SMALLPOX AND FORCED VACCINATION: WHAT EVERY AMERICAN NEEDS TO KNOW

National Vaccine Information Center ^ | Winter 2002 | Barbara Loe Fisher, Editor

[Texas Mom]

Will somebody please explain to me what is all this horse hockey about smallpox vaccinations?

If someone answers your question let me know. I have been vaccinated for Small Pox as were my children and anyone who attended the public schools. Not sure when they stopped this, Someone said 30 years ago. I think it was more recent. Have never heard of anyone getting sick from these vaccinations.

[TheEngineer]

Do you have anything specific you'd like to address concerning the information presented?...

Yeah. Specifically, she has no evidence that the vaccination given her 2.5 year old child caused any of his problems. The only thing concrete that she can show is that her son collapsed after receiving the vaccine.

Her son has some problems. Obviously, she feels that somebody has to be blamed for this. I have news for her and for you: Life is not risk-free.

[Bernard Marx]

If you want to be a guinea pig, that's your right. It's our right not to.

Exactly.

[FormerLurker]

What percentage of the population is naturally immune?

I'm not really sure. I've seen estimates ranging from 0-90%. So, who knows. I'll see what I can find in the way of information on that if I can...

[Coleus]

oh, and small pox kills everyone? Keep you kids healthy so their immune system could fight disease, they will be much better off.

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[FormerLurker]

Yeah. Specifically, she has no evidence that the vaccination given her 2.5 year old child caused any of his problems. The only thing concrete that she can show is that her son collapsed after receiving the vaccine.

The article is not about her son. It is about the smallpox vaccine. Numerous references are provided. Now what is it about the article concerning smallpox that you disagree with?

[FormerLurker]

Sorry, buddy. I worked with Procter & Gamble in the sixties. On Crest toothpaste, as a matter of fact. And I have first hand experience with the scientific evidence that it does exactly what it says it does.

Ah, that explains your position on this. Those studies have been found to be seriously flawed. And that IS a fact...

Respected Medical Professionals and Scientists are warning that water fluoridation has dangerous long-term health consequences.

Former NIH (National Inst. of Health) scientist opposed to fluoride

BZZZT, indeed.

Indeed.

[valleygal]

"However, at least the regular schools won't let their children into classrooms next to my kids, where they pose a disease threat to all the other children."

Not true here in Arizona. Just need to fill out a form saying you don't want your child to be vaccinated for religious or personal beliefs.

[FormerLurker]

Have never heard of anyone getting sick from these vaccinations.

Read the article for your answer to that question...

[CPOSharky]

I'm not really sure. I've seen estimates ranging from 0-90%. So, who knows. I'll see what I can find in the way of information on that if I can...

Well, I'm pretty sure it's not zero. But thank you if you can find the information.

[valleygal]

Anti-vaccine people are nutty for the most part."

Actually, that's a pretty broad statement. I know some anti-vaccine people who are very sane and educated people. Just because you don't agree doesn't make them nutty.

It's been reported that Gulf War Syndrome is really just reaction to the Anthrax vaccine. British soldiers were not given the vaccine and have not suffered from GWS.

[Dasaji]

Flouride affects certain neurotransmitters (acetocholine-sp?- I think) that can cause a depressed mental state. I read somewhere that German soldiers were given flouride because it made them follow orders better. We do not drink the flouridated tap water, and make sure the toothpaste isn't swallowed. Have also read that flouride can cause breast tumors, particularly in the right side.

Also read a study that measured time spans between SIDS deaths and the DTP vaccine....very high percentage within 7 days of the vaccine...enough to make me forego it with my kids. ('cept the tetanus part).

[TheEngineer]

Not true here in Arizona. Just need to fill out a form saying you don't want your child to be vaccinated for religious or personal beliefs.

Getting vaccinated is to disease what military service is to enemies who would do us harm.

And those few who abstain from vaccinations are like draft dodgers... They receive the full benefits of vaccination... because the vast majority who are vaccinated keep these diseases in check.

