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Zogby: The New Real Majority (Plus a free report)
Zogby ^ | Nov. 15, 2002 | Zogby

Posted on 11/15/2002, 11:20:56 PM by jern

As a fan of politics nothing could be more exciting than seeing the unexpected occur again and again. But as a political pollster, whose reputation is impacted seemingly by every race polled and every percentage point reflected, Election Night was cause for much more grimacing than we at Zogby International have been used to over the last several years.

For the 2002 Midterm Elections, we did have our usual on-target projections that most other polling firms missed – Florida, North Carolina, Arkansas, New Jersey and Missouri. (MY NOTE: WHICH POLLSTER MISSED, Fla., NC or NJ) On the other hand, we had some races which surprised even us-Colorado, Illinois, and Georgia. In a world where hang-ups, cell phones and increasingly lower response rates add to the difficulty of accurately measuring just “what Americans really think,” the fact that all of us in the polling industry do as well as we do is really a tribute.

We at Zogby International will continue to strive to offer the most accurate opinion research available throughout the entire polling industry. We at Zogby International will strive to produce the best products and services available in the market today. And we at Zogby International will continue to strive to provide you with the best source of public opinion polling information anywhere.

As for this year's election, we were just …okay. Which for us, is not good enough.

I would like to take this opportunity to offer you, with my compliments, the second installment of the Zogby-White Election Report: The New Real Majority. This is a brilliant 52-page detailed report with comprehensive footnotes and unique analysis brought to you by: John Zogby, President and CEO of Zogby International & John Kenneth White, Professor of Politics at the Catholic University of America and author of The Values Divide: American Politics and Culture in Transition.

To access your complimentary copy, please use the following information:

Step 1. From our home page http://www.zogby.com
Step 2. Go to SUBSCRIBERS LOGIN:
https://interactive.zogby.com/clickon/index2.dbm
Step 3. At the Zogby login page enter in your username:
RlMajor
Step 4. At the Zogby login page enter in your password:
RlMajor
Step 5. Click submit
Step 6. Enjoy our Zogby-White Election Report: The New
Real Majority.

"Thank you for your participation, your comments and most importantly, your love for politics."

Sincerely,

John Zogby
Press/CEO
Zogby International

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 11/15/2002, 11:20:57 PM by jern
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To: KQQL
kqql
2 posted on 11/15/2002, 11:21:09 PM by jern
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To: jern
We screwed up, but we were close enough that we are a tribute to ourselves.

Gag...

3 posted on 11/15/2002, 11:23:44 PM by Dog Gone
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To: jern
So what, per Zogby, is the new real majority?
4 posted on 11/15/2002, 11:27:28 PM by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: jern
SCREW ZOGBY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
HE was wrong about TX senate race, CO senate race..,
MN Senate race,....NH senate race.........IL GOV race,,,,,,,,,,SD senate race............GA senate race.............and we are suppose to belief in his new crap....

P>S SurveyUSA, Mason Dixon , Gallup kicked his butt
5 posted on 11/15/2002, 11:30:31 PM by KQQL
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
Who knows? If you download his report you still won't know. I've skimmed it and it's clear he doesn't know, either.

Here's the conclusion of his paper, for what it's worth.

As the preceding tables indicate, the country still remains divided. However, it is important to point out that George W. Bush has won an historic victory. He has an opportunity to build and transform the nation's political landscape. In many respects, George W. Bush was elected president not in 2000, but in 2002. His administration, which really began on September 11th, has now received a decisive electoral mandate. How voters will judge him two years from now (and possibly beyond) is uncertain. Important successes can be achieved, but the pitfalls also are clear. The outcome of a likely war with Iraq's Saddam Hussein remains in doubt. Substantive legislative accomplishments-including creation of a patients bill of rights and prescription drug coverage for seniors is a must. The economy remains relatively flaccid, and doubts about corporate responsibility persist.

