Bits Of History Suggest Utah Is Location Of Mythic Aztlan

The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 11-17-2002 | Tim Sullivan

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Perhaps not. Spanish-speaking people have been joining the "Mormon" Church in droves for decades and soon will constitute a majority of Church members worldwide.

LDS doctrine holds that Mexicans and other Hispanics are descendants of an ancient New World tribe called Lamanites, the members of which already have begun to "blossom as the rose" in accordance with 19th- and 20th-century prophecy. And Central and South America are now dotted with an increasing number of temples of the Church.

My wife, a gringo from Idaho, in the 80's served a full-time mission for the Church in Spain and to this day is an ATA-certified translator, so I suppose that I'm "covered." Indeed, I have begun to learn Spanish in preparation for possible Church service in the future and for more immediate reasons related to some part-time activities related to criminal justice......

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I forgot to add that Native Americans also are Lamanites, according to Church doctrine, and that missionary activity efforts in "Lamanite" lands is increasing at an amazing rate....

[billbears]

It'd be just as silly for Americans of European descent to go over to Europe and insist they have some kind of rights over there. Maybe I'll go to Ireland and try that

What? For Indians to declare the land they lived on theirs instead of ours? I'm Cherokee/Scotch/Irish(as many are in the Western half of NC) and I don't think it's unreasonable considering union soldiers forced some of my ancestors to march halfway across the nation and the other half they burned their houses down while they were defending them

[FITZ]

I'm Cherokee/Scotch/Irish(as many are in the Western half of NC) and I don't think it's unreasonable considering union soldiers forced some of my ancestors to march halfway across the nation and the other half they burned their houses down while they were defending them.

Generations later? Can you go to Ireland or Scotland also and demand "your" land back? Maybe those ancestors were forced off their lands too, maybe by unreasonable or bad policies in those countries at the time they left. I don't own any land my ancestors lived on or owned ---do I have some claim somewhere I don't know about? We all have ancestors after all ---not just American Indians or Mexican Indians. Where's all the land I can claim? Maybe some Celtic tribe got pushed off some place and I want it back.

[lds23]

Reminds me of that Dave Barry quote:

"This land is your land,
This land is my land,
Looks like somebody,
Forged the deed to this land...."

:)

[Tax-chick]

My numerous progeny are trained housecleaners (and I have a management degree). Occasionally we're employed by people with 5000 sq.ft. houses in Southern Hills, whose children don't feel they should have to clean ...

[billbears]

So because less than 5 generations have passed, I'm supposed to just accept it and move on? I can see 10 or 12 generations maybe, but less than 5 I can't. This nation was established by different laws than Ireland or Scotland. Things were supposed to be so much better than the 'old world' ways. Yet your argument is that the Army pushed them off and they should stay pushed off? Your argument would be valid except that these US do not practice the same argument in foreign affairs. The Jewish people were pushed out of the land of Israel and, with the help of these US, reestablished their homeland rightly so after thousands of years. Sounds like more than a few generations to me

[montag813]

Acting upon a command from a spirit, these people left Aztlan and went south until they came upon an eagle devouring a serpent in the present-day location of Mexico City

Real smart move, eh?

They can keep lovely Mexico City, but keep your damn paws off our beloved Utah.

[JudyB1938]

My kids were trained, too. The oldest daughter would hide dirty clothes under her bed. The middle daughter would hide dishes outside until she was ready to do them. I just knew I was failing as a mother. LOL But today, they keep spotless houses.

[Elsie]

I forgot to add that Native Americans also are Lamanites, according to Church doctrine, and that missionary activity efforts in "Lamanite" lands is increasing at an amazing rate....

At least the writer of this article 'claimed' to have some rock scratchings that lent SOME kind of crediblity to his claim (although I saw NO indication of what he was talking about on the pages that I posted earlier).

The Mormon's have zip info along archeological lines to back up Joseph Smith's claims.

[drstevej]

Where are the descendants of the Lamanites that God turned black in 2 Nephi 5:21-22?...

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THE SECOND BOOK OF NEPHI

CHAPTER 5

The Nephites separate themselves from the Lamanites, keep the law of Moses, and build a temple—Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites are cursed, receive a skin of blackness, and become a scourge unto the Nephites. [Between 588 and 559 B.C.]

21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

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Go back and read my post, doc. And note that the history of the descendants of Laman did not end in Book of Mormon times........

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So you say -- incorrectly. In any event, the presence or absence of "archeological evidence" proves nothing.......

[Wrigley]

In any event, the presence or absence of "archeological evidence" proves nothing.......

Yeah, it proves nothing in the BoM to be true.

[Elsie]

Go back and read my post, doc. And note that the history of the descendants of Laman did not end in Book of Mormon times........

You MUST be right: they were so persecuted there that all of them set sail and landed in Africa to colonize THAT place, for when the first European explorers wrote down their exploits in the Americas, there were NO BLACK SKINNED PEOPLE mentioned. Of course, by your reasoning, that doesn't mean they WEREN'T here, just that the 'Lamites' (Native Americans) seem to have RED skin - not BLACK!

[drstevej]

But what happened to these who were turned black. Did they have non black kids or are there still black Lamanites around?

[Elsie]

the presence or absence of "archeological evidence" proves nothing.......

You can't POSSIBLY believe this!!!

[Wrigley]

And note that the history of the descendants of Laman did not end in Book of Mormon times........

So, is this how we recoginize the Lamanites today?

[FITZ]

Maybe if there are still some pure Indians they could say they have a right to certain lands but a lot of the Indians today have just as much European or African blood as they do Indian blood which means they also have to go back to Europe. It's like reparations for descendents of former slaves ---how much of our long dead ancestors' things are we really entitled to? To give Indians back what they once had, you'd have to give them back the whole Western hemisphere but even then they were pushing each other out of areas. Chances are Aztecs left what is now the SW USA because Apaches or someone made them go.

[RnMomof7]

So you say -- incorrectly. In any event, the presence or absence of "archeological evidence" proves nothing.......

LOL Yea they were here but we can not prove it

Tracer if it was not VERY important your church would not do tall the "research" they do ..it is IMPORTANT because without ANY proof it is just another fairy tale