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Posted on 11/27/2002 5:28:22 AM PST by Boonie Rat
The air industry's worst nightmare
Just days ago, national security executives met secretly with airline CEOs to warn them that al-Qaida may be planning to fire shoulder-launched missiles at commercial jets in the U.S. There's virtually no defense.
By Paul J. Caffera
Nov. 22, 2002 | The war on terror took an unsettling turn last week with the resurfacing of Osama bin Laden and the FBI's announcement that al-Qaida is planning "spectacular attacks ... [with] high symbolic value, mass casualties, severe damage to the U.S. economy, and maximum psychological trauma." The FBI identified the U.S. aviation industry as a prime target for al-Qaida, and although critics have complained the bulletin was vague, Salon has learned that in the days before it was issued, national security executives met secretly with top airline officials to discuss the risk that high-tech portable missiles might be used against commercial jets.
According to sources who attended it, the meeting was convened by the year-old Transportation Security Administration on the afternoon of Election Day, Nov. 5. It included Adm. James Loy, chief of the agency; President Bush's secretary of transportation, Norman Mineta; representatives of the Office of Homeland Security; and a group of 25 airline CEOs. Gathered in a secure conference room in the Department of Transportation Building in Washington, they heard evidence of the growing and intractable threat that shoulder-fired infrared-homing missiles pose to crowded commercial jets taking off and landing at U.S. airports.
Sources within the White House Office of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told Salon the conference was prompted in part by a recent Senior Executive Intelligence Brief prepared by the CIA, which alerted top Bush administration officials and selected military leaders that terrorists have likely smuggled shoulder-launched missiles into the United States in recent months.
The news was ominous for the millions of people who fly on American jets each year: Every commercial flight is susceptible to an attack from terrorists armed with launchers that are small, relatively easy to obtain and surgically accurate. And even after a decade of research at the federal Aviation Research Laboratory in New Jersey, neither the government nor the aviation industry can do much to mitigate the danger.
Gary Stubblefield, who heads the security firm Vantage Systems in Scottsdale, Ariz., describes the shoulder-fired missiles as "aviation's dirty little secret." Todd Curtis, the creator of AirSafe.com and a former Air Force officer and Boeing safety analyst, adds this caution: If a "dedicated person wanted to shoot down a plane, there's nothing to stop them."
The weapons "are a serious threat, [and] not enough is being done to deal with it," retired Adm. Thomas Moorer, who served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for President Reagan, told Salon in an interview. "It's a simple thing to do. Airplanes have a schedule. They are at the same spot every day, [and] it's simple to fire [a shoulder-launched missile] from a boat or big truck."
Intelligence and security officials have long known of the danger posed by these missiles, but alarms began to sound after the recent discovery of al-Qaida training videos instructing terrorists how to fire the portable antiaircraft missiles and the capture of thousands of such missiles in al-Qaida camps in Afghanistan.
The FBI issued a detailed bulletin on May 22, which was delivered to state and local police agencies via the National Law Enforcement Telecommunications System. In it, the FBI warned that al-Qaida might be planning to use shoulder-fired missiles -- formally called MANPADS, for man-portable air defense systems -- against commercial aircraft within the United States.
"A Stinger, an American-made second-generation MANPAD system, was used by anti-Soviet fighters in Afghanistan during the 1979-1988 Soviet occupation of that country," the advisory said. "Al Qaeda operatives and Taliban militia members are believed to possess a number of functioning Stinger missiles ship [sic] to Afghanistan during the 1980s.
"Given al-Qaida's demonstrated objective to target the U.S. airline industry, its access to U.S. and Russian made MANPAD systems, and recent apparent targeting of U.S.-led military forces in Saudi Arabia, law enforcement agencies in the United States should remain alert to potential use of MANPADS against U.S. aircraft."
