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To: Willie Green
Since I don't know the full details (and don't trust the mediabigots further than I can kick them with a broken leg) it is hard to reach a solid conclusion on this article. But Bush really should have made clear the distinction between Muslims (as human beings) and Islam (as a particularly hellish set of beliefs).

Some thinking recently has alerted me to a key difference between Secular Humanist and Christian/Theistic thinking. Humanists do not believe in a soul. To them a person's beliefs are not just externals; they are what makes a person what they are. To attack a belief is to attack the person holding them.

By contrast, Christians believe that at the core of a human being is not their beliefs but their soul. Beliefs can impact the soul - they can condemn it to Hell or be a vehicle for Heaven. And this means it is imperative to Christians that wrong beliefs in others be confronted and dealt with, if possible, to the salvation of the person themself.

So this is a big source of conflict, I perceive. The Christian criticizes wrong beliefs out of honest love, but that same criticism is interpreted as "hate" and an attack on the person themself by humanists.

So it is important for Christians to make clear that it is the teachings of Islam we oppose, and FOR THE SAKE OF the people enslaved by such teachings (literally and figuratively). Mediabigots may underplay or ignore all mention of Islam-inspired violence, slave-raiding and tyranny, but Christians can respond by continually pointing back to the facts of history (and daily events) and the teachings that inspire them. It is not Christians who fly planes into buildings, bomb innocent targets, take slaves in the name of religion and assert totalitarian rule as the "will of God."

Islam is a religion of evil, Mr. President. It is Satan's greatest monotheistic counterfeit, one cleverly designed to be fueled by the human passions of lust and violence that are so cleverly exploited by the Koran. That is, by promising crassly pornographic sexual pleasures in Heaven and justifying violent attacks on infidels Islam creates a powerful engine for aggression. The amazing thing is that Muslims have not been even more violent in history. Thank God for the fact that most Muslims have been as heretical as most western "Christians" of the past generation.

But what will the Atheistic West do if that changes?

Marathon (who has been studying the Koran and birthrate figures by nation lately...)

8 posted on 11/13/2002 5:00:38 PM PST by Marathon
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To: Marathon
What you said!
14 posted on 11/13/2002 5:22:44 PM PST by STD
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To: Marathon
So it is important for Christians to make clear that it is the teachings of Islam we oppose, and FOR THE SAKE OF the people enslaved by such teachings (literally and figuratively). Mediabigots may underplay or ignore all mention of Islam-inspired violence, slave-raiding and tyranny, but Christians can respond by continually pointing back to the facts of history (and daily events) and the teachings that inspire them. It is not Christians who fly planes into buildings, bomb innocent targets, take slaves in the name of religion and assert totalitarian rule as the "will of God."

Not true. Some Christians have, and do commit atrocities in the name of Christianity.

Many people fled Europe because of religous oppression and persecution by so-called Christians who claimed to have the authority of God.
Bombing abortion clinics, killing Doctors, attacking and killing minorities and gays...the KKK claim that their racist hate is Bible-based. Then there were the Crusades.

My point is that it's a fallacy to oppose Islam simply by blaming it for terrorism etc.
Because people can and do make the same argument against Biblical Christianity.

I would agree though that Christ is the only way to God ( as He claimed) and the Islam is a way to Hell.

52 posted on 11/13/2002 7:11:51 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Marathon; Loyalist
Marathon ...has been studying the Koran and birthrate figures by nation lately

An excellent quote, worth reposting --

"The scalpel of the abortionist is the sword of Islam." -- freeper Loyalist

100 posted on 11/14/2002 11:34:19 AM PST by Rytwyng
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To: Marathon
Wow. Good post.
176 posted on 11/16/2002 3:02:00 PM PST by Terriergal
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