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Man Convicted of Attempted Rape of Child Who Never Existed
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Posted on 11/28/2002 11:18:47 PM PST by TheOtherOne

Man Convicted of Attempted Rape of Child Who Never Existed

Published: Nov 28, 2002

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HUTCHINSON, Kan. (AP) - A man was convicted of attempted rape for planning to assault a nonexistent 10-year-old girl who was imagined in an effort to break up a child pornography ring.

Prosecutors said Steven Peterman, 44, believed the child was real and that he intended to commit the crime.

Peterman was convicted Wednesday of attempted rape, solicitation to commit rape and sexual exploitation of a child. He faces 11 years in prison at his sentencing Dec. 27.

Authorities said a woman Peterman met in a bar made up the girl to help break up a child pornography ring.

Although prosecutor Keith Schroeder admitted to performing "a little bit of legal gymastics" in filing the attempted rape charge, he said Peterman wasn't prosecuted for simply thinking about raping a child.

He was arrested with several photos characterized by police as child pornography, along with a variety of sex toys.

"When he went to the residence where he believed the child was waiting, he had purchased several items that he intended to use in committing a crime," Schroeder said.

Tim Frieden, Peterman's defense lawyer, had an unlisted number and could not be reached for comment Thursday.

AP-ES-11-28-02 2157EST



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To: pariah
Yes, I was wondering about that too (and that's something my analogy left out). It's my understanding that the government can't actually ask you to commit a crime.

But did the ficticious 10-year-old girl ever ask the man to have sex with her? If not, they would have to prove he came with the intent of raping her, if so, that would be entrapment (right?)...

They should have just chopped his genitals off and left him to bleed to death, instead of getting into all these legal complexities.

21 posted on 11/29/2002 2:30:11 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: TheOtherOne
I thought all law was based on outrageous examples?
22 posted on 11/29/2002 2:31:36 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
It's my understanding that the government can't actually ask you to commit a crime.

I