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Anti-Noise Group Honked-Off At Noisy Hot Rods
CNSNews.com ^ | October 5, 2002 | Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 11/05/2002 7:34:37 AM PST by H8DEMS

(CNSNews.com) - A national organization devoted to fighting noise pollution has taken its battle to the streets, to combat loud exhaust systems installed in cars after they are sold.

Noise Free America spokesman Mark Huber says the manufacturers of hot rod mufflers are selling a product that is "lawlessly terrorizing" neighborhoods across America.

The Richmond, Va.-based group insists that noise pollution is a serious health hazard. It mentions hearing damage, sleep deprivation, aggression, chronic fatigue and high blood pressure as specific maladies stemming from our noisy world.

Noise Free America recently awarded Flowmaster, Inc., a manufacturer of high- performance, after-market mufflers and exhaust systems, with its Noisy Dozen award, an "honor" given to the nation's worst noise polluters.

According to Huber, Flowmaster was singled out for aggressively marketing products that bother people and are even illegal in some states. He said Flowmaster and other companies that distribute the noisy mufflers systems specifically boast about the "deep aggressive tone" or "deep throaty rumble" that their products produce.

A diverse cross-section of teens and twenty-somethings are installing the equipment that sells for thousands of dollars.

An article in Flowmaster's customer magazine, Power Press, acknowledges that there's a strong demand for loud exhaust systems: "Market surveys continually show...that many buyers purchase a Flowmaster system because of its unique and distinctive sound."

But Huber said he sees nothing desirable in Flowmaster's product line.

"For some reason, both fans of after-market exhausts and 'boom cars' seem to be obsessed with the lower frequency noises, which can disturb more people at a greater distance in all directions from their vehicle," he said. "Sounds of a lower pitch or frequency travel further and penetrate solids, such as windows and exterior walls of homes more easily than sounds of a higher pitch."

Illegal equipment

According to Huber, it is completely legal for manufacturers such as Flowmaster to market and sell their exhaust systems. However, he said, as soon as the car owner installs the equipment and hits the road, that car owner could be breaking the law.

Huber said approximately 40 states prohibit the modification of exhaust systems contrary to factory specifications. Virginia is one such state, he said.

Virginia's State Code (Sec. 46.2-1049) specifically states, "No person shall drive and no owner of a motor vehicle shall permit or allow the operation of any vehicle on a highway unless it is equipped with an exhaust system of a type installed as standard factory equipment, or comparable to that designed for use on the particular vehicle as standard factory equipment, in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise."

But he said local and state police are lax in their enforcement of the state code in cases where vehicles equipped with noisy after-market exhaust systems are clearly in violation of the law.

Contrary to Huber's observation, Virginia State Police spokesman Sergeant Morris said the law enforcement officers statewide are cracking down on illegally installed exhaust systems; it's just that some counties don't enforce the law as strictly as others, he said.

"Different people have different things that they go after, fortunately or unfortunately," Morris said. "They have some police officers in Chesterfield County who are sticklers for those mufflers."

He said Chesterfield County's local police force writes a lot of tickets for vehicles with noisy mufflers because the devices are not standard factory equipment, nor are they compatible with standard factory equipment, as state code mandates.

However, Morris said judges in Virginia's county court system often rule against officers who issued tickets for noise violations. "Some will convict, some won't," he said.

Assault on freedom

Huber believes that people who purchase noisy mufflers see them as "some sort of extension of their personality that they want to share with the whole world."

"That's where the line is crossed," he said. "That's where they take away my freedom and they rob quiet off of my property and out of my personal space."

Aside from being a threat to public safety and an assault on the quality of life, Huber believes the tailpipe rumblings also affect the property values of homes within earshot of the hot rods.

He pointed to studies showing that homes located near airports lose almost two percent of their property value per decibel level emitted by jumbo jets. Similarly, he said, owners of vehicles that produce "aggressive, muscle car sound" may decrease the value of homes.

Noise Free America takes a grassroots approach to noise pollution. It lobbies politicians, even supplying model legislation, to address what it perceives as a health problem.

Flowmaster defends its products

"We have been in the business for over 20 years - and not by advocating that people break the law," said a Flowmaster spokesman who refused to identify himself to CNSNews.com . "That's why we make off-road products and products for street and emission vehicles as well."

