49 PM PST by Number_Cruncher
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To: aculeus
Good news for America...
10 posted on 11/04/2002 3:56:33 PM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: wideawake
Larry Kudlow refers to the new currency as the "Europeso".
Isn't any criticism of the EU considered "hate speech" over there?

Micromanagement of every little detail on the whole continent by a collection of bureaucrats in Brussels is only going to result in disaster. Either the Euro's come to their senses or they may fall for yet another demagogue.

11 posted on 11/04/2002 3:58:15 PM PST by Fred Hayek
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To: BfloGuy
"Let's all hoist one for the Anglo-Saxon world."

Anglo-Saxons rule!

12 posted on 11/04/2002 4:00:39 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Lurking2Long
Good news for America...

Not really; I'll wager that we are going to the same place that Europe is going, albeit via a slightly different route.

13 posted on 11/04/2002 4:01:03 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: wideawake
This was so easy to see coming, no crystal ball needed.

History repeats itself, again, no one listening, as usual with the Eurotrash.
14 posted on 11/04/2002 4:01:09 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: wideawake
How can the US capitalize on this and make their situation worse and not hurt us?
16 posted on 11/04/2002 4:05:35 PM PST by Pushi
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hmmm. 1 Euro = .997 dollars.

Sounds like they could almost plug in US stats for everything in that article.

I think the only losers are the germans, whose got shafted by converting to Euros.

In any event, I'm sure they're mad they don't have the dollar rendered worthless. They just might be running scared...no wonder they don't want to allow Turkey in. But then again according to several people on FR, Turkey never has tried to join the EU. In fact they got angry when I mentioned it. weirdos.

17 posted on 11/04/2002 4:07:30 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: aculeus
They've had it very good for a very long time - the most important statistics on this I've ever seen:

2000 EU population: 380 million

2000 US population: 280 million

2000 EU GDP: 6.4 trillion

2000 US GDP: 10 trillion

In other words, the average European produces $0.49 in value for every $1 an American does.

18 posted on 11/04/2002 4:07:59 PM PST by wideawake
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To: KneelBeforeZod
Turkey is certainly trying to enter the EU. They've applied for membership in the next round of candidates quite publically and officially.

I'll back you up on that.

19 posted on 11/04/2002 4:09:24 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
I thought we'd have to fight harder to convince the British public to leave the EU. And then, well, the Euro zone self-destructs on its own.

Regards, Ivan

20 posted on 11/04/2002 4:10:37 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Pushi
We are capitalizing on it. It's becoming too expensive for Europeans to manufacture things in their countries. They're shifting production more and more to the US (jobs for Americans) and are buying more and more comparatively inexpensive US goods.

However, China is stealing our lunch in this department. We're only helped by the fact that the disease of socialism in our country is not in as advanced a stage as in Europe.

The only thing European companies have an advantage in, compared to the US, is tort law.

21 posted on 11/04/2002 4:13:37 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
I'll wager that we are going to the same place that Europe is going, albeit via a slightly different route.

Different hand-cart - Same warm destination.

22 posted on 11/04/2002 4:14:01 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: MadIvan
The UK could come out of this smelling like a rose - the perfect financial intermediary between the EU and the US.
23 posted on 11/04/2002 4:15:45 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Mo1
"I was just wondering when they will start talking about us nice again, cause you know they'll come looking for help...they always do"

Boy, isn't that the truth.

Q: What do the europeans call americans who offer them advice about free-market economics?

A: cowboy redneck imperialists.

Q: What do the europeans call americans who are reluctant to bail them out of their latest economic/cultural catastrophe?

A: Evil isolationists

They may hate us, but in their hearts they know that we're right....and that they lack the cahones to emulate us.

24 posted on 11/04/2002 4:17:44 PM PST by quebecois
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To: aculeus
"Month-long vacations, fully paid government health care, unemployment in double digits (no limit on unemployment pay). etc., etc."
"These idiots think they can ignore arithmetic."

