DU'S explains difference between Repubs and Dems

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[estrogen]

MoJo23 (5 posts) Nov-09-02, 07:29 AM (ET) 12. Democrat vs. Republican LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-02 AT 07:30 AM (ET) None of the previous answers have been very informative about the issues. I'll get flamed for this, but here are the differences.

1. Abortion. Democrats believe in a woman's right to choose whether an abortion is right for her and the government has no say. Republicans believe that the fetus is a person and deserves protection.

2. Military. Democrats believes too much money is spent on the military and could be better spent on social programs that help people. Republicans believe that the military and defending the US is one of the primary roles of the federal government.

3. Wealth. Democrats believe that corporations only care about money and too much money ends up in the hands of the rich. Republicans believe that this is the land of opportunity and people deserve the money they make.

4. Gay Rights. Democrats believe that individuals are born with their sexual orientation and that gays should be given the same opportunities as straight couples to marry. Republicans believe that sexual behavior is a choice and the only a man and women can marry.

5. Guns. Democrats believe that guns are dangerous and result in thousands of people getting killed each year. Republicans believe that people have the right to own guns to protect themselves and their homes.

6. Vouchers. Democrats believe strongly in the public education system and more money needs to be put into public schools to improve them. Republicans believe that the public schools are failing and competition is needed to improve them.

There are many more issues, but that gives you a start at what the differences are. I'll get flamed because most people like to present the issues as their side is good and the other side is evil.

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[estrogen]

interesting that they get it

[ModernDayCato]

This is actually quite good. Were there any responses, and can you post the link?

[estrogen]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID60/16972.html

[End Times Sentinel]

interesting that they get it

 

Interesting that this one poster gets it any way.  He also seems to realize that he's going to get flamed.  He'll also almost certainly get banned for painting Repubicans in a light anything less than drooling, knuckle-dragging, mouth breathing, hate filled ape-men.

 

I'd love to shoot over and see the reaction to this, but since you've got to give them money (and I just can't bear to do that, even though they're so entertaining) I'll just have to go on what I've seen happen there time and again.

 

 

Military. Democrats believes too much money is spent on the military and could be better spent on social programs that help people. Republicans believe that the military and defending the US is one of the primary roles of the federal government.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

[End Times Sentinel]

Thanks for the link!

P.S. I am also posting a similar post on some Republican sites.

(Now I bet both of them get banned)

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

[Free State Four]

This guy/gal is too smart to be hanging around DU. Invite him/her over here. This talent is wasted on DU. fsf

[JZoback]

Everyone ought to read it real quick.

The mods at DU will ban you in a heart beat.

I gave it a day because it's Saturday and the mods are still sleeping off their bong hits from Friday night.

[AntiGuv]

interesting that they get it

You mean that one of them got it. I've tried to engage the DUers in discussion and I find most of them either so radical or so juvenile that it's amazing they even function in society. I have a good number of Democratic friends & most of my family is centrist Democratic so I find it hard to believe that DU can be representative of the Dem leaners as a whole. That's why the Democratic Party is losing bigtime - it's lost touch with where even most of its own constituency is at (much less the nation as a whole) and sold itself to the most extreme special interests. See Nancy Pelosi!

PS. I'm fairly solid Libertarian myself but with a history of otherwise leaning GOP. I know a lot of you guys aren't fond of us! ;)

[I still care]

Actually it is quite simplistic. There are deeper and more fundamental principles at work. Those are surface issues. I would say that the fundamental difference is that Democrats believe you can trust the government, and that a larger government with more control (and protection) is a good thing. Its purpose is to "even things out" and work for good in the lives of the citizen.

Republicans believe larger government (with more control and limitations on individuals) is fundamentally bad. They don't trust it, feeling it is too easily corrupt. Its purpose is to protect individual rights.

The Democrats believe to protect the individual rights of some, you have to take away rights from others. The Republicans say its none of your business, as long as everyone acts decent to one another.

I happened on this truth while talking to my liberal uncle. He was for Hillarycare. I asked him if he wanted to trust the government with his health. He said, "Of course. The government is just you and me - it's good for us!" I think that is the whole thing in a nutshell.

[PeaceBeWithYou]

Interesting that they get it

Nah, that was obviously written by a FReeper.

BTW:This thread will self destruct in 90 seconds.

[BADROTOFINGER]

2. Military. Democrats believes too much money is spent on the military and could be better spent on social programs that help people. Republicans believe that the military and defending the US is one of the primary roles of the federal government.

Well, they are partially right here. It isnt that the GOP'ers 'believe' that defending the US is one of the primary roles of the Federal Government, it is that the Constitution explicitly mandates that responsibility to the Feds. I could probably pick out more examples, but this isnt at all a bad comparison for DU. Usually it is something much more extreme, like maybe...

1) Democrats like to smell flowers to relax, and Republicans like to dismember little black children to relax...JFK

[goldstategop]

Its almost impossible to have a rational discussion with the posters over at DU. Its so bad that thoughtful Democrats have been turned off by the bile, venom, and hatred from those who populate the forum. And the fact they would flame someone for presenting conservatives in a favorable light testifies to how much the Democrats have morphed into the party of "No." The irony is without realizing it, the Democrats have degenerated into a bad parody of Jesse Helms, rejecting everything and anything that might conflict with their blinkered liberal view of the world.

[JZoback]

I'm suprised he made it to 5 posts at DU!!!