According to the Flowmaster spokesman, the company designs exhaust systems for "race cars" based on the good-faith assumption that they will be installed on track-based race cars - not open-road passenger vehicles.

However, he said, "People, when they buy their cars and trucks, are free to do whatever they want, to a point. They go beyond that, oftentimes, and get in trouble."


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Until now, I really thought a Honda Civic was a race car. The drivers of those rice burners sure think they are. It's almost guaranteed that any car with a thunderous oversized tailpipe will be weaving in and out of traffic and speeding, too.

Huber believes that people who purchase noisy mufflers see them as "some sort of extension of their personality that they want to share with the whole world."

1 posted on 11/05/2002 7:34:38 AM PST by H8DEMS
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To: H8DEMS
CARS?????

It's the motorcycles that make the most noise.

2 posted on 11/05/2002 7:39:43 AM PST by MissMillie
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To: H8DEMS
Mr. Huber is being far too loud. He's disturbing me.

3 posted on 11/05/2002 7:47:51 AM PST by JakeWyld
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To: H8DEMS
.....Mark Huber says the manufacturers of hot rod mufflers are selling a product that is "lawlessly terrorizing" neighborhoods across America.

Yeah. And ain't it great?

Apparently now a loud muffler is a terrorist act. Hyperbole doesn't even begin to describe today's political atmosphere. Next they'll be saying that using loud mufflers causes cancer, heart attacks and tooth decay.

4 posted on 11/05/2002 7:50:35 AM PST by Seruzawa
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To: H8DEMS
A free flowing exhaust actually boosts an engines horsepower. Flowmaster has an excellent product and makes the V-8 motor sound beautiful.
5 posted on 11/05/2002 7:50:59 AM PST by 38special
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To: H8DEMS
"That's where they take away my freedom and they rob quiet off of my property and out of my personal space."

I agree with him. I wish he would begin with the barking dogs at 3 AM, however.

Whoever invents the device that stops sound waves at the property line will be wealthier than Gates, Buffet, and Perot combined.

6 posted on 11/05/2002 7:54:37 AM PST by bankwalker
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To: H8DEMS
Stereo systems are a bigger nuisance. There are few things more annoying than one of these aholes driving by playing their crap and setting off car alarms in the middle of the night. Shooting said drivers should not bring serious punishment. Maybe picking up other litter from the streets. LoL.
7 posted on 11/05/2002 7:56:20 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: H8DEMS
I happen to like the "muscle car sound" coming from a well tuned V-8. They are no louder than most motorcycles or semi's.

Sounds like this guy Huber may be testosterone challenged.

8 posted on 11/05/2002 7:58:40 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: Seruzawa
Heart attacks, high blood pressure, jumpiness and anxiety are sufficient cause to ban this junk. Or require them to be driven only within a sound proof bubble within urban areas. Hmmmm, maybe civil suits could be used to stop it.
9 posted on 11/05/2002 7:58:42 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Dead Corpse
More likely sleep challenged.
10 posted on 11/05/2002 7:59:29 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: MissMillie
And everybody knows what the Freudian spin is on that...as confirmed by Bruce Springsteen. Noisy vechicles of whatever catagory are driven by people who just don't care that other people are imposed and intruded upon, as long as he, the driver, gets noticed. Ditto for those sternum-jolting car audio systems that will leave their owners deaf within five years. Some people have no other means of getting attention. I have theorized that the people who drive these things or who have those car audio set-ups were ignored by their mothers at critical points in their infant-toddler development, and they spend the rest of their lives trying to reclaim "her" attention.
11 posted on 11/05/2002 8:00:28 AM PST by 3AngelaD
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To: H8DEMS
Hey, I thought this was a free country!! Boy, was I a dope.

You can't do, say, or have anything any more without offending some whining, cry-baby, bleeding heart who has nothing better to do then scream about how everyone one else should be living thier lives!
12 posted on 11/05/2002 8:00:43 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: justshutupandtakeit
We've only got one a$$hole in our neighborhood with a loud stereo/street racer rice grinder who's a problem.

He was working on his car one day and I went over and had a bit of a chat with him. Nothing major, but I got the point across that quite a few of us on the street were getting a little annoyed at having him come home in the wee hours with the bass rattling the windows.

