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To: freddy
We're not a manufacturing-based economy anymore. We're also no longer an agricultural economy. Lots of jobs were lost when we transitioned from those economies. Boo hoo hoo.

Perhaps you think toiling in a field or a factory is the path to fortune, the makings of 'a good life'? No thanks. I'll take innovation over (labor) organization and gladly leave the former economies to machines and the Chinese.

7 posted on 11/04/2002 5:42:16 PM PST by Justa
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To: Justa
I'll take innovation over (labor) organization and gladly leave the former economies to machines and the Chinese.

And what will you do with all of the people? Dotcoms maybe? The Roman empire had this problem. They collapsed.

9 posted on 11/04/2002 5:45:13 PM PST by templar
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WEALTH: The net ownership of material possessions and productive resources. In other words, the difference between physical and financial assets that you own and the liabilities that you owe. Wealth includes all of the tangible consumer stuff that you possess, like cars, houses, clothes, jewelry, etc.; any financial assets, like stocks, bonds, bank accounts, that you lay claim to; and your ownership of resources, including labor, capital, and natural resources. Of course, you must deduct any debts you owe.

VALUE ADDED: The increase in the value of a good at each stage of the production process. The value that's being increased is specifically the ability of a good to satisfy wants and needs either directly as a consumption good or indirectly as a capital good. A good that provides greater satisfaction has greater value. In essence, the whole purpose of production is to transform raw materials and natural resources that have relatively little value into goods and services that have greater value.

SERVICE: An activity that provides direct satisfaction of wants and needs without the production of a tangible product or good. Examples include information, entertainment, and education. This term good should be contrasted with the term good, which involves the satisfaction of wants and needs with tangible items. You're likely to see the plural combination of these two into a single phrase, "goods and services," to indicate the wide assortment of economic production from the economy's scarce resources.

Wealth is created only by engaging in value-added activities. By the same token, Service sector activities do not create wealth, they merely transfer, redistribute and eventually dissipate wealth as consumption. Thus, as value-added activities move offshore and the U.S. labor force shifts to the Service Sector, wealth is dissipated, not created. And the U.S. standard of living declines as a result.
13 posted on 11/04/2002 5:46:13 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Justa
I'll take innovation over (labor) organization and gladly leave the former economies to machines and the Chinese.

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Please provide us with a list of what you have innovated this year.

28 posted on 11/04/2002 9:43:10 PM PST by RLK
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To: Justa
I'll bet you've never set foot on a new modern hi-tech machine shop. The technology would blow you away. Not everyone out there can afford an ivy league degree. Not everyone out there has the desire to work in a cubicle and make a tall stack of paper shorter at the end of the day.

What about the tens of thousands of kids who graduate from H.S. each year and maybe are not that skilled to get a "hi-tech" job or a job in telecommunications.

I know of several young guys that prefer "working with their hands" and like to see something in the physical realm for their 8 hours work at the end of the day. Since 9 out of 10 mom and pop machine shops and tool making shops have been put out of business in the NE in the last 15 years, these kids have no secure jobs to step into. The few tool making jobs that are around pay VERY good, good enough for mommy to stay home with the kids if she so chooses.

Yea "we're not a manufacturing based economy any more"
No sh!t....thanks to ""free trade".

Free trade hs a very high price.

My friends in the few remaining tool shops are pulling down 70,000 or more a year.....not bad for working in a quiet, well lit, air conditioned shopas well as not having a degree.

One problem with your statement is this: What exactly have we transitioned to? Ask the .commers how secure their jobs are. They're all working three Mcjobs now to survive. It really sucks NOT having a manufacturing base to fall back on.

Don't take this personally, but you're statements are not based on reality.
32 posted on 11/05/2002 5:25:49 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: Justa
I'll take innovation over (labor) organization and gladly leave the former economies to machines and the Chinese.

Just imagine what would happen if a couple of those countries decide to impose an embargo/sanctions on America for a few months or so.

47 posted on 11/05/2002 8:26:05 AM PST by A. Pole
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