[Thane_Banquo]

I would add one more:

The Constitution. Democrats believe in "living Constitution" whose interpretation should adapt and change to meet society's needs in terms of welfare and social spending. Republicans believe in strictly interpreting the Constitution in order to limit the federal government and protect individual freedom.

[Sacajaweau]

later....Is that a ping or a bump??

[ModernDayCato]

Yes, it is simplistic...but that's okay. It's a five step program, just like AA. The political officer has already responded anyway (I added the bold for the lib party line):

1) Abortion: Abortion is legal. Democrats believe a woman knows what's best for her and nobody else should force her to carry a child against her will to satisfy the fake morality of the repub fundies. Small gov't means stay out of my uterus. Dems believe a fetus is a group of cells and children, when born deserve protection. Repubs want to force women to give birth despite her lack of readiness, willingness or ability to support one.After the enforced birth, repubs cease caring about the welfare of the child they were so intent to imbue with rights and protections.

2) Military: Dems believe the wasting billions of taxpayer dollars on military boondoggles like the Osprey and Star Wars defense system is an outrage. That money would be better spent on social services.

3) Wealth: In this country we have socialism for the rich and unfettered capitalism for everyone else. See Enron for an example of CEOs looting their own workers' pension funds for their own enrichment and escaping prosecution. Theft of a pocketbook with $10 is a punishable offense, theft of millions in workers' pensions is savvy business practice.

4) Gay rights: Once again repub fundies want to butt into the bedrooms and sex lives of consenting adults. I don't remember our founding fathers granting unalienable rights onto straight people only. The narrow-minded repubs want to use government to punish those who make them uncomfortable in their repressed, bigoted, narrow minded view of human sexuality.

5) Guns: Guns kill. Despite repubs bleating that the government's role is to protect the populace, any attempt at passing laws that would prevent guns falling into the wrong hands or would enable police to find snipers and killers is WRONG WRONG WRONG in their book.

6) Vouchers merely subsidize private schools with public money and do nothing to improve the poor public educational system of the richest country in the world. Polls show that nearly 70% of the populace disapproves of vouchers. The poorest children are not helped by the voucher system and are relegated to remain in a weakened public school system and disparity between pubic and private education widens. Vouchers do nothing to improve public education through "competition." How can underfunded schools compete with doubly funded ones?

Seems to me that some of these twits interchange 'liberal' and 'Democrat,' and some don't.

[monocle]

Democrats are motivated by emotion while Republicans are motivated by reason.

[billhilly]

Guns and butter. Ya gotta have something to flavor Bambi with.

[ModernDayCato]

It's difficult to say which phrase I thought was funnier:

Butt into homosexual sex lives,

or Socialism for the rich (whatever the hell that means).

[TopQuark]

interesting that they get it I beg to disagree. The noncontradictory factors are stated as if they are such.

2. Military. Democrats believes too much money is spent on the military and could be better spent on social programs that help people. Republicans believe that the military and defending the US is one of the primary roles of the federal government. This is not up to the government, or us, to decide: our Constitution mandates any adminisrtation to protect the people. Now, thr question of funding is open to debate, of course. In essense, the statement says the Dems are against the Constitution itself.

3. Wealth. Democrats believe that corporations only care about money and too much money ends up in the hands of the rich. Republicans believe that this is the land of opportunity and people deserve the money they make.

What this statetement addresses is the isssue of fairness, or equity in society. Economists know that there is another consequence to any and all collective decisions: efficiency. The statement is therefore incomplete.

Besides what is "deserved," Republcans know, and the Democrtats should, that if put a cap on profits, you will stifle the innovation and hard work, ultimately weaening the economy. Complete equity of wealth achieved in one generation will make the next go hungry. This conflict between equity and efficiency is known as equity-efficiency dilemma. 4. Gay Rights. Democrats believe that individuals are born with their sexual orientation and that gays should be given the same opportunities as straight couples to marry. Republicans believe that sexual behavior is a choice and the only a man and women can marry.

Incompleteness again. Regardless of whether one is born with a sexual orientation, marriage is about children. Look around: even animals unite and stay together for the production of children.

This is very typical of the Dems: they close their eyes on the consequences, whereas the Republicans do not. That is where the differences chiefly lie. By omitting the consequences, the author creates arificial differences.

5. Guns. Democrats believe that guns are dangerous and result in thousands of people getting killed each year. Republicans believe that people have the right to own guns to protect themselves and their homes. Again, as stated, there is no contradition. I think every Republican knows that the gunds are dangerous (and so are the cars and kitchen knives). Moreover, the Republicans believe that guns play a role not only in pretection of homes but in protection against a government as well. We also disagree on what makes gun dangerous: we think it is people, and the Dems think it is gadgets.

Do you notice how, once again, an incompleteness allows the author totally misrepresent the essense of the disagreement?

6. Vouchers. Democrats believe strongly in the public education system and more money needs to be put into public schools to improve them. Republicans believe that the public schools are failing and competition is needed to improve them.

If you differ on how to fix a house, it does not mean that you do not believe in the existence of that house.

It is not that the Dems do and the Republicans do not believe in the system, we do not accept its functioning as it is.

In sum, all of the sentences above have the structure "I speak French very well but my sister goes to junior high school." The difference is there, but it is not a contradiction. The contradictions themselves are actually omitted by the author.

They do not disagree with us: they really don't get it.