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Mexico Becomes Player in Iraq Debate
ABC News ^ | Nov 6, 2002

Posted on 11/9/2002, 1:17:01 AM by John Lenin

M E X I C O   C I T Y, Nov. 6 — The U.N. Security Council debate on Iraq has been a coming-out party for Mexico, which after decades on the sidelines is quietly becoming a player in international diplomacy. For the United States, it hasn't always been pretty.

While many Mexicans are delighted with the principled stand Mexico is advocating, some worry their country is sacrificing its close relationship with the United States or alternately, using the vote as leverage to win concessions on key issues like immigration.

President Vicente Fox pledged to give Mexico a greater international voice when his 2000 election ended seven decades of single-party rule. He arranged to host several international summits, and quickly got Mexico a seat on the Security Council.

"It's an important change in our foreign policy, that has to do with making our presence and participation more dynamic everywhere that decisions are made," Fox told The Associated Press recently. "It's much more valuable to be part of the decisions than to be a passive spectator."

Initially, the United States welcomed the greater role for Mexico. After all, Fox and President Bush were the best of friends. Bush made the first foreign trip of his presidency to Fox's ranch, where Fox's mother gave him a plate of cookies.

Soon after Mexico joined the Security Council, it abandoned years of abstentions and voted against Cuba and with the United States in a U.N. resolution on human rights on the communist island.

But after the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush backed off the migration reforms Fox wanted, and Fox has faced increasing criticism at home for giving too much to the United States and getting too little.

Relations between the two presidents have grown increasingly colder.

In August, Fox canceled a trip to Texas, which would have included a stop at Bush's ranch, after Texas ignored Fox's pleas and executed a Mexican who Fox said police didn't inform of his right to talk to his consulate. Fox has since said he would like to reschedule; no date has been set.

During a meeting two weeks ago, Fox invited Bush to Mexico for a state visit next year. Bush hasn't responded.

And on the Security Council, Mexico has aligned itself against U.S. positions, although many analysts say its stance has to do more with principles than friction with Washington.

Bush pushed hard for a tough resolution that would give U.N. inspectors more clout to search for weapons of mass destruction, warn Iraq that it faces "serious consequences" if it fails to comply and leave the United States free to act against Saddam Hussein.

Other countries, including Russia, France and China, wanted to give Iraq a chance to cooperate with inspectors, and only authorize the use of force in a second resolution if it doesn't. They're afraid the U.S. draft may trigger a war.

At first it was hard to read where Mexico stood, but its position became clearer with each passing day, and over the last week it has come out strongly in favor of the French and Russian approach.

On Wednesday, the United States presented a revised proposal that made concessions to critics, including Mexico.

Mexico's position has won praise for Fox at home even from some of his most bitter critics. The leftist newspaper La Jornada, which has waged an editorial war with the conservative president, called Fox's Iraq stance "on target."

"After the absurdities, missteps and clumsiness that have characterized this administration's foreign policy, the adoption of the current policy is a point in favor of the president, and should be recognized and supported," the newspaper said.

But many wonder whether Mexico is merely setting up opposition to the United States in an effort to win bilateral concessions on subjects like migration.

One Security Council diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Mexico's opposition to declaring Iraq in "material breach" of U.N. resolutions was seen as a bargaining chip.

La Jornada, even as it praised Fox's policy, cautioned: "We can only hope this well-aimed policy on Iraq isn't just a bargaining card."

Others say Mexico may be sacrificing good policy for principle. Mexico's opposition to the United States in the Security Council could hurt its relationship with Washington on issues more important to Mexicans.

"The truth is, this is creating friction with the United States," said Ana Maria Salazar, a professor at Mexico's ITAM institute and a former Pentagon official. "The United States will always hold Mexico up to a different standard, because the close friendship between Bush and Fox created many expectations."

Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


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Our wonderful Amigos to the south strike again.
1 posted on 11/9/2002, 1:17:01 AM by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
"Mexico's opposition to the United States in the Security Council could hurt its relationship with Washington on issues more important to Mexicans."

Immigration? HAHAHAHA Guess again, they're called Illegals again now. Pretty soon they will be called target practice if Mexico doesn't make a serious attitude adjustment. The American people, and the President have had about all the $hit we're going to take from these banditos south of the border. While we're going great distances to own some Arab oil fields, the ones in Mexico would be like taking candy from a baby. They should remember not to poke the giant when he's sleeping.

2 posted on 11/9/2002, 1:29:25 AM by 11B3
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To: John Lenin
What reason could there be for Mexico to support Iraq other than to weaken us?
4 posted on 11/9/2002, 1:45:01 AM by BenLurkin
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To: 11B3
How about a gentlemans bet that GWB passes Amnesty for the illegal trespassers.
5 posted on 11/9/2002, 2:12:11 AM by taxed2death
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To: BenLurkin
I agree, true story, about 10 years ago a buddy of mine with govt credentials told me we had better watch out for Mexico, they were planning this invasion for a lontg time and the govt knew and must have just thrown in the towel.
6 posted on 11/9/2002, 2:34:59 AM by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
But after the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush backed off the migration reforms Fox wanted, and Fox has faced increasing criticism at home for giving too much to the United States and getting too little.

Too little? One vote for Cuba in return for food, education, jobs, and medical care for 10 million of your poor, a bailout during the peso crisis, our buying of a majority of Mexican exports, that's too little? It's unbelievable that someone would make that criticism.