And guess what? Oregon thinks the can do the same thing and make it work where everwhere else it has been tried that system has failed.
I heard that businesses and companies are going to flee the state and all the sick and disabled and every other kind of sickness and disease will flock there.
They'll all hold hands and have fun in Oregon until Noah enters the ark...then..

25 posted on 11/04/2002 4:18:52 PM PST by KriegerGeist
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To: Godebert
mega bump
26 posted on 11/04/2002 4:19:50 PM PST by junta
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To: MadIvan
"I thought that we'd have to try harder to convince the British public to leave the EU"

Keep those RAF spitfires warmed up. If the UK leaves that sinking ship, there is no telling what the continentals will do (does the UK have an emergency plan to flood the chunnel?)

27 posted on 11/04/2002 4:21:42 PM PST by quebecois
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To: wideawake
Cause & Effect.
28 posted on 11/04/2002 4:24:10 PM PST by gitmo
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To: quebecois
You're right that we are a significant cash cow for the EU. God give us the courage of Switzerland and Norway, who have stayed out.

Regards, Ivan

29 posted on 11/04/2002 4:24:15 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Geist Krieger
can't wait to see the results of the OR elections. In a sick, selfish way, I hope they do pass the freebies, then we can use them as a cautionary tale. Apparently Canda, that thing that borders us all along our northern side, hasn't opened enough eyes.
30 posted on 11/04/2002 4:24:27 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: aculeus
They are doomed ... to a long depression or worse.

They and Americans will be fine on one condition: that they have 2 children plus per family so they will survive. Otherwise Muslims will take their place.

All other things are details.

31 posted on 11/04/2002 4:26:13 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: wideawake
I hope so! I'm an Anglophile!
32 posted on 11/04/2002 4:26:46 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: A. Pole
Bingo! You and I and Pat Buchanan and the people at "quiverfull.com" and Vision Forum know it ... the future belongs to those who are there to see it, and it AIN'T gonna be French, Italians, Spanish, Germans, etc., etc., etc. Only Turks and Albanians, Moroccans and Algerians ... And it won't be anything resembling today's Americans unless they get the message before they reach the mathematical point of no return.

The future is Hispanic, Asian, African, Indian, Moslem, under today's trends. Maybe they'll be Republican?
33 posted on 11/04/2002 4:35:33 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: wideawake
Another socialist success story.


34 posted on 11/04/2002 4:39:49 PM PST by Fintan
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To: wideawake
That's a great stat -- one that could come in handy when bickering with socialist euroboobs and other riff raff. Do you have a source?
35 posted on 11/04/2002 4:40:52 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: greasyHeart
I'll tell ya... Those people -- the Brits and Europeans in general -- make The Godfather Saga or The Sopranos look like a Saturday morning kiddie cartoon. Those people have some seriously nutty blood in their veins...

"Those people" are us. We live under the uniquely American delusion that we have no connection to the civilization that gave us birth: the West. In reality, we are no different; we just happen to be lucky in a number of respects in regards to our recent history. This isn't going to last. Europe simply has more history than we have; history doesn't move in a straight line. When we have had as many centuries of history as Europe has had, we won't be in any position to point fingers at them. In fact, our recent finger pointings are looking more and more hypocritical.

36 posted on 11/04/2002 4:41:59 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: wideawake
I can't tell you how much I enjoyed reading this article. I loathe Europeans--sans the Brits whom I barely tolerate. Seeing their economy tank is music to my eyes. I especially relish the demise of the Kraut and Frency economies--two of our greatest enemies.
37 posted on 11/04/2002 4:46:50 PM PST by Cautor
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The future is Hispanic, Asian, African, Indian, Moslem, under today's trends. Maybe they'll be Republican?

No, but that's no problem to the usual suspects: they will simply redefine what "Republican" means. These are the same folks venting gas about Third World immigrants having "family values". Yes, in the sense that they outbreed us (and get support for same from our tax dollars), they have "family values". Islamic fundamentalists are very conservative and have "family values"; Latin American narco-terrorists and their Indian peasant supporters have "family values" (spiced with a little "liberation theology"); I doubt either of them are going to either be "Republican" or to otherwise do anything positive towards the survival of the West.

