Group fears escalating border tension: Calls self-proclaimed militia members 'domestic terrorists'

Sierra Vista Herald-Review ^ | 11/24/02 | Bill Hess

[davisfh]

We had a vigilante group in 1775, known as "The Minute Men" -- but for them we'd all be reporting to Tony Blair.

You sir, have it exactly right.

FD

[Tancredo Fan]

Wrong. Last time that I looked, crossing the border illegally was a crime.

It's an additional crime to be working here. These people need to be rounded up and deported. Remember President Eisenhower? He did it. What's wrong with this administration?

[FITZ]

Last time that I looked, crossing the border illegally was a crime.

The Mexican government say's it's not, and it believes it now has authority over us.

[norton]

"But the main concern for Redwine is the country directly south of the United States...We need to help Mexico, not hinder it," she said.

I could not agree more,

Let's help them out by totally banning immigration from Mexico, sending back all those "job seeking" wet backs, and dropping pamphlets telling them just how they might go about fixing their own damn place before infecting ours.

I lived several years in and around Tucson, including a stint in Sierra Vista, I still have family living south of San Antonio, and I truely Hate to see this happening.

PS: Oh, by the way, since I now live in Los Angeles I'd be happy to provide authentic Huarachis, clever wood carvings, or odd spmelling leather work to anyone deprived of access to down-town Tijuana, it's moved to Broadway just below city hall.

[Riley]

There is no truth that the idea of Aztlan is to bring back parts of the Southwestern United States under Mexico, she said.

Weasel Words alert: No, the Aztlan people want to create a new country out of a big chunk of the American southwest, not return it to Mexico.

[norton]

PPS: Sorry, I left out the mass deportations part.

[NewRomeTacitus]

Castaneda said. "We are already giving instructions to our consulates that they begin propagating militant activities -- if you will -- in their communities,"
Where were their 'nads before they came here?
"...the sheriff and the county prosecutor have filed to protect immigrants."
Reason for the FBI to investigate their finances.
"Sutherland said...Once a person is in the United States, that individual has the same Constitutional rights as an American citizen."
An outright lie.
"The best thing to do is to take some of the billions of dollars being used along the border and send it to Mexico to build up their economy," the student said.
And the youth have no idea how Mexico's corrupt government vaccuums up every well-meaning aid dollar sent.
Keep your guns oiled, boys.

[RWG]

extreme right-wing groups want war with Mexico as a way to stop the flow of people coming into the United States[if you're not with us you're against us] whose only crime is to seek work...what an idiot, illegal entry is the only crime and we're not so sure about that!

[nobdysfool]

Once a person is in the United States, that individual has the same Constitutional rights as an American citizen, she said.

WRONG!!! The rights we enjoy as American citizens are ours because we ARE citizens. An illegal alien is NOT a citizen of the USA, and therefore cannot have the same rights as a citizen, otherwise, the rights are of no value at all. If a person has full rights regardless of whether or not they've broken laws, then there can be no real penalty for crime, because a penalty requires that certain rights be taken away or suspended because they committed a crime. The Bill of Rights does not grant rights, it protects rights that are universal against the intrusion and violation of government. What most people refer to as "Rights" today are actually privileges, which can be conferred or withheld. To say that an illegal alien has the same Consitutional Rights as an American citizen is to say that citizenshiop does not matter, only your location on the planet matters. That's ludicrous!

It is not a crime to seek work, but it IS a crime to enter the USA illegally in order to do so, and it IS a crime to work if they are here illegally.

Funny how misplaced compassion for illegal aliens is supposed to trump laws that are already on the books, which need to be enforced. The solution to illegal aliens is to deport them, plain and simple! What part of the laws regarding illegal aliens being illegal don't these people understand?

[FITZ]

the Aztlan people want to create a new country

The Aztlan people are all Chicanoes who are getting free money for college and aren't likely to really cut themselves off from Washington DC handouts. It'd take a long time to find one of these types who actually worked their own way through college. They're not the brightest though ---they may actually believe all that federal money is just "there".

[exnavy]

Ole' Quad-A-Loopy should take a quick review of imigration laws.

[Tancredo Fan]

Castaneda said. "We are already giving instructions to our consulates that they begin propagating militant activities -- if you will -- in their communities,"

Mexico has more consulates in the U.S. than any other country. They're everywhere, and they are nothing more than neighborhood invasion stations. The U.S. should never have allowed that hostile, despicable nation to set up so many of them on our soil. After Marxist Castaneda's remark, they should be ordered closed and their obnoxious staffs removed from the country within a few days.

[proudofthesouth]

ditto, ditto, DITTO!

[RLK]

There is no truth that the idea of Aztlan is to bring back parts of the Southwestern United States under Mexico, she said.

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That depends upon what the meaning of "is" is. Technically she is right. Mexico needs the invaded lands to remain a political portion of the United States to access federal funds and the power of federal office. But the area will become a de facto demographic and cultural part of Mexico that has the capacity to tax the United States.

[watcher1]

Mine the gap post rifle towers every 500yrds.

It's a great idea.
Too bad this will never happen
The government has no sincere interest in stopping illegals
If they did, the problem would be solved
The facts speak for themselves

[MissAmericanPie]

"As for people who claim they have private property rights, Sutherland said while that is true, those rights cannot be used if it harms migrants"

Did he just make this up? OH, just make the law up as you go along...what the heck. Illegals are not "harmed" by being detained for the border patrol, not at all.

[sarcasm]

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[B4Ranch]

What has to be recognized is that the real case is the United States is actually letting people enter the country to fill jobs and they fall under the category of invitees, she said.

I think this is the major problem right here. If our elected officials will not order the LEO's to enforce the immigration laws, then these illegal immigrants must be invitees! When the citizen vigilantees attempt to enforce the immigration laws they must be going against the wishes of our elected officials. Correct? If so then we need mass recall elections. I would suggest starting with the President, all members of Congress and the Senate, our spineless State Governors and State legislators.

We need elected officials who will follow the Constitution and their Oath of Office!!!

[concentric circles]

"We need to help Mexico, not hinder it"

We need to start insisting on reciprocal treatment if we are to be expected to yield an inch to illegal migrants. If U.S. citizens end up in Mexico without legal authorization they need to be eligible for assistance; free health care; an easy path to citizenship; automatic citizenship for offspring born there; a minimum wage equivalant to the U.S. wage; and property ownership. If this treatment is assured to those who cross the border into Mexico it will encourage upright people to bring their skills and knowledge and will be a tremendous help to Mexico. How about it Senoras Castillo y Garcia?

[janetgreen]

You're correct - Tijuana has moved to Los Angeles. Our President thinks it's great, and to hell with those who disagree with him.