[FormerLurker]

WHO SMALLPOX ERADICATION SUCCESS RECONSIDERED

--R Obosawin MD

 Although smallpox is apparently now accorded to the history books, it will be necessary to re-examine the issue of this disease having been universally eradicated, with particular reference to the WHO eradication campaign. An honest look at this question is of considerable importance, as the current worldwide UCI-EPI program gains much of its legitimacy and inspiration from this widely acclaimed success story.

A strong challenge to this now popular view, is reflected in the post-campaign findings of medical researchers like Buttram and Hoffman:

Most people probably credit the smallpox vaccine with playing the major role in recent eradication of smallpox throughout the world, but let us examine the facts. In the article 'Vaccines a Future in Question,' statistics showed that less than 10 percent of children in developing countries have received vaccines.

They went on to comment that with this level of coverage, the WHO campaign was not a real factor in the eradication. Data obtained in their broad based research also led them to conclude that "mass smallpox vaccination was not necessary for the eradication of smallpox.

In further examining this question from a longer historical perspective, it became readily apparent that the WHO claim did not at all square with the earlier data, i.e., historical smallpox eradication efforts. If we go back as far as the last century, we discover that Creighton's independent research findings as published in the Ninth Edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, strongly contradict the effectiveness of mass smallpox immunization programs. A few revealing excerpts follow: . . . in Bavaria in 1871 of 30,742 cases 29,429 were in vaccinated persons, or 95.7 percent.

Notwithstanding the fact that Prussia was the best re-vaccinated country in Europe, its mortality from smallpox in the epidemic of 1871 was higher (69,839) than any other Northern state.

According to a competent statistician (A. Vogt), the death-rate from smallpox in the German army, in which all recruits are re-vaccinated, was 60 percent more than among the civil population of the same age . . . although re-vaccination is not obligatory among the latter.

 It is often alleged that the unvaccinated are so much inflammable material in the midst of the community, and that smallpox begins among them and gathers force so that it sweeps even the vaccinated before it. Inquiry into the facts has shown that at Cologne in 1870 the first unvaccinated person attacked by smallpox was the 174th in order of time, at Bonn the same year the 42d, and at Liegnitz in 1871 the 225th.

As we move on into the earlier part of this century we find the same dismal picture of increased susceptibility correlated with increased vaccination coverage. Dettman and Kalokerinos describe a visit they paid to the Philippines about 15 years ago: . . . We were fortunate enough to address their own medical (and) health officials where we reminded them of the incidence of smallpox in formerly "immunized" Filipinos. We invited them to consult their own medical records and asked them to correct us if our own facts and figures disagreed. No such correction has been forthcoming, and we can only conclude that between 1918-1919 there were 112,549 cases of smallpox notified, with 60,855 deaths. Systematic (mass) vaccination started in 1905, and since its introduction case mortality increased alarmingly. Their own records comment that "The mortality is hardly explainable."

Speaking at a 1973 environmental conference in Brussels, Professor George Dick admitted that in recent decades, 75 percent of those that have contracted smallpox in Britain, have had prior a history of vaccination. In that "only 40%" of children were vaccinated (and at most 10 percent of adults), such figures clearly indicate that the vaccinated--as in the much earlier historical record--continue to show a higher tendency to contract the disease. Dick also admitted that smallpox had been eradicated in certain tropical countries without mass vaccination.

(Table VIII reveals that in the 16 year period preceding the year the WHO eradication campaign was launched--38 additional countries had ceased to report any smallpox cases.)

A. Hutchison writing in the Journal of the Royal Society in 1974, referred to the smallpox vaccines "lack of potency" and the inadequacies of
other measures for containment, in his words, "I have given details of the various outbreaks of smallpox in Britain and where they were diagnosed.

These clearly indicate that the (preventive) measures are most ineffective.

An article in the New Scientist indicates that "The smallpox family of viruses is genetically unstable," and that new viral strains which threaten the "WHO smallpox eradication programme, could emerge anywhere.