The FBI's concern is well-founded. Shoulder-fired missiles have already been used to shoot down commercial aircraft outside the U.S., and the respected Jane's Intelligence Review reported last year that they are now in the hands of up to 27 terrorist groups. Reports from the CIA, State Department and other government agencies show that shoulder-fired missiles have already hit at least 42 civil aircraft since the 1970s. Of these, 29 aircraft -- 69 percent of the total -- were shot down. These attacks have killed well over 900 air travelers -- more than all the victims of notorious Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal. Shoulder-fired missile attacks on civil aircraft have been launched from land and from water, upon takeoff and landing, and at altitudes reaching to 11,000 feet. While most of these attacks have occurred outside North America proper, the weapons have been used in Central America. The prospect of a shoulder-launched missile attack was a major concern of the FAA during the 1996 Olympic games in Atlanta.
During the Cold War, both the United States and the Soviet Union freely distributed the portable missiles to allies and client states around the world. Introduced during the Vietnam War, these weapons first gained widespread fame in the war between Afghanistan and the former Soviet Union, where U.S.-supplied Stingers are credited with turning the tide against the Soviets. Of the more than 900 Stingers supplied to the Afghan rebels, many were never fired and remained available for use or trade. Unfortunately, these leftover missiles are not the only source that supplies the black market. In recent years, sophisticated new shoulder-launched missiles have been flowing into the world's arms markets.
In the mid-1990s, the international concern over the proliferation of shoulder-fired missiles led to the Wassenaar Agreement, an arms-control "honor system." Wassenaar does not prevent the sale of these weapons but instead promotes the "transparency" of arms sales to curb improper weapons transfers. Although well-intentioned, Wassenaar has failed to thwart black-market sales. Even when they're sold to legitimate governments for self-defense, there is no guarantee that such missiles will remain secure. In 1998, soldiers in the former Soviet republic of Georgia staged an uprising and seized a cache of the shoulder-launched missiles. Likewise, Chechen rebels obtained their initial supply of shoulder-fired missiles by overrunning Russian arsenals.
Even U.S. stockpiles are not completely safe. After completing an inspection of U.S. military storage depots, the General Accounting Office concluded that inventory control of domestic shoulder-fired missile stockpiles has been so poor that the military could not account for hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of its portable missiles. One Army official quoted by the GAO said that it would be "pure luck" if none of the missiles were lost. Regardless of their source, shoulder-fired missiles are small enough to easily smuggle into any country, including the United States, and they're available on the black market for under $100,000 each. That's well within the reach of deep-pocketed terrorist groups, many of which earn hundreds of millions of dollars a year by dealing drugs and engaging in other illegal activities.
During a classified briefing at the annual Aircraft Survivability conference in Monterey, Calif., in 1999, an FAA official described the threat from shoulder-launched missile systems and the difficulty in getting airlines to address the threat. A subsequent report from the National Defense Industrial Association, which sponsors the conference, described this presentation as "sobering" and noted "a definite need to reduce vulnerability" of commercial aircraft to the missiles.
"The small size and portability of these missiles make them a lethal threat, especially in takeoff and landing corridors," the authors warned. "Since there have been no confirmed incidents in the U.S., it is difficult to convince aircraft manufacturers and airline companies of the potential cost benefits to making the aircraft less susceptible and less vulnerable to MANPADS through implementation of warning systems and [infrared countermeasures]."
What worries federal officials is that shoulder-fired missiles are so easily obtained, so easy to smuggle, so small and accurate -- and that that the government can currently do little to defend commercial jets against them. By comparison, detecting bombs and knives in luggage is child's play.
Shoulder-fired missiles are self-contained weapons systems, typically 5 feet long and weighing less than 35 pounds. These sophisticated "fire and forget" missiles are easily concealed in shipping containers, aboard a small boat, even in the trunk of a car. A lone terrorist armed with a shoulder-fired missile can destroy an aircraft within seconds after launching the attack. If a plane survives the initial attack, the attacker can attach a new missile tube to his "grip stock" launcher and fire again while the target aircraft is still within range.
Traveling at more than 1,500 miles per hour, a typical shoulder-launched missile can destroy an aircraft from up to four miles away. Early models of these weapons systems had a maximum altitude of around 10,000 feet. The latest generation of shoulder-fired missiles can travel 15,000 feet or higher. Under existing FAA flight rules, aircraft approaching U.S. airports are within range of a shoulder-launched missile attack once they get within 40 to 50 miles of the runway. Put in simpler terms, jets are most vulnerable to attack right about the time flight attendants instruct passengers to turn off their electronic devices.