Haven't heard him since. 'Course, I'm twice his size. That may have helped make the proper impression. ;-)

13 posted on 11/05/2002 8:02:58 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: justshutupandtakeit; HELLRAISER II
351 with FlowMasters checking in. My daily driver rattles windows. Any lawyers feeling froggy enough to try and make me stop driving it, come on down. I love pulling up at the light when the car next to me is playing loud rap. Drowns it out completely
14 posted on 11/05/2002 8:03:16 AM PST by billbears
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To: H8DEMS
Until now, I really thought a Honda Civic was a race car. The drivers of those rice burners sure think they are.

What I don't understand is, by the time you've lowered it, put the spoiler on the back, put the fancy gold rims on it, redone the exhaust system to get that coffee-can-full-of-metal-washers sound, put in the 40,000 watt stereo system with eight subwoofers, tinted the windows jet black, and put the neon lights all over the thing...you've spent enough money that you could have just bought a decent damn car in the first place. What sense does that make?

Go figure ;)

15 posted on 11/05/2002 8:03:52 AM PST by general_re
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To: Carbonsteel
Boy, was I a dope

You said it, not me.

Make all the noise you want, just keep it outta my ears or I'll come and take a dump on your kitchen table.

16 posted on 11/05/2002 8:04:04 AM PST by bankwalker
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Myself, I hear a lot more disturbing late night noise from the idiots with the thump-thump speakers.

But I am disturbed by the growing propaganda that equates oppressing somebody else with creating more "freedom".

17 posted on 11/05/2002 8:04:10 AM PST by Seruzawa
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To: 3AngelaD
Nah. Just the Tim Taylor "More Power" syndrome. Causes an adrenal rush that is addictive.

Attention? Not in my case. Two of the fastest cars I've owned have been "sleepers". Cars that look stock until they come off the line and leave you in the dust.

Mostly a guy thing.

18 posted on 11/05/2002 8:05:35 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: 3AngelaD
Noisy vechicles of whatever catagory are driven by people who just don't care that other people are imposed and intruded upon, as long as he, the driver, gets noticed

I have to disagree with you. I rebuilt my engine for performance. Certain sound restrictions through smaller pipes limit air flow and in turn my performance. My car can sound loud but at idle it is a low rumble. You tell me how to reproduce 500 pure HP without the rumble and I'll consider it. We don't all live in cities with small roads and tight traffic. Some of us live in the country where you can stretch what the car does

19 posted on 11/05/2002 8:08:07 AM PST by billbears
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To: Seruzawa
Myself, I hear a lot more disturbing late night noise from the idiots with the thump-thump speakers.

I agree. If it is any consolation.... you can know that those low frequencies (100hz and lower) will really damage their hearing. When they are our age they'll likely be wearing hearing aids. (government funded hearing aids of course) :)

20 posted on 11/05/2002 8:08:52 AM PST by kjam22
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To: H8DEMS
He pointed to studies showing that homes located near airports lose almost two percent of their property value per decibel level emitted by jumbo jets.

Per decibel? Starting where? Maybe 2% per decibel above a certain threshold, but something's not right here.

21 posted on 11/05/2002 8:16:02 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: 38special
A free flowing exhaust actually boosts an engines horsepower.

LOL! By how much ... 2%? Maybe 5%?

22 posted on 11/05/2002 8:18:23 AM PST by al_c
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To: Dead Corpse
I happen to like the "muscle car sound" coming from a well tuned V-8.

Very sweet sound. These little riceburners, however, sound sick with the exhaust sytems that are bigger (and probably more expensive) than the cars themselves.

23 posted on 11/05/2002 8:20:12 AM PST by al_c
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To: ecomcon
And I don't know if the value of the homes was even LOWERED. Since the airport was there before those track homes in 99% of the cases, the homes were probably pretty damn cheep to begin with. If the airport finally vanished these people would see an unearned, undeserved INCREASE in their property value.
24 posted on 11/05/2002 8:20:15 AM PST by Owl4USA
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To: billbears; HELLRAISER II
Dang, Bill - I though you would drive a rice burner (just kidding)!

HondaSport stickers and neon lights are good for at least 35 hp in an import, right? My go-cart sounds tougher than the punk lowriders in our town....probably faster too!