It is also important to remember that in the latter half of the 20th century history has become incredibly compressed. Harry Truman's 1948 triumph was followed by substantial losses in the 1950 midterm elections; Dwight Eisenhower's 1952 landslide and Republican control of Congress was negated two years later by a Democratic takeover of both houses; Lyndon B. Johnson's mammoth 1964 victory over Republican Barry Goldwater was eroded by big Republican gains in 1966; Ronald Reagan's 1980 landslide and resultant defacto control of Congress ended with Democratic gains in 1982; the Republican landslide of 1994 was followed by Clinton's win two years later (recall that in 1994 Clinton was considered by many as a lame duck, one-term president). Yet, history notwithstanding, the opportunity is present to make George W. Bush the William McKinley of his day by renewing the Republican coalition-not only by successfully winning the war on terrorism, but by reinvigorating the party's domestic agenda. If Bush succeeds, he will be able to bridge the values divide that still persists-even in the afterglow of victory.

For Democrats, it is also clear that their losses cannot be explained away as part of the "George W. Bush phenomena" or a tactical GOP victory. The party has both a message and values problem. The Democratic message is tentative and unclear. Intra-party wrangling will help to sort out the problems. Unlike the 1980s, when Democrats blamed Ronald Reagan's popularity for their troubles, it is clear that more than a president's popularity is hurting the Democrats. Republicans will always be Republicans in the sense that they will continue to espouse the values freedom and individualism. Democrats need to be Democrats, especially in trumpeting the values of equality of opportunity and tolerance. The first value is especially important and must be an essential part of the party's foreign and domestic agenda. At the same time, Democrats cannot sit on one side of the values divide. They must appeal to the Scammon and Wattenberg real majority. Al Gore is already sensing this problem by co-authoring a book with his wife, Tipper, on the American family. Traditional families of the 1950s and 1960s must be made to feel that they are welcome inside the Democratic tent. Meanwhile, as Democrats attempt to rehabilitate their values image, party elites must decide which issues they will enjoin the Bush Republicans and make their stand much as Barry Goldwater did for the Republicans in the 1960s.

In the past two midterm elections, 1998 and 2002 history was made. Four years ago, Bill Clinton's party won House seats as the Republicans overreached in prosecuting the Lewinsky scandals. Republicans must be careful not to overreach this time, and they may do so by going to war with Iraq without the same kind of firm public support that there was when the war against Osama bin Laden and the Taliban commenced. Thus, whether the word "realignment" or "anomaly" best describes this election result remains unclear. Time will tell.


6 posted on 11/15/2002, 11:36:50 PM by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I tried to get it to view it, and it doesn't let me in. Suggestions?
7 posted on 11/15/2002, 11:44:25 PM by Gophack
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To: Gophack
You're probably using the wrong password and ID. One character in that password may not even be on your keyboard.

Do a cut and paste of those from the article above. It will let you in.

8 posted on 11/15/2002, 11:55:16 PM by Dog Gone
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To: jern
Let's hope that by 2004 people remember Zogby screwed up big time in this election cycle, so that they don't hang on his every pronouncement as though it was a Biblical revelation. Polling is the modern-day pseudo-science equivalent of reading entrails and looking for omens.
9 posted on 11/15/2002, 11:57:20 PM by Wolfstar
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To: Dog Gone
Thanks.

There's no doubt that we're in historic times. First time in my life that we've seen a Republican in the White House and both houses of Congress controlled by Republicans. But Zogby's ramblings reveal his leftist leanings and the fact that he is stunned by the election results.

The Democratic message is tentative and unclear.

Zogby's wrong. The 'Rat message of unpatriotism was crystal clear. No Republican, no Independent, and even a lot of 'Rats didn't like it.

Republicans will always be Republicans in the sense that they will continue to espouse the values freedom and individualism.

Makes you feel dirty and evil, doesn't it?

Democrats need to be Democrats, especially in trumpeting the values of equality of opportunity and tolerance.

I'd love to see more of this. What the 'Rats offer under the guise of equality is inequality--flagrant benefits to their constituency for nothing more than votes and continued 'Rat power. The fundamental flaw with this approach is that it undermines the country, and parasites who feed off their host too aggressively have low Darwinian fitness.