Even for experienced military pilots flying military aircraft, the first hint that an attack is underway often comes only from the explosion of a missile slamming into an engine, air-conditioning unit or other infrared-radiation-producing device on the aircraft. Even navigation lights emit radiation in the wavelength attractive to these missiles. When equipped with a proximity fuse, the missiles can bring down an aircraft without even making a direct hit.
Dozens of countries have produced hundreds of thousands of these missiles, and many of them have found their way to the black market. Despite international agreements to stop the "improper" sale of shoulder-fired missiles and a CIA operation to purchase them on the black market, these weapon systems remain available to those intent on obtaining them. Despite Afghanistan's status as a pariah nation in the years leading up to the U.S. invasion, the Taliban and al-Qaida were able to secure immense quantities of these deadly weapons systems. Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, estimated in October 2001 that enemy forces in Afghanistan possessed between 200 and 300 Stinger missiles, the best-known of the shoulder-fired missiles on the market. On Aug. 6, Pentagon spokesman David Lapan told Salon that U.S. forces in Afghanistan had captured 5,592 shoulder-fired missiles during operations to destroy al-Qaida.
Despite the widespread knowledge of this threat, government officials and airline executives are loath to publicize the danger from infrared-homing missiles. When asked to comment on the efforts by the Transportation Security Administration to protect commercial aircraft from shoulder-fired missile attack, agency spokesman Robert Johnson offered only a terse reply: "We are unable to discuss classified and sensitive information." Despite repeated calls, none of the major airlines contacted by Salon would comment on the threat. Nor would the Air Transport Association, an industry group representing many of the commercial carriers.
The reticence is not surprising. A safe and efficient airline industry is vital to the functioning of the nation's business; the aviation industry employs 1 million people and annually contributes $300 billion to the U.S. economy. Since the attacks of Sept. 11, the airline industry has been reeling. According to the Air Transport Association, the attacks and the economic downturn combined cost the airlines $7 billion last year, even after an infusion of federal cash. And the losses are expected to continue this year. If passengers knew about the danger posed by missiles, they might be less willing to fly, and an actual attack could prove catastrophic to the airline industry.
A terrorist missile strike on a commercial airliner "would have a devastating impact on air travel demand, and an increase in airline insurance and security costs, at a moment in time when they can least afford it," says professor Paul Stephen Dempsey, an air-transportation expert at McGill University in Montreal. Unfortunately for travelers, none of the newly implemented and highly touted security procedures are capable of addressing this threat.
Unlike some of the other threats that emerged with the 9/11 attacks, the government has known about the threat posed by shoulder-fired missiles since at least 1973, when Palestinian terrorists armed with such missiles were arrested in Rome as they waited to shoot down a jet. The first successful use of these weapons to "kill" a commercial aircraft outside a war zone came in 1978, in the skies over Chad. Since then, many government agencies have grown increasingly alarmed by the threat that shoulder-fired missiles pose. While not an everyday occurrence, such attacks are a large enough concern that the FAA's annual Criminal Acts Against Civil Aviation report contains a section that tracks missile attacks.
When asked to describe the likelihood of a shoulder-fired missile attack against commercial aircraft within the continental United States, one official within the intelligence community, who asked not to be named, said that it is an absolute certainty that an attack will occur. The only question is when, he said. "Some of us are surprised that it hasn't already happened."
Because of the increased threat to its commercial-size aircraft due to the proliferation of sophisticated shoulder-fired missiles, the Air Force is starting to replace its standard missile-detection and countermeasures systems with LAIRCMs (large aircraft infrared countermeasures), which use laser jammers to disorient an attacking infrared-homing missile. In contrast to military aircraft, most civilian aircraft lack the countermeasures systems necessary to ward off a missile attack. There are two exceptions: Israel's El-Al Airlines, and some of the private jets owned by corporations and wealthy individuals.
