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Speculation: New Zealand - A change in no nukes policy?
Richard Prebble's "Letter from Wellington". | Monday, November 18 2002 | Richard Prebble (ACT member of Parliament) New Zealand

Posted on 11/17/2002 5:56:17 PM PST by shaggy eel

Is Labour about to change the nuclear policy? Inquiries by "The Letter" reveal that the issue has not been debated within the party but in the Byzantine government of Helen Clark, that means little. Last week’s snap decision to send Te Kaha and an Orion to the Gulf war was not discussed. The Letter believes that a ‘finesse’ of New Zealand nuclear free legislation to enable a nuclear powered ship to visit is being seriously considered.

Consider the evidence. Labour wants a Free Trade Agreement [FTA] with the US and the cost is a change to the nuclear free law. Labour sent a frigate and an Orion to the Gulf and carefully refused to rule out assistance to a US/UN sanctioned strike against Iraq.

Those who say Clark would never make a change are precisely the same people who said Labour would never send the SAS to Afghanistan. Clark’s strategy has been to take the centre ground. How could National oppose a change? The Alliance party no longer exists. The Greens are no real threat.

The politics of a change in policy are compelling. The idea that Michael Cullen just let it slip that the nuclear issue is the stumbling block to free trade is silly. Ministers never just let things slip out. Labour is feeling out the ground.

Australia/US free trade agreement

The number one foreign policy objective of successive governments has been to obtain a FTA with the USA, the world’s largest economy. This week a letter from Robert B Zoellick, the chief trade negotiator, advised the Senate that USA was commencing negotiating with Australia excluding New Zealand - our worst nightmare.

Why is it bad news?

As a minimum a FTA will cover manufactured goods. A firm like Fisher & Paykel that exports its special dishwashers and health products to the USA will have to transfer production to its Australian plants.

As big as Britain entering the EC

The Knowledge Wave Trust in its report of 8 October stated that “… a FTA with the US is a clear priority. The impact of Australia succeeding in securing a free trade agreement without NZ will be of similar impact to the UK entering the European Union in 1973.”

A lifeline

The government was surprised that Zoellick’s letter to congress included mention of New Zealand: “Given the integration of the economies of Australia and New Zealand, New Zealand has been advocating its case to the Administration, as well as to Congress, that a FTA with New Zealand would complement our FTAs with Singapore and Australia. We will be soliciting the views of the Congress on this matter as we move forward with the Australian FTA.” (See the whole letter on www.act.org.nz/zoellick)

The Labour government had been told that the FTA was going ahead with Australia and both Australia and the USA had said no to including NZ. Mr Stanley, the US businessman who heads the NZ/American Chamber of Commerce, said publicly that the Bush administration saw no prospect of an FTA while the nuclear issue was unresolved.

Quid pro quo for Te Kaha

Senior officials believe that the unexpected inclusion of a reference to NZ is due to the repositioning of Te Kaha to the Gulf and Helen Clark’s careful refusal to rule out NZ joining a US/UN sanctioned invasion of Iraq.

What is the problem?

The US is aware that the NZ government’s own independent inquiry headed by our top scientists found that the nuclear reactor on a ship was so small it did not pose any conceivable risk. Auckland hospital emits more radiation each day than the whole US fleet in a year!

The huge growth in trade between Australia and NZ since the signing of CER demonstrates how effective free trade is. A liberal FTA by itself guarantees 4% growth a year which is a doubling of income in 18 years. There is not a social issue – from health to the sustainability of superannuation – that would not be transformed by a doubling of wealth.

ACT’s private members bill

ACT MPs believe the ban on nuclear propulsion is absurd. ACT deputy leader Hon Ken Shirley is seeking to introduce a bill that amends the nuclear free law in NZ to allow nuclear powered ships to enter NZ waters.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Free Republic
KEYWORDS: defense; freetrade; freetradeagreement; helenclark; newzealand; nonukespolicy
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To: rintense
,,, unemployment stands at 5,3%. Klark keeps fine tuning things in order to keep the middle ground/largest blocks of voters happy, like in most other countries. It seems that a coalition government, results from what polls show her plus pressure from economic moves like this will ensure she can't blaze trails too much.
21 posted on 11/17/2002 6:57:35 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
Thanks for the ping eel!
22 posted on 11/17/2002 7:04:10 PM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: dubyaismypresident
,,, you're welcome dubya.
23 posted on 11/17/2002 7:05:17 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: skull stomper
,,, who said you lied? It could have been that your ship's reactor was running close to certification running out or something. Any number of reasons could have precluded it visiting. It sounds like all aboard wanted to come on down though. It's a pity you didn't get here.
25 posted on 11/17/2002 7:13:56 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
You will do it our way or else!

