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CIA Releases New 'Noah's Ark' Documents
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| Nov. 13, 2002
| Timothy W. Maier
Posted on 11/21/2002 11:50:10 AM PST by Ready2go
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posted on
11/21/2002 11:50:11 AM PST
by
Ready2go
To: Ready2go
Yes, but when are they going to release info about the Ark of the Covenant, which rumor has it was stored away in a government warehouse during WWII?
Seriously, looking at shapes in the snow on a mountain is like looking for faces in cloud patterns. You can see anything you want to see if you look around enough and look hard enough (IMHO).
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posted on
11/21/2002 11:59:54 AM PST
by
SteveH
To: Ready2go
Perhaps they dont want it release 1) because it is inconclusive and 2) because the nation of Turkey has in the past not been very interested in having treasure hunters or even legit archeologists running around in that area where there are still hostilities between the Turks and Kurd rebels.
Also, Turkey is polulated by moslems who know that they are descendants of Noah. They dont need scientific truth of that. Why do us Westerners seem to feel they need to be able to point to the ark in order to believe?
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posted on
11/21/2002 12:17:21 PM PST
by
Dave S
To: Ready2go
Perhaps they dont want it release 1) because it is inconclusive and 2) because the nation of Turkey has in the past not been very interested in having treasure hunters or even legit archeologists running around in that area where there are still hostilities between the Turks and Kurd rebels.
Also, Turkey is polulated by moslems who know that they are descendants of Noah. They dont need scientific truth of that. Why do us Westerners seem to feel they need to be able to point to the ark in order to believe?
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posted on
11/21/2002 12:17:25 PM PST
by
Dave S
To: Ready2go
Perhaps they dont want it release 1) because it is inconclusive and 2) because the nation of Turkey has in the past not been very interested in having treasure hunters or even legit archeologists running around in that area where there are still hostilities between the Turks and Kurd rebels.
Also, Turkey is polulated by moslems who know that they are descendants of Noah. They dont need scientific truth of that. Why do us Westerners seem to feel they need to be able to point to the ark in order to believe?
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posted on
11/21/2002 12:17:25 PM PST
by
Dave S
To: Ready2go
Quickbird was scheduled to image the anomaly also. I have not heard anything about it in the last year though. Anyone know if those shots were taken or have been released?
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posted on
11/21/2002 12:24:35 PM PST
by
ZGuy
To: Dave S
Perhaps they don't NEED it 'to believe', but WANT it to PRESERVE it.
To: Ready2go
Please, if we know exactly where it is, why waist time looking at sat photos. You send in a team and confirm it. Mount Ararat is not like Everest or K-2 and since the exact location is known the expedition could be done in less than a week.
As for the Kerds, I don't think they would mess with a US expedition right now. We would have to include some Turks for the permissions. Might as well send in the I-Max team as well just for fun.
If anything were there it would have been discovered long ago. Think of the tourist dollars Turkey could rake in.
Lets just push Geraldo out of a helicopter and let him look.
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posted on
11/21/2002 1:05:17 PM PST
by
usurper
To: SteveH
The Ark of the Covenant is stored in Ethiopia. Really. Ethiopia is home to some of the original Christian sects, and has supposedly been the storage place of the Ark since the 1400's. Only two people have been in charge of guarding it since then. (Long life as with the patriarchs.) Source for this: National Geographic
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posted on
11/21/2002 4:39:46 PM PST
by
11B3
To: Ready2go
I have a question for those that believe in the literal view of the truth of this story. The ark according to the NIV was 450 feet long by 75 feet wide by 45 feet high having three decks of 15 feet. The square feet area of a deck, 33,750 sq ft. is smaller than a modern football field with the field dimensons being 120 by 360, 43,200sq ft. Now on this ark was not only all the animals of the earth in pair but also Noah and family and provisions to last the more than 250 days until the door is opened. Now the total deck surface of the ark is 33,750 x 3 equals 101,250 square feet. And the total volume is 101,250 times 15 or 1,518,750 cubic feet (56,250 cubic yards). Is it possible to store all the animals and provisions for the time period in this space?