25 posted on 11/05/2002 8:22:36 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: H8DEMS; billbears
I have a Rice Burner Rocket myself (Mazda MX6 Turbo)and I have Old Iron 66 Chevy C-10 with dual exhaust Flowmasters and I also have a 93 GMC 2500 with Flowmaster system and it's loud as hell, come to think of it their all loud as hell which is the way performance vehicles should be. They don't like the sound, roll up the windows & use your a/c.
26 posted on 11/05/2002 8:24:29 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: 38special
I agree, It is a beautiful sound.
27 posted on 11/05/2002 8:25:37 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: H8DEMS
Mark Huber would hate my '65 Shelby. Dual exhausts exiting on the sides just in front of the rear wheels, with straight-through glasspack mufflers and tri-y headers - from the dealer. No aftermarket parts needed, it rattled the windowpanes as it was driven off the new car lot all those years ago. In fact, my exhaust system is now *quieter* than the one that was supplied by the factory. Huber should be smooching my rump for that, I reckon.
28 posted on 11/05/2002 8:26:14 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: MissMillie
It's the motorcycles that make the most noise.

Darn right! Ever been to Daytona during Bike Week? The entire town hums 24X7 with a low rumble. < grin >

It's that high-pitched, whiney, weed-eater sound on import cars that is annoying. Why anyone would want their 4cyl to sound like a lawn and garden tool is beyond me!

29 posted on 11/05/2002 8:26:35 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Charles Martel
Mark Huber would hate my '65 Shelby.

Mark don't like it, but Stainless sho' do! Beautiful car, you lucky owner.

30 posted on 11/05/2002 8:28:29 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Dead Corpse
Pu$$y whipped is more like it, what a wuss. He probably doesn't even know what Testosterone is.
31 posted on 11/05/2002 8:29:04 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: JakeWyld
"He's disturbing me."

I think it's his whiney tone.

32 posted on 11/05/2002 8:29:09 AM PST by spunkets
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To: stainlessbanner
What's fun is keeping pace with them in my wife's little 4-door Saturn - they're punching it and sounding like a weed-whacker on steroids, but somehow not managing to actually pull away from her ;)
33 posted on 11/05/2002 8:31:34 AM PST by general_re
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To: justshutupandtakeit
While I would never run through a neighborhood at night playing my stereo so loud it would set off the peoples alarms. I would have to say that all my stereo's would piss you off if you don't like them loud & sweet sounding. However, I do have manners and would not purposely aggravate you.
34 posted on 11/05/2002 8:31:54 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: H8DEMS
He said Flowmaster and other companies that distribute the noisy mufflers systems specifically boast about the "deep aggressive tone" or "deep throaty rumble" that their products produce

Probably just upset that he can't reproduce the sound with his Yugo.

35 posted on 11/05/2002 8:33:50 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: stainlessbanner
Hey S.B. have you ever owned one? I had never owned one worth a hoot till I bought my 90 Ford Probe LX V-6 which is fast but then I bought an 88 Mazda MX 6 Turbo and it will smoke any V-8 I own. And i've always been a Cheverolet V-8 man, i've owned Camaro's, Monte Carlo's and I still own several Chevrolet Trucks including a new Tahoe. But like I said my Turbo will smoke'em all
36 posted on 11/05/2002 8:37:57 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: HELLRAISER II
Inside my house I love loud music.
37 posted on 11/05/2002 8:37:58 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: billbears
I love pulling up at the light when the car next to me is playing loud rap. Drowns it out completely

Tricked-out 5.0/8 Mustang, right? I love drowning out the subwoofer boys, too. I used to really love it when I was still running the old dual-points distributor, solid-core ignition wires and non-resistor plugs; the electrical interference sounded like a sawmill blade ripping through wet timber when I pulled alongside a car with a loud stereo. It was fun looking nonchalant as they dove for the volume control. :-) I have a more modern, higher-powered ignition system in the '65 now; it's a shame that the better performance cost me a bit of fun.

38 posted on 11/05/2002 8:38:32 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: stainlessbanner
HondaSport stickers and neon lights are good for at least 35 hp in an import

LOL. What's sad is that I know people that make a cosmetic addition to their car and overnight they have 15 more HP than they had the night before

39 posted on 11/05/2002 8:39:55 AM PST by billbears
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To: Charles Martel
Yeah, and I'm looking for a mid 60s model for my daily now. Going to be making some mods that won't pass emissions testing anymore (as if it did in the first place)
40 posted on 11/05/2002 8:41:36 AM PST by billbears
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To: HELLRAISER II
My buddy owned a few early 80's rx-7s. He would run one in the ground and then buy another one, like changing socks! Never been to the beach quicker than in one of those little rockets - they are wound tight. I like the V-8 power, the rx-7 was a little squirrly, but no doubt fast as lightn'n!
41 posted on 11/05/2002 8:41:55 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: H8DEMS
Noise Free America spokesman Mark Huber says the manufacturers of hot rod mufflers are selling a product that is "lawlessly terrorizing" neighborhoods across America.