The likelihood that any aircraft will be lost in a missile attack is dependent on a multitude of design factors. Nonetheless, analyses of man-portable missile attacks show that as a group, commercial aircraft (as opposed to small jet fighters that are specifically designed to detect, evade and withstand such missiles) have as much as a 70 percent chance of being lost if hit by a single missile. If an attacker succeeds at striking twice, the likelihood of downing an aircraft approaches 100 percent.
Even though small commercial aircraft are more likely to be lost in a shoulder-fired missile attack, two of the jet aircraft most familiar to American travelers have proven surprisingly vulnerable: Of the five Boeing 727s and 737s that have been hit by shoulder-launched missiles, three have been shot down, and in one of them 130 people died just after takeoff in Angola.
Despite the demonstrated risk that these missiles pose, no meaningful changes have been made to commercial aircraft design or flight operations to reduce it. While the president and other officials travel on aircraft equipped with countermeasures systems that protect them against a missile attack, most Americans do not. "The threats are real and the countermeasures exist," a retired government anti-terrorism expert told Salon, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "Some of us are perplexed as to why a greater sense of urgency hasn't been demonstrated in securing our airspace."
The low priority placed on protecting commercial jets from shoulder-fired missile attack is eerily similar to the debate over the need to strengthen * pit doors before 9/11. For decades government officials and the airlines knew that the * pit doors were vulnerable to being broken down by a determined terrorist or a rowdy drunk. Still, nothing was done to fix the problem until thousands had died. Airlines may be reluctant to respond to the threat, one federal source told Salon, because "it would signify to the insurance companies that the airlines believe that it was a significant threat to their daily operations, allowing them to increase the premiums."
Daniel Benjamin, the former director for counter-terrorism for the Clinton White House's National Security Council, acknowledged in an e-mail interview that the threat might also have implications for the airlines' legal liability in the event of a missile attack. "No shortage of studies have been done," Benjamin said, "and up till now, the industry has been unwilling to consider paying for the defensive measures. In the post-9/11 environment, with Washington dictating more in the way of security improvements, there needs to be another look at the issue. With many airlines facing huge financial problems and some staring at insolvency, the problem of paying for the improvements -- which is considerable -- is not going away."
There are a variety of ways to reduce the likelihood that an aircraft will be hit by an infrared-homing missile and to prevent the loss of an aircraft that suffers a hit. One of the basic techniques is to reduce the ability of the missile "seeker" -- the electronic component that homes in on the targeted aircraft -- to "acquire," or lock on to, the intended target. Most shoulder-fired missile seekers use an infrared guidance system that detects the radiation that aircraft emit in the form of light and heat. Navigation lights, air-conditioning units, and aircraft engines all emit infrared radiation that a seeker can detect and lock on to.
Over the years, the military has developed a number of techniques for deflecting shoulder-fired missiles from its aircraft. One is for low-flying aircraft to disperse red-hot flares. Unfortunately, newer shoulder-fired missiles are able to distinguish an aircraft from a flare. Flares also have the drawback of triggering fires when they land on combustible materials. The military has also experimented with using "obscurants," fine metallic or chemical particles dispersed from an aircraft to prevent the missile seeker from locking on to it, and it is investigating the feasibility having an aircraft tow infrared decoys behind it. The military has also used "thermal management" -- suppressing the amount of emitted infrared radiation and thereby presenting a smaller infrared "signature" -- to reduce the likelihood that the infrared seeker will lock on to its intended victim. This in turn reduces the effective operating range of the missile.
Unfortunately, these techniques are not of practical use for commercial aircraft. One could imagine the outcry from people whose businesses or homes lie in airport approach and departure corridors if each of the thousands of daily commercial flights dropped dozens of flares upon takeoff and landing, or spewed fine metallic or chemical particles into the air along those same routes. Thermal management is also of minimal use in protecting commercial aircraft. In contrast to military aircraft, designed from the beginning to present small infrared signatures, commercial aircraft have huge signatures. Additionally, modern shoulder-fired missiles are programmed with sophisticated guidance systems that nullify aircraft designers' attempts to guide infrared-homing missiles to less deadly impact points.