38 posted on 11/04/2002 4:51:32 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Yardstick
These are the official EU stats on GDP.

Got my population numbers and US GDP from the CIA World Factbook.

39 posted on 11/04/2002 4:55:51 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Superb. Thanks.
40 posted on 11/04/2002 5:00:07 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
I disagree - the Europeans are us, but the US has siphoned off a significant proportion of the Europeans who had an entrepreneurial spirit.

Whenever I go to Europe, I'm always fascinated by how akin I feel to them and how distant, simultaneously.

We will either quickly combust or be gloriously reborn, our culture is too fast-paced to replicate Europe's modulated decline.

41 posted on 11/04/2002 5:01:18 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
sickly currency

"Sickly currency"? Are they kidding? The Euro is about to smash through parity with the dollar again, and I have made a fortune buying Euro futures this year.

42 posted on 11/04/2002 5:02:55 PM PST by montag813
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To: montag813
The euro was never supposed to descend to parity with the dollar in the first place.

The fact that it trades in the dollar's range is an embarrassment to the Eurocrats who had originally projected a $1.25 euro by now.

43 posted on 11/04/2002 5:05:36 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
That's precisely the kind of thinking which always bothers me whenever I hear conservatives ranting and raving about the "evil Europeans". Yes, we have a more free market oriented culture. We are also more materialistic, more crass, and more culturally deprived. As many have remarked, America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence without an intervening period of civilization. As I said earlier, there is more than one way of going down the toilet. Europe is taking its route there, and we are taking ours. This doesn't give us any reason to gloat.
44 posted on 11/04/2002 5:05:47 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: wideawake
When are we going to press for all the EU states votes to be consolidated into merely one solitary UN vote like our 50 states have?
45 posted on 11/04/2002 5:06:51 PM PST by michigander
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Isn't it amazing, with the future of Western Civilization in grave danger, that on an ostensibly conservative message board, we actually have people gloating about misforunes in Europe?
46 posted on 11/04/2002 5:10:50 PM PST by Phillip Augustus
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
I have to agree with you on that one. We are regulating all industry out of America, including resource dependent industries like mining, farming, fishing and forestry.Manufacturing jobs? Fegeddaboutit. We are flooding job markets with illegal or third world workers who drive wages down, through taxes we encourage business to locate in foreign countries, we cannot educate our children well enough to read themselves out of a paper bag, and we are forcing property ownership out of existance by using easements and non-conforming property rules to phase people out of single family residential properties. So the only place people will have to live is in high density high rise apartments. Sounds like Europe and their "think small" attitudes.
47 posted on 11/04/2002 5:13:01 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: aculeus
Month-long vacations, fully paid government health care, unemployment in double digits (no limit on unemployment pay). etc., etc. These idiots think they can ignore arithmetic.

Leftists have no understanding of human nature and they lack comon sense. This will be their undoing.

48 posted on 11/04/2002 5:14:40 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Phillip Augustus
Isn't it amazing, with the future of Western Civilization in grave danger,...

You'll excuse me if I don't share your pessimism.

49 posted on 11/04/2002 5:18:56 PM PST by michigander
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
There's quite a bit of talk about how culturally deprived we Americans are.

I honestly don't see it.

When you look at French or German bestseller lists, self-help books and books on football and cuisine are perennial winners. Not much different from Americans.

Martin Amis is no greater a novelist than Updike. Amelie is no more impressive a cinematic achievement than Moonstruck. An empty room with one flickering track light is no more profound than the Photorealist school.

The Europeans are no longer great generators of cultural artifacts - they are connoisseurs of their own and others'.

Their plastic arts and literature have been as degraded by postmodernity as America's.

50 posted on 11/04/2002 5:19:18 PM PST by wideawake
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