To: Ready2go
Here is the photo that first located the anomaly. It was taken by a US Air Force mission on June 19,1949
Hete is a photo from space taken by the satellite Ikonos on August 11, 2000.
To: Ready2go
For further information on my #10 post. There are approximately the following species that had to be on the ark.
251,000 insects
123,000 antrapoda (spiders, mites)
12,000 flatworms
12,000 roundworms
12,000 earthworms
9,000 birds
6,300 reptiles
4,184 amphpia
4,000 mammals
Multiply each by 2 and remember that provisions were also needed. Now just assuming 8,000 mammals that means there is just 12 sq ft (3.5 ft x 3.5 ft) for each mammal and provisions for that mammal. In that space would need to be at least 2 amphia, 3 reptiles, 4 birds, 18 worms, plus insects.
To: Investment Biker
I have a question for those that believe in the literal view of the truth of this story.... Is it possible to store all the animals and provisions for the time period in this space?See the excerpt below for one view on this. The link will take you to the source. Christian evidences is a fascinitng study, but I also try to follow the cliche "God said it, I believe it, that settles it!"
The Ark measured 300x50x30 cubits (Genesis 6:15) which is about 140x23x13.5 metres or 459x75x44 feet, so its volume was 43,500 m3 (cubic metres) or 1.54 million cubic feet. To put this in perspective, this is the equivalent volume of 522 standard American railroad stock cars, each of which can hold 240 sheep. If the animals were kept in cages with an average size of 50x50x30 centimetres (20x20x12 inches), that is 75,000 cm3 (cubic centimetres) or 4800 cubic inches, the 16,000 animals would only occupy 1200 m3 (42,000 cubic feet) or 14.4 stock cars. Even if a million insect species had to be on board, it would not be a problem, because they require little space. If each pair was kept in cages of 10 cm (four inches) per side, or 1000 cm3, all the insect species would occupy a total volume of only 1000 m3, or another 12 cars. This would leave room for five trains of 99 cars each for food, Noahs family and range for the animals. However, insects are not included in the meaning of behemah or remes in Genesis 6:19-20, so Noah probably would not have taken them on board as passengers anyway. Tabulating the total volume is fair enough, since this shows that there would be plenty of room on the Ark for the animals with plenty left over for food, range etc. It would be possible to stack cages, with food on top or nearby (to minimize the amount of food carrying the humans had to do), to fill up more of the Ark space, while still allowing plenty of room for gaps for air circulation. We are discussing an emergency situation, not necessarily luxury accommodation. Although there is plenty of room for exercise, skeptics have overstated animals needs for exercise anyway. Even if we dont allow stacking one cage on top of another to save floor space, there would be no problem. Woodmorappe shows from standard recommended floor space requirements for animals that all of them together would have needed less than half the available floor space of the Arks three decks. This arrangement allows for the maximum amount of food and water storage on top of the cages close to the animals.
(How did all the animals fit on Noahs Ark?)
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To: SteveH
Yes, but when are they going to release info about the Ark of the Covenant, which rumor has it was stored away in a government warehouse during WWII?
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posted on
11/22/2002 9:36:57 AM PST
by
mhking
To: Buck Turgidson
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/images/wpe24.jpg
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark-05.htm
Pretty compelling pictures here...I cant post.....But Turkey has a visitor center set up there...next to the ark. Ron Wyatt site is very interesting.
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posted on
11/22/2002 9:37:07 AM PST
by
Delbert
Comment #17 Removed by Moderator
To: 1riot1ranger
To: Investment Biker
Most of the insects and other arthropods, as well as many plants, that survived the flood probably floated on gigantic mats of floating vegetation. The animals on the ark would mostly have been vertebrates.
Most animals are known to hibernate or estivate during periods of extreme weather, so many of the creatures may have been very inactive in this time period.
Also Noah likely took smaller immature animals on the ark, that have been easier to care for. There would have been plenty of room for all modern animals and even extinct animals like dinosaurs.
Finally, many animals that are considered different species may have developed from a single pair on the ark. For example, Asian elephants and African elephants are different species, but they may have descended from a single pair of elephants on the ark. This is true for almost all species of vertibrates.
To: Investment Biker
There is no number for the animals on the Ark recorded. You are guessing.
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