It is thus of interest that in a 1980 article in the Australasian Nurses Journal, Dettman and Kalokerinos pointed out that electron-microscopy cannot distinguish between the various "poxviruses.

(According to D, de Saving of IDRC, as of 1990 DNA sequencing can make the distinquishment.

What is not known though, is whether this has any bearing on the reporting of the various "pox" diseases worldwide.) This fact led them to raise a vitally significant question "as to whether smallpox may be declared conquered, (it's estimated that only 10 percent of the world population actually received the vaccine) with the possibility of it masquerading under the guise of a similar pox." Their line of evidence and reasoning is summarily stated: . . . we claim that if the evidence is honestly evaluated that smallpox has actually been prolonged and that the so called protective vaccinations actually put the recipient at risk from . . . the disease itself. Authorities now realize this and the 'top world' countries are
making vociferous protests about third world countries continuing use of smallpox vaccination because (a) suddenly it has become recognized that it is an extremely dangerous procedure, (To give some idea of the vaccine's dangers, it was reported--in the late sixties--that annually, roughly 3,000 children were experiencing varying degrees of brain damage due to the smallpox vaccine; and according to G. Kiftel in 1967, smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children in West Germany, of which 71 became totally deaf.117) and (b) it has now been conquered. The ultimate in ingenuity. . . .

In turning to recognized textbooks on human virology and vertebrate viruses we find that attention has been given since 1970 to a disease called "monkeypox," which is said to be "clinically indistinguishable from smallpox." Cases of this disease have been found in Zaire, Cameroon, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Liberia, and Sierra Leone (by May 1983, 101 cases have been reported). It is observed that " . . . the existence of a virus that can cause clinical smallpox is disturbing, and the situation is being closely monitored."

(For a highly detailed account of the history of this disease and efforts to eradicate it, which further corroborates these observations, see, Razzell P., The Conquest of Smallpox, Caliban Books, United Kingdom, 1977.)

[FormerLurker]

I read somewhere that German soldiers were given flouride because it made them follow orders better.

The Nazis also fluoridated the water in their concentration camps, more than likely for the same reason, it made them easier to control....

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

"If smallpox vaccines are made available to the general public, I will not stand in line for one. I will shove my way to the front of the line!"<.i>

We will do the same.

We had smallpox vaccines when we were young. We just don't remember one single adverse reaction. I wonder if there are any stats on this vaccine historically that prove these numbers? (I admit I need to read this article in better detail..and will bookmark for a later read).

But we are with you.. we'll march up and stand in line in a heartbeat.

[okie01]

"Ah, that explains your position on this. Those studies have been found to be seriously flawed."

You misunderstand. It explains my knowledge on this. I was there. I saw the evidence first-hand. And I know how it was collected.

There is no factual basis from which to contend that fluoride -- naturally occurring in water, in topical application, or in toothpaste -- does not inhibit the formation of caries. This is a settled matter.

Unfortunately,

Respected Medical Professionals and Scientists are warning that water fluoridation has dangerous long-term health consequences.

Former NIH (National Inst. of Health) scientist opposed to fluoride

...every profession seems to have its lunatic fringe.

Understand that there is no necessity for you to believe me or anybody else on this subject. You don't have to buy the toothpaste and, if it's fluoridated, you don't even have to drink the tapwater where you live -- there is bottled water.

Just understand that you're choosing to believe something that isn't really so. It was good enough for The Flat Earth Society, why not you?

[Coleus]

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[jd777]

"that's why I only drink rainwater or pure distilled water, Have you noticed that, Mandrake?" --- Sterling Hayden in "DR STRANGELOVE".

Btw, what is so good about flouride? They don't use it in Europe.

[FormerLurker]

Former NIH (National Inst. of Health) scientist opposed to fluoride

...every profession seems to have its lunatic fringe.

I suppose all of the research scientists and medical organizations quoted below are part of this so-called "lunatic fringe" as well?