Aircraft are highly sophisticated machines in which the loss of certain critical components eliminates a pilot's ability to control the aircraft. Aviation engineers have designed modern aircraft with redundant critical components to protect planes from crashing due to the failure of one of those components, from a missile warhead detonation or simple mechanical failure. According to Air Force publications on aircraft "survivability," one protective strategy that aircraft manufacturers can implement is to disperse these redundant critical components around the aircraft, while simultaneously keeping them away from likely missile-hit locations. Having a backup component does little good if both the primary component and its backup get destroyed in a missile attack.
Other engineering modifications can improve the survivability of an aircraft struck by a missile. Among the design modifications that airlines could make:
Keeping flight control hydraulics away from locations likely to be hit.
Separating fuel systems from locations likely to be hit.
Using self-sealing fuel-feed lines.
Incorporating fluid-shutoff mechanisms in the rear portions of engines.
Hardening or shielding critical components around infrared sources.
For larger aircraft, moving engines to the rear of aircraft and away from the wing fuel tanks.
Because of the threat posed to its large aircraft, the ones most similar to commercial jets, the Air Force is embarking on an ambitious plan to install LAIRCM on its transport aircraft. Standard countermeasures systems combine a missile-launch detector, a warning system, and flashlamps to confuse an attacking missile. But the state-of-the-art LAIRCM replaces the flashlamps with one or more lasers, which emit energy pulses to disorient an attacking infrared missile. The new system is also smaller and uses less energy. For a cost of just over $3 million for each of the first 20 aircraft to receive the system, the Air Force is obtaining the best available protection.
With the proper design or retrofitting of aircraft, not every missile attack must end in a catastrophic loss of the airliner and all those aboard. Unfortunately, each airline and each manufacturer has an economic disincentive to expend the money necessary to improve their aircraft's survivability. Given the economics of the industry, unless the federal government forces manufacturers to build more survivable aircraft and mandates that airlines modify their existing aircraft, every flight within the United States is at risk.
The question is, will corrective action be taken before flights are shot down or will it happen only after American air travelers die in a missile attack?
Even if airlines were to install the state-of-the-art countermeasures system on each aircraft, the expense, about $3 million per aircraft, would not be excessive given the cost of new commercial jets. It would add 1.5 percent to the cost of a $200 million Boeing 747-400, or 5 percent to the cost of a $60 million Boeing 737. On the negative side for airlines, the cost of properly maintaining this system is high, which would put a strain on the cash-strapped airlines. Additionally, it is unlikely that the military would support such wide distribution of this sensitive technology.
An alternative to installing countermeasures systems on every aircraft is to protect the airspace above airports and in airport approach and departure routes. The Air Force has recently developed a plan to do just that.
Known as escort-directed infrared countermeasures, or E-DIRCM, this proposal would use "buddy" aircraft equipped with the latest countermeasures technology to rendezvous with airliners as they approach airports and then escort them to the ground; similarly, departing aircraft would be escorted until they reached an altitude out of range of portable missiles. Should a terrorist unleash a missile attack, the escort aircraft would detect the launch and use its laser jammers to disable the attacking missile or missiles.
This approach would remove the responsibility for installing and maintaining infrared missile countermeasures equipment from the airlines. On the negative side, E-DIRCM would require an enormous number of government-operated buddy aircraft, would greatly increase airport noise and congestion, would strain an already burdened air-traffic control system, and would significantly increase the likelihood of midair collisions in the areas surrounding airports.
When al-Qaida exploited weak airport security and seized control of four aircraft, the government was able to step in and make immediate, if not convenient, changes to reduce the likelihood of terrorists smuggling weapons onto aircraft. The portable-missile problem will not be so easily solved.
The alarming new CIA report that provoked the high-level conference between White House officials and airline CEOs offered no specific evidence to back the claim that portable missiles had been smuggled by terrorists into the United States. But certainly the nation's borders are porous, and some smugglers have already tried to bring the missile-launchers in. Security experts believe it is just a matter of time -- and the time may already have come.
Two recent cases occurred near Miami. In 1997, two smugglers from the former Soviet Union arranged to ship Bulgarian-manufactured shoulder-launched missiles into the U.S. in a complex plan that involved using falsified Ministry of Defense documents from a former Soviet republic and a Cypriot-owned merchant vessel that was registered in yet another country. When federal agents arrested the arms dealers in Florida, the missiles were on the docks in Bulgaria. The two arms smugglers have already served their sentences and have been released from prison.