Some people just can't stand anyone else not being as miserable as they are...this guy needs to get a life! If you don't like the noise, move to the country! Get used to it! There is no requirement that other people must meet his standards. I'm sure there's something that he does that drives other people crazy, too. Let's find out what that is, make a big fuss over that, and see how he likes it...

42 posted on 11/05/2002 8:42:21 AM PST by nobdysfool
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You know you are a riceboy if...
...You find yourself using the excuse, "yo, but you gots twice as many cylindas, as I do" after every race.
...you drive a 4 door 'Type R'
...your drooping, gumby pants make it hard to shift
...more than 20 of your mods involve shielding whats under the hood
...you have stickers plastered all over your car that even most Asians don't get
...you have stickers for parts that you don't even have
...you have stickers for parts that aren't even MADE for your car
...you refer to a 50hp NOS system as "The big shot"
...when you drive down the road, WW II vets run for cover
...your car has SO much camber, it can drive on it's side
...your exhaust tip diameter is 4 times the size of the inner diameter of your muffler
...birds make nests on your spoiler, because it is taller than the trees
...you sell crack for the image, not the money
...you have N/T on the side window in shoe polish, but don't have a clue as to what bracket racing is
...you will only race if the other guy removes enough sparks plugs to equal yours
...you can't race uphill
...you have "All Motor" on your rear hatch, right next to your 15.5 dial-in
...you brag about your nitrous system, but dial-in at 14.5
...your exhaust system for your 1.8L is bigger than most Pro-Stock cars
...you spent more money on stickers than your parents paid for the car
...you go to performance shops and immediatly start digging in the decal bin
...your tach is bigger than your head
...you have a shift light, and you let your automatic shift by it's self
...you refuse to race because your car is for show only
...your only mods are cut factory springs and a 5" chrome exhaust tip
...at autocross events you don't run because you have a drag race setup, and at drag racing events, you brag about how you kick ass at autocross
...you have more lights on the front of your car than the USS Voyager
...you brag about the turbo or NOS kit that never seems to get installed
...your exhaust sounds like a swarm of bees, or a dying moose
...your bright green $300 air filter is bigger than your engine

www.riceboypage.com

43 posted on 11/05/2002 8:42:52 AM PST by al_c
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To: billbears
You can spot a "JC-Whitney" special a mile-a-way!
44 posted on 11/05/2002 8:43:29 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
ROTFLMBO!!!!!
45 posted on 11/05/2002 8:44:45 AM PST by billbears
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To: al_c
Good post - The windshield banner says TURD!
46 posted on 11/05/2002 8:45:20 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
My boy likes the RX 7's but I would have trouble fitting in them, at 6'2" & 290 lb's I fit in my MX 6 just fine but I could never be comfortable in the RX 7. But you are right about one thing, those rotary engines are unbelievably strong and fast.
47 posted on 11/05/2002 8:45:27 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: billbears
You know I get tired of all those Honda's to, that's why when I bought a 4 cyl. I went with a Mazda instead. The Honda's are way over rated, however occasionally one of them will suprise you on performance if they're dialed in right with a turbo or NOS. I personally don't run NOS, 1 good run with NOS isn't worth blowing up my motor.
48 posted on 11/05/2002 8:50:23 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: Seruzawa
Apparently now a loud muffler is a terrorist act

Of course it is in todays America. The same as anyone we hate politically is a Traitor, or a NAZI. After all, those people who attacked the WTC aren't really anwy worse than someone with a loud muffler, so lets equate them.

As I've iterated on other threads (and been attacked for so doing):

Words have meaning.
Words have power.
Use them carefully.

49 posted on 11/05/2002 8:51:34 AM PST by templar
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Heart attacks, high blood pressure, jumpiness and anxiety are sufficient cause to ban this junk

Gee, and here all this time we've been told that those things are caused by bad diet, lack of exercise, genetics, and the fast pace of modern life...we've been lied to! It's those damn loud mufflers! yeah, right....

50 posted on 11/05/2002 8:51:48 AM PST by nobdysfool
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