Al Gore is...co-authoring a book with his wife, Tipper, on the American family. Traditional families of the 1950s and 1960s must be made to feel that they are welcome inside the Democratic tent.

This book ought to be a joke. Traditional families are meant to feel like lepers by the 'Rats.

Four years ago, Bill Clinton's party won House seats as the Republicans overreached in prosecuting the Lewinsky scandals.

Enforcing the law is overreaching? Zogby's a lefty, Zogby's a lefty! I know one Republican Senator in the Peoples' Republic who, two years ago, lost his seat because he underreached in prosecuting The 'Toon's scandals.

Republicans must be careful not to overreach this time, and they may do so by going to war with Iraq without the same kind of firm public support that there was when the war against Osama bin Laden and the Taliban commenced.

Jiminy Crickett! There's been firm public support to snuff Sadam for one heck of a long time.

I think the biggest risk the Republicans face is for the 'Rats to wake up and act semi-responsibly sometime prior to October 2004. The 'Rats are masters of the big lie, but the big lie, used over and over again for more than a year now against Bush, didn't pay off. Can they find new topics to lie about? Bush has been proactive in taking their topics away from them. To the annoyance of us conservatives, but, I assume, to the ultimate pleasure of most of us now seeing the election results.

10 posted on 11/16/2002, 12:01:05 AM by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: deport; Dales; Torie
FYI.
11 posted on 11/16/2002, 12:03:18 AM by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Yep, Zog been spinning for the past few days in print and on a few shows trying to get this down so he looks good.
12 posted on 11/16/2002, 12:32:52 AM by deport
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
All these warnings not to "overreach" by Dems are like Custer warning the Indians not to "overreact" by attacking.
Fuggeddaboutit! As Patton said, "we're going to attack, and attack some more. We're going to hold them by the nose and kick em in the arse."
13 posted on 11/16/2002, 1:17:54 AM by LS
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To: jern
What, and or who, is a Zogby ? Why should I / we even care ?!
(/sarcasm)
14 posted on 11/16/2002, 1:18:44 AM by elbucko
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To: Dog Gone
So the Democratic Party must now say that it is a proponent of the traditional American family, rather than an advocate, through abortion and the homosexual agenda, of it's decline.
15 posted on 11/16/2002, 1:29:56 AM by Zack Nguyen
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To: elbucko
You don't know who Zogby is? I think he is the villain in the upcoming James Bond movie.
16 posted on 11/16/2002, 1:32:54 AM by Clemenza
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To: Dog Gone
What a moron. Like his pal AlGore. The Electoral College elected Bush president in 2000. Gore is still moaning and groaning. Good for him. It makes Gore look worse all the time. Even the alleged "base" does not want him. I can't wait to hear him tonight on Barbara Walters.
17 posted on 11/16/2002, 1:33:50 AM by Chemnitz
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To: jern
In a world where hang-ups, cell phones and increasingly lower response rates add to the difficulty of accurately measuring just “what Americans really think”...

Do you get the feeling that Americans think that they don't want others guessing what they really think and then taking them for granted over it?

-PJ

18 posted on 11/16/2002, 2:11:38 AM by Political Junkie Too
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To: Gophack
I tried to get it to view it, and it doesn't let me in. Suggestions?

New brain. :)

19 posted on 11/16/2002, 2:24:26 AM by Iowegian
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To: jern
the fact that all of us in the polling industry do as well as we do is really a tribute

Say's who? You? Ok then... Personally, I'm the best at what I do screw ups and all. Nobody else could possibly do my job better than me. My job is hard and the fact that I do it within 30% potential accuracy (I'll leave it to others to calculate how accurate is Z) is reason enough to pat myself on the back.

If these people really want to get good polling data then they'll need to hit the streets. It's time to go door-to-door, hit pedestrian areas and voter hangouts to get more accurate polls. Also listen to talk radio and other media outlets to calculate trending (fudge) factors.

20 posted on 11/16/2002, 3:02:55 AM by tagatose
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