Sarcasm aside, a free trade agreement would change things on the agricultural front. Thanks for the ping.

27 posted on 11/17/2002 7:41:47 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: shaggy eel
,,, we had nuclear propelled and armed ships here from the US up to the mid 1980s. USS Truxton was one of the last ships I remember coming here.

Hey there Shaggy! Good memory on the USS Truxton. One of my good friends from high school was on his West Pac tour on that boat at the time and I remember him saying he was down there. I do hope we'll see the trade between the US and NZ grow!

Cheers mate!

28 posted on 11/17/2002 8:03:28 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: shaggy eel
Shag...

Those socialist Zoolanders could go back to sails only rather than compromise their principles. When a severe pain evolves in the wallet, their principles are meaningless tripe.

29 posted on 11/18/2002 3:21:41 AM PST by cynicom
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To: shaggy eel; NativeNewYorker
<< ... that's what it amounts to. Play ball with us or we'll stick the bat up your... >>

We [More Polite and Civilized] Americans tend to think of it as "grow up Kidlywinks"

[Or we will stick your baby bat up your arse and take our balls, our market -- and our Marine Corps -- home!]

HehHehHeh ......
30 posted on 11/18/2002 5:42:39 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
The world is getting increasingly dangerous. Acting rationally is a tiny price to pay for a spot under Uncle Sam's big umbrella.
31 posted on 11/18/2002 5:56:17 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker; shaggy eel
Acting rationally is a tiny price to pay for a spot under Uncle Sam's big umbrella.

And it's even good for business, to boot. It's the kind of deal where everybody wins, so naturally, Clark will find some way to **** it up.

Well, let's hope not ;)

32 posted on 11/18/2002 6:10:26 AM PST by general_re
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To: farmfriend
I don't see that it is 'our way or else'. "If you're not going to help bake that cake, you don't get to eat it"..said Mrs. Hen to the freeloaders.
33 posted on 11/18/2002 6:25:23 AM PST by metacognative
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To: metacognative
You missed the sarcasm in the post. It was directed at Mr. Eel, and he knows what I meant.
34 posted on 11/18/2002 7:37:22 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: All
,,, my first ever post on FR addressed New Zealand's nonsensical no nukes policy. The world has changed since Sept 11 and we knew down the track there would be ramifications far beyond higher insurance premiums. This is a perfect chance for New Zealand to proclaim that our future doesn't lie with the developing world and align our policies accordingly. Klark is smart enough to know that anything less would be suicide.
35 posted on 11/18/2002 10:49:41 AM PST by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
I like to see politicians forced from the left just to please their constituency. Our poor Hillary is undergoing the same fate. Good for NZ!
36 posted on 11/18/2002 12:57:22 PM PST by stanz
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To: shaggy eel
New Zealand has about as much leverage over U.S. policy as Liechtenstein has. Perhaps less, in light of the number of large corporations headquartered in the latter country.
37 posted on 11/18/2002 1:25:45 PM PST by Man of the Right
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To: stanz
BUMP
38 posted on 11/18/2002 2:19:06 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: NativeNewYorker; shaggy eel
Welcoming Our Navy back into their ports will sit very comfortably indeed with most New Zealanders who remember their debt to Our Nation's WW2 dead. The love and gratitude that most of them direct toward America has never faltered, notwithstanding the boorish stupidity and borderline insanity of that tiny percentage of them that sway elections one one or the other -- and elect the likes of the loathsome, fearsome and freakish pervert, KKKlark!

The Kiwis are with US.

39 posted on 11/18/2002 2:47:48 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
,,, interesting comment in post #37 Brian. For as little as NZ doesn't matter, it's caused a lot of hassle. Hopefully Klark will act on this opportunity. It will sit well with the right and keep her in the life she's become accustomed to for a while longer.
40 posted on 11/18/2002 2:54:03 PM PST by shaggy eel
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