Sabre-tooths and Hominids

Instituto Geologico y Minero de Espana ^ | Alfonso Arribas & Paul Palmqvist

[Mike Darancette]

Thank you Bump.

[Grut]

Not everyone 'buys' the "Out Of Africa" theory.

True. The similarity in debating technique between Homo academis and Alouatta caraya argues strongly for a South American origin.

[xp38]

Nothing like a little self promotion :)

[blam]

"Understood. Take a look at "Out of Africa and China?""

Yup, I read that.

There are claims/reports of 2.25 million yo human bones (with tools) in a cave in China. Disputed, of course.

[capitan_refugio]

When I lived in Los Angeles, I was a memeber at the Page Museum of La Brea Discoveries (i.e. the La Brea Tar Pits). If you are in Los Angeles, this should be one of your stops (not too far away from the Pedersen Automobile Museum too).

A friend of mine told me that when he was young, his father had told him the natural gas bubbles that can be seen rising in the tar pits, were Imperial Mammoth farts. What a laugh. Everybody knows that they are sabertooth's farts! ;^)

[Sabertooth]

*If you can have a thread about the sabertooth...

**Nothing like a little self promotion :)

Y'all got a bone to pick with my vanity post?

[solzhenitsyn]

Thanks for a fascinating article, Sabertooth.

[VadeRetro]

Still digesting. So far, I don't have a bone to pick (Ahem!) among the theories of dispersal from Africa to Europe.

[Little Bill]

You have that right Blam. I have a few problems with the time line presented.

You have the Saberteeth going West to East along with Horses and several other species, temperate animals for temperate times, no icebergs to float over on and the sea is deep.

[Centurion2000]

Y'all got a bone to pick with my vanity post?

I bet these little beasties would have had a field day in the Roman Colliseum.

[blam]

"Now a recent find by a team of Australian researchers claims to bolster another, competing idea concerning human origins.1 DNA tests conducted on the remains of an anatomically modern human (dubbed ‘Mungo Man’) found in New South Wales, Australia in 1974 supposedly show that he was genetically different from modern humans—despite looking identical to people living today.2
This would mean that Mungo Man was not descended from the small group of Homo Sapiens that allegedly evolved in Africa.

This apparently casts doubt on the ‘out of Africa’ idea, and supports the opposing view, called the ‘regional-continuity theory’ (or ‘multi-regional’ or ‘candelabra’ theory), which suggests ‘modern man evolved from Homo erectus[3] in several different places.’4"

[VadeRetro]

The whole time frame of this article is earlier than the origin of Homo sapiens. It's about how Homo ergaster/erectus got out of Africa. It's out of Africa, but it's not "Out of Africa."

[Little Bill]

Remnant species are found in out of the way places. It always seemed to me that species were moving into Africa rather than out.

If you read Heradotos pygmies were living in Chad about the time he was writing, they are now in the Congo. The Bushmen were pushed out by the Hottentots, who were pushed out by the Bantu, etc, ad nausium. The movement is North To South, the remnants are on the fringes.

[vikingchick]

Gosh, Saber, you really did a sloppy job of this. Try to be a little more professional next time. :)

[blam]

"It's out of Africa, but it's not "Out of Africa."

Yeah, I understand what you mean. I am a 'multi-regionalist' in the Milton Wolpoft mold.

[blam]

"The Bushmen were pushed out by the Hottentots, who were pushed out by the Bantu, etc, ad nausium."

Yup. I've read three books on the San Bushmen. They are not 'black' Africans, they are Asian and their children even have Mongol spots.
The ancient Egyptians mentioned them in their glyphs and I even saw one reference that they may be the Leprechauns of Irish legend. The female Bushmen are physically 'different' in that they have an 'apron' (skin) over the genital area, this was also mentioned by the Egyptians.

All the other races in Africa refer to the Bushmen as the 'ancient ones'.

[Little Bill]

The female Bushmen are physically 'different' in that they have an 'apron' (skin) over the genital area, this was also mentioned by the Egyptians.

The Hottentotts, did also. I have found it passing strange, that the loosers live on the edge, the nexis seems to be Central Asia, alot of strange stuff seems to have happened out there.

[Victoria Delsoul]

The fact that most African species are found in Southern Spain is explained if we consider that the Iberian Peninsula was faunally and climatically a part of Africa during the Neogene, far more than it was a part of Europe, which many palaeontologists consider to begin at the Pyrenees.

Good point. Outstanding thread, Saber. You did an excellent job.

Bookmarked.

[blam]

" the nexis seems to be Central Asia, alot of strange stuff seems to have happened out there."

Yup. Do a search on Negtitos if you want to see another group that lived 'all over' and are now on the fringes that you talked about.

[Sabertooth]

The fact that most African species are found in Southern Spain is explained if we consider that the Iberian Peninsula was faunally and climatically a part of Africa...

Are you claiming to be African American?