In June 2001, federal officials arrested two men in a sting operation in West Palm Beach, Fla. The two were attempting to purchase a variety of sophisticated weaponry, including American-made Stinger missiles. These men are scheduled for release next September.
Although law enforcement officials have prevented the importation of these portable missiles into the U.S., there is no way of guaranteeing that they can detect every missile. "Hundreds of thousands of people cross the U.S. border illegally every year," a recent RAND study noted, "and individual drug shipments into the country are often as large as tens of tons. There is no reason to believe that a sufficiently motivated adversary could not duplicate the accomplishments of immigrants and drug smugglers. Indeed, a nation or terrorist group might hire smugglers for their expertise."
U.S. Customs Service spokesman Kevin Bell echoes those concerns. "More [drugs] get in than we can guess, and I would think that would be the same situation [with shoulder-fired missiles]," he said. More than 200,000 merchant and passenger ships enter U.S. ports each year and over 45,000 shipping containers and trucks enter the United States daily, but the Customs Service physically opens and inspects only 2 or 3 percent of the shipping containers entering the U.S. each year, according to Bell.
In August, federal agents arrested a Canadian man in New Mexico who smuggled into the U.S. 49 wooden crates filled with high-explosive NATO weapons meant to destroy light-armored vehicles and military bunkers. Each of those crates was large enough to transport a shoulder-fired missile system. In November, authorities arrested three people plotting to send American-made Stinger missiles to al-Qaida.
Up until now, we have been lucky. But at some point, our luck is likely to run out and terrorists will use shoulder-fired missiles against American commercial aircraft. When that happens, the shock will ripple from the downed plane and the families of the victims to the airline industry and to all of the people and industries dependent on it. Clearly, the threat is not abating.
We've learned that the 'soldiers' who commit these acts are of limited intel value.
And we know that the enemy within our ranks will do everything they can to obstruct any delivery of justice should the terrorist remain in official custody.
Better that media reports, and -ideally- videotape, of their unspeakably hideous deaths at the hands of a mob be broadcast to the American people.
Oh it is, and it's yet another tiny reason not to fly. I won't fly because I don't feel like being treated like a KGB political prisoner.
What should be our response to such attacks?
Kill them all. Kill every last one of those Islamic terrorist bastards like the cockroaches they are. And completely bar any Muslim from coming into this country ever again.
Even that won't be enough. We have to drain the swamp, and that means either we begin a crash nuclear power program or we seize their oil fields. I don't have any problem with either or both.
Nah--that is only a "post terror" palliative. How about a preventive measure? Target two each 1 megaton nuclear missiles on Mecca and Medina, and announce that ANY FURTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS on the US will result in the conversion of those two targets into very large, glass-lined, holes in the desert.
You don't necessarily need the latest and greatest Stinger missiles -- there are plenty of old Russian SA-7s floating around. And it wouldn't matter if every attack succeeded in downing its target, as panic would result from any missile attack, not to mention a coordinated attack at multiple airports. The only real trick for the bad guys is smuggling the missiles in, and keeping Aschcroft from detaining their key people -- so pray for the FBI to succeed in these roles. The attack itself is just too easy to do, and impossible to prevent. This truly is the airlines' worst nightmare...
TWA 800. Check out the more than a hundred witness reports of a streak of light ascending into the sky before the plane blew up. And check out the strange behavior of the government during the ensuing "investigation." Such as the fact that the CIA, which is theoretically the foreign intelligence service, made a film about why all those witnesses were wrong, about a domestic carrier plane carrier that crashed in domestic waters, and broadcast it during prime-time newscasts. Or how it came to be that the head of the NTSB managed to "accidentally" fall overboard from an FBI-controlled ship, and soon thereafter went along with the FBI takeover of the "investigation." And about a hundred other similar things.
I realize that this would simply be a 'feel good' moment.
"...How about a preventive measure? Target two each 1 megaton nuclear missiles on Mecca and Medina, and announce that ANY FURTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS on the US will result in the conversion of those two targets into very large, glass-lined, holes in the desert..."
(Although it would probably be best to flip a coin and summarily destroy one of these targets in order to assist the sand goblins in their efforts to focus on improving their ability to work and play well with others.)
Here in Orlando, there's plenty of places for somebody with a man-portable SAM to fire on commercial aircraft taking off or landing at OIA. Several tall hotel buildings, two toll roads north and south, lots of wooded area within the perimeter (and no patrols inside the perimeter), etc. You'd figure there would be aggressive patrolling by the police within a few miles of the airport to deter this, but there's not. Of course, these terrorists can't even get their s**t together enough to do logistically simple stuff like bombs or shootings.
Of course, that looks to me like one of their weaknesses. They go for the big scores instead of lots of little ones that would rattle us just as badly. Remember the Beltway snipers? Two guys had a fairly large area living in fear, and they didn't even go through a full box of 5.56mm ammo, which you can buy just about anywhere. How simple would it be for a couple of guys to waltz into a shopping mall during Christmas shopping season and start shooting everything that moves until they're out of ammo or killed? Or (since I'm in the Land of The Mouse), doing the same thing at Disney? Or, like posted here, to pop off some SAMs or RPGs or shell the runways with mortars?
I'm glad that people are thinking about these possible avenues of attack, but so far it doesn't seem to be their MO.
Hard to tell who would benefit from verbal diarrhea based on a false premise.
Of course there's a defense.
We're not talking shooting down airliners cruising at 35,000 feet here.
Shoulder fired SAMs? LOL... LOL...
That's all I'm going to say, but this article can stress out only the most ignorant among us.
You have to remember, these imitation-human-beings are irrational; they don't think like humans do.
They would retaliate against the Vatican or the nearest orphanage.
I say target one square block in downtown of every Muslim capital...
Level them after the first trrorist act.
Level every "legislature" in every capital after the second terrorist act.
Level all the "presidential palaces" after the third.
If this is done systematically and without any discussion or hand-wringing... guaranteed positive results.
Animals only respond to instinct.
It happened. Just not in Atlanta.
I'm with you on that. I am very tired of all the searching that you have to go through at airports these days. It has certainly discouraged me from flying.
If the airline industry wants to return to profitability they are going to have to abandon their "search and destroy our once valuable customer base" approach to security. That is going to be very hard now that you have the vested interest of a large and growing work force of "searchers".
Sell your American Airlines stock and put a small down payment on a motor home.
However, the whole program needs to be implemented simultaneously. Mecca, Medina, and every city with a population over 50K in the mohammedan world needs to be vaporized simultaneously after the first terrorist attack of this nature. This course of action needs to be highly publicized so that every mohammedan knows that they can attack us but that their entire world, their families, their friends, their homes, will be vaporized.
As an additional measure we need to start breeding pigs that are radiation hardened. Turn the entire mid east (with the exception of Israel) into pig farms.
God Save America (Please)
The war will only end when mohammedanism is eradicated. Culturocide in this case is a good thing.
God Save America (Please)
Other than intercontinental, I don't fly anymore, and I'm a big aviation nut. But I like freedom from stupidity, so I bought a 35-foot motorhome and we take it wherever we're going. I can have a smoke, there's a full kitchen available even on the road, we can take our dogs, and it costs lots less than a plane ticket for two. We also NEVER have to go thru security.
I wholeheartedly recommend it - and it doesn't cost as much as you might think. Our 2001 model (two model years old) cost about the same as a new Jeep Grand Cherokee - and the interest on its "mortgage" is tax-deductible as a second home.
As for the SAM scenario - I pointed out a couple of days ago on another thread about this that all a terrorist needs is a building with a door facing in the direction of the runways. A garage would do. Just something to prevent any nearby eyewitnesses that might impede an escape. The only reason this hasn't already happened...uh, I'd better not SAY why it hasn't.
It happened. Just not in Atlanta
There were no survivors aboard the crash resulting from the attack described in the first link. The crash reported at the second link resulted in 18 survivors, of whom 10 were then murdered on the ground by the terrorists who launched the missile at the aircraft. Additional details *here*.
A few additional steps: we need to revoke the visas of all Islamic non-citizens and DEPORT them pronto.
We need to do background checks on "naturalized" citizens who come from Islamic countries.
We need to put troops on the border (National Guard) to prevent entry of more illegal aliens--including terrorists.
We need to round up and deport all illegal aliens--regardless of nationality--yesterday.
[Posted on 11/15/2002 8:27 PM PST by mr. mojo risin]
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- An indictment unsealed Wednesday accuses a St. Paul man and two Pakistanis of plotting to sell drugs to FBI undercover agents to obtain anti-aircraft missiles for Osama bin Laden's terror network.
Ilyas Ali, 55, of St. Paul, an India-born U.S. citizen who is a longtime resident of the Twin Cities, and his two alleged accomplices were arrested in Hong Kong by local police on Sept. 20.
They are awaiting extradition to the United States.
The three men are accused of conspiring to sell 600 kilograms of heroin and 5 metric tons of hashish to undercover agents in exchange for four Stinger shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles.
They told the undercover agents that they intended to sell the missiles to members of the Taliban, the former ruling party in Afghanistan that "the defendants indicated was the same as Al-Qaida," the indictment says.
It says the deal was cut in a Hong Kong hotel room on Sept. 16, with all three men present. Hidden FBI recording devices taped the meeting, authorities said.
The indictment was handed up on Oct. 30 in San Diego, where earlier talks between Ali and undercover officers allegedly occurred. But the indictment was kept sealed until Wednesday for unexplained reasons...
Excerpted - Full Article ^
Is this an indicator of what is coming? Is this one type of "Spectacular attack" mentioned by the FBI last week?
Careful, don't drown in the Government Dis-information cesspool:
Terrorists are evading our Intel agencies. Just like shoplifters, only about 10% will get caught...(unlike Winona Ryder).
Terrorists don't have to just use US stingers. They could get Soviet SA-14 GREMLIN man-portable, shoulder-fired, low-altitude SAM system.
Remember two major US airlines may soon declare bankruptcy due to 9/11. All airlines may have to be nationalized to survive.
If domestic Islamic terrorists have any of these missiles, the enemy knows they can shut down the US airline industry in a day. The US economy would collapse.
No defense possible.
End of game.
They would not be able to stop them, just as the Soviet military could not stop them. A shoulder launched Stinger: the older, lower technology Stinger-POST shoulder-launched missiles had an approx. 70-80% kill rate in Afghanistan against the Russians Military Aitcraft.
One analysis of the effectiveness of the Stinger missile in Afghanistan concluded that of 340 Soviet aircraft fired at, 269 (almost 80%) were destroyed,(Air Force Magazine, August 1990).
I worked on Stinger-POST in the 80's. It works. We used to watch the films of various drones getting destroyed, every time. The newer missiles work much better. And airliners don't have IFF.
If the muslims get any type of SAM, be very afraid.
The enemy is in our cities, are they waiting commands or events to trigger such escalating attacks? How much of this will Americans put up with?
I want one!
What's that? Assuming that it's something that defeats Stinger-type missiles, can commercial aircraft be fitted with it?
I'd prefer to see a mob with the self-discipline to extract it's horrific revenge over a longer, more agonizing time period. Perhaps a week or so.
They can pretty much just walk in over our Southern border.
Straight out of Larry Bond's "The Enemy Within" where the terrorists did just that to an aircraft on final to Washington DC...
Though I read it YEARS ago, it is too frightentingly parallel to today's actual and potential threats. Great read, cover to cover...
Hope ya have a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving Archy. Stay Safe , Stay Armed and Stay Ready !!
I missed this when it came out about a week ago, but it's of special interest in light of the missile attack on the Israeli plane in Kenya.
By the way, here's a link to the original article, in Salon.com.
Can anyone confirm?
I don't know, but I did read that El Al is the only commercial air carrier whose planes are outfitted with anti-missile defense systems (basically, flares that generate heat away from the plane, and therefore attract heat-seeking missiles away from their intended target). I don't know whether this particular Israeli plane had such a defense system installed; it was a charter plane, not an El Al regularly-scheduled commercial flight.