7 posted on 11/9/2002, 3:19:00 AM by Pa' fuera
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To: Pa' fuera
Not to mention Lula's win in Brazil, if that's not reason eough to close the borders I don't know what is. Marxist Leftist Rebels are taking over South America and we better get prepared for it.
8 posted on 11/9/2002, 3:32:44 AM by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
MEXICO IS THE REAL ENEMY RIGHT NOW; NOT IRAQ

by H. Millard (c) 2002

I haven't heard of any incursions into the U.S. by Iraqi soldiers. Not one. I have heard about many incursions by fully armed Mexican soldiers. These Mexican soldiers even kidnapped American rancher Bob Maupin a few years ago. It seems that eight Mexican soldiers, in uniform and carrying automatic weapons crossed onto Mr. Maupin's ranch in rural San Diego County and tried to take him back across the border. Fortunately, Mr. Maupin was saved from a sure death at the hands of these enemy soldiers by the arrival of the U.S. Border Patrol. The U.S. government has tried to deny this incident happened. You can see photos of the captured Mexican soldiers at http://www.ranchrescue.com. You can also read about many more Mexican attacks on U.S. citizens at that site. Mr. Maupin now patrols his ranch in a WWII half-track, because the federal government won't protect him.

I haven't heard about any Iraqi criminals attacking and killing American citizens on the streets of this nation. Not one. I have heard about thousands of such attacks by Mexican nationals. It happens every night all across the United States. Often, they will rob and kill American citizens and then rush back across the border where the Mexican government will keep them safe from extradition.

I haven't heard about any Iraqi attempt to change the American way of life to an Iraqi one, but I see many attempts by Mexicans to change the American way of life to a Mexican one.

I haven't heard of any claims made by Iraqis that they own large parts of the United States. Not one. I have heard of many such claims on our land by Mexicans who call large parts of the southwest U.S. Aztlan. In fact, a recent Zogby International poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans think that the U.S. southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico. The poll also found that 57 percent of Mexicans believe that they have the RIGHT to enter the U.S. without U.S. permission. Many of these Mexicans who want to retake the southwest for Mexico, consider Los Angeles to be the capital of Aztlan.

I haven't heard any Iraqis say that "California is going to be an Arab state, and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe." I did hear Mario Obledo, a prominent Hispanic and a founder of MALDEF, say "California is going to be a Hispanic state, and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe." If you want to hear more about this and similar threats to the U.S. from America's real enemy instead of imaginary ones, go to http://americanpatrol.com.


What would the Bush administration say if Iraq set up voting booths in the U.S. and Iraqis could send representatives to Baghdad? And what would President Bush say if Baghdad claimed that the south west U.S. belonged to Iraq? Mexico gets a pass on everything.


9 posted on 11/9/2002, 6:20:47 AM by Be active
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To: Be active
Let's hope Lott isn't just blowing smoke.
10 posted on 11/9/2002, 6:25:17 AM by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
This is a line from an article on the same subject that was posted from a Mexico City paper.

"Democrats had every intention of pushing a deal forward, but now we are in the hands of Bush," Fernandez said. "The personal relationship between Fox and Bush is tapped out. We can't expect that to play for anything. Most worrying, Bush may be angry with Fox and Castañeda for not supporting his war with Iraq."

Now, who do you suppose was speaking for the Democrat Party, that told Fox that they would push the "deal" through?

11 posted on 11/9/2002, 6:29:20 AM by Eva
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To: Eva
Trancredo won Bigtime. The writting is on the wall.
12 posted on 11/9/2002, 6:32:44 AM by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
And on the Security Council, Mexico has aligned itself against U.S. positions, although many analysts say its stance has to do more with principles than friction with Washington.

Now, just slow down and 'splain somethin' to me; to my knowledge the only countries we have to make more or less concessions would be the ones with veto power, correctamundo?...USA,China,France,Great Britain and but not least Russia.

Having an extra drink tonight, can anyone tell me slowly and coherently, under what UN resolutions should we even bother to have a discussion about important world affairs with a THIRD World country?...not to mention, discussing meaningfull concessions to them!

I like to have some of that Tequilla they are drinkin.......

13 posted on 11/9/2002, 6:50:16 AM by danmar
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To: Be active
I haven't heard of any claims made by Iraqis that they own large parts of the United States.

From a young age, this is what Mexican schoolchildren are taught. This is reinforced K-12 (or K-7 as the case may be), that we took it away from them and are to be resented for it.

14 posted on 11/9/2002, 3:14:10 PM by Pa' fuera
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To: John Lenin; holyscroller; Spiff; HiJinx; flamefront; Drill Alaska; healey22; lutine; ...
Why is is Mexico even on the security council? Those moochers don't even have a dog in this fight. I believe their constitution prevents their corrupt army from lifting a finger outside of their own country. If things got tough, those pansies wouldn't help their allies. Mexico is a mere obnoxious pissant in the scheme of things. They are more trouble than they're worth. We should have finished the job in 1848.
15 posted on 11/9/2002, 6:21:57 PM by Tancredo Fan
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To: John Lenin
Mexico is in need of a regime change.
16 posted on 11/9/2002, 6:29:24 PM by Willie Green
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To: Free the USA; Helix; backhoe; Uncle Bill; Patriotman; Dogs in the field; Askel5; Dante3; ...
ping
17 posted on 11/9/2002, 6:32:31 PM by madfly
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ping
18 posted on 11/9/2002, 6:33:43 PM by madfly
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park; ppaul
FYI
19 posted on 11/9/2002, 6:38:59 PM by madfly
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To: Tancredo Fan
Those moochers don't even have a dog in this fight.

We're their dog in this fight. They intend to work against us so they somehow get the upper hand over us. It's kind of like the parasite working against it's host.

20 posted on 11/9/2002, 6:49:56 PM by FITZ
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