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They are made by the top medical authorities in our nation based on the latest medical research.

"The American Medical Association is NOT prepared to state that no harm will be done to any person by water fluoridation. The AMA has not carried out any research work, either long-term or short-term, regarding the possibility of any side effects." - Dr. Flanagan, Assistant Director of Environmental Health, American Medical Association. [actual letter] "Based on data from the National Academy of Sciences, current levels of fluoride exposure in drinking water may cause arthritis in a substantial portion of the population long before they reach old age" -Dr. Robert Carton, former EPA Scientist. "Fluorides are general protoplasmic poisons, probably because of their capacity to modify the metabolism of cells by changing the permeability of the cell membrane and by inhibiting certain enzyme systems." Journal of the American Medical Association, Sept 18, 1943 Segments of the population are unusually susceptible to the toxic effects of fluoride. They include "postmenopausal women and elderly men, pregnant woman and their fetuses, people with deficiencies of calcium, magnesium and/or vitamin C, and people with cardiovascular and kidney problems." United States Public Health Service Report (ATSDR TP-91/17, pg. 112, Sec.2.7, April 1993) "fluoride exposure, at levels that are experienced by a significant proportion of the population whose drinking water is fluoridated, may have adverse impacts on the developing brain." Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility, May 2000 "It is now clear that fluoride is a potentially harmful substance when present in the drinking water in any amount." Dr. Simon Beisler, Chief of Urlogy, Roosevelt Hospital and Past President of the American Urological Association. "The plain fact that fluorine is an insidious poison harmful, toxic and cumulative in its effects, even when ingested in minimal amounts, will remain unchanged no matter how many times it will be repeated in print that fluoridation of the water supply is 'safe.'" Dr. Ludgwig Grosse, Chief of Cancer Research, U.S. Veterans Administration. In Harlem, NY, which has been fluoridated for 32 years, "There's more dental decay among these kids; we see the beginning of inflamed gingivitis in their mouths." American Dental Association, May 2000 "The CDA emphasizes that the need for fluoride depends on overall exposure, including place of residence, diet and oral health habits. and "The CDA recognizes the need to continue to monitor studies on fluoride and general health." Canadian Dental Association, May, 2000 "Fluoride has been shown to adversely effect the central nervous system, causing behavioral changes, increased hip fractures and reproduction problems." Natick Report Research Team [Research Microbiologist, U.S. Army, Dr. B. J. Gallo, Environmental Chemist, J. Kupperschmidt Apollo Program Project Scientist, Dr. N.R. Mancuso, U.S. Army Natick Research Labs, A. Murray, Molecular Biologist, Dr. Strauss] "I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs. Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable." - Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association. "fluoridation ... it is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has." - Dr. Professor Albert Schatz, (Microbiology), co-discoverer of Streptomycin, the cure for tuberculosis and numerous other bacterial infections. Fluoride may be destroying our bones, our teeth and overall health.. it doesn't need to be added to our water and we may be taking unnecessary risks by doing so. - Dr. Hardy Limeback, a leading Canadian fluoride authority, former fluoride advocate and long-standing consultant to Canadian Dental Association. (read his rationale) "The evidence against the safety of this public health policy keeps mounting; it is too compelling to ignore." - Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, Children's Hospital, Boston "By 1983 I was thoroughly convinced that fluoridation caused more harm than good. I expressed the opinion that some of these children with dental fluorosis could, just possibly, have also suffered harm to their bones" - Dr. Colquhoun, former Principal Dental Officer for Auckland New Zealand. (read his rationale) ".. the evidence is quite convincing that the addition of sodium fluoride to the public water supply at one part per million is extremely deleterious to the human body". - Chief Justice John Flaherty, of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania (presided over litigation involving fluoridation) "This record is barren of any credible and reputable scientific epidemiological studies and/or analysis of statistical data which would support the Illinois Legislatures determination that fluoridation of the water supplies is both a safe and effective means of promoting public health." - Illinois Judge Ronald Niemann (presided over litigation involving fluoridation) "the artificial fluoridation of public water supplies, such as contemplated by (Houston) City ordinance No. 80-2530 may cause or may contribute to the cause of cancer, genetic damage, intolerant reactions, and chronic toxicity, including dental mottling, in man; that the said artificial fluoridation may aggravate malnutrition and existing illnesses in man; and that the value of said artificial fluoridation is in doubt as to the reduction of tooth decay in man." - Texas Judge Anthony Farris (presided over litigation involving fluoridation) "E.P.A. should act immediately to protect the public, not just on the cancer data, but on the evidence of bone fractures, arthritis, mutagenicity and other effects." - Dr. William Marcus, Senior Toxicologist at E.P.A. In 1996, there were approximately 340,000 hospital admissions for hip fractures in the United States. Women sustain 75 percent-80 percent of all hip fractures. Medicare costs for hip fractures were estimated at $2.9 billion in 1991. Centers for Disease Control "About one-half of the people with hip fractures end up in nursing homes, and in the year following the fracture, 20 per cent of them die." Harold Slavkin, Director of National Institute of Dental Research (JADA 1999) "..fluoride damages bone even at levels added to public drinking water" American Journal of Epidemiology, October 1999 "Since 1990, five major epidemiological studies from three countries-the United States, United Kingdom and France-- showing a higher rate of hip fractures in fluoridated regions.." Australian & New Zealand Journal of Public Health, 1997 vol. 21 no. 24 "..significant increase in the risk of hip fracture in both men and women exposed to artificial fluoridation at 1 ppm." Journal of the American Medical Association, August 1992 "..the recommended "optimal" intake (a level that has yet to be determined scientifically)." Journal of the American Dental Association, Dec. 1995 "Water contains a number of substances that are undesirable, and fluorides are just one of them" stated Dr. F. A. Bull, State Dental Director of Wisconsin, speaking at the Fourth Annual Conference of State Dental Directors. Hundreds of millions of dollars may be wasted annually on children's fluoride treatments by dentists. Typically given once or twice a year at routine checkups, the treatments do nothing to reduce cavities in kids, says a study of insurance records. Journal of Public Health Dentistry In June of 1999, the Majority Chairman of the Environmental Resources Committee, Pennsylvania House of Representatives stated ".. there is no solid scientific or medical evidence to show that fluoridation is of any beneficial help to public health, safety or welfare." The former editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association said he often received telephone calls from irate AMA members and letters from state medical societies and AMA officers "threatening political action against the editor and the Journal for publishing what offended them ideologically, or more likely imposed on (physicians') ability to earn money." (article) - Mr. Lundberg, editor of JAMA for 17 years  "That the artificial fluoridation of public water supplies, such as is contemplated by [Houston] City Ordinance No. 80-2530, may cause or may contribute to the cause of cancer, genetic damage, intolerant reactions, and chronic toxicity, including dental mottling, in man; that the said artificial fluoridation may aggravate malnutrition and existing illnesses in man; and that the value of said artificial fluoridation is in doubt as to the reduction of tooth decay in man." - Judge Farris, presiding judge in a case involving the fluoridation of Houston's water. The Washington Bureau editor of AD Impact, the monthly publication of the Academy of General Dentistry, wrote last year that supporters of fluoridation have had an "unwillingness to release any information that would cast fluorides in a negative light," and that organized dentistry has lost "its objectivity - the ability to consider varying viewpoints together with scientific data to reach a sensible conclusion." "All of the organizations promoting water fluoridation agree that dental fluorosis, which is the first visible sign of systemic poisoning, increases with water fluoride levels." Dr. Kennedy, Past President of International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology and a practicing Dentist for 20 years. These are strong, deliberate statements. They are made by the top medical authorities in our nation based on the latest medical research. Their voices are not alone, look at a partial list of dentists & medical doctors, Environmental Protection Agency Scientists and even a number of State Dental Directors are critical of the benefits.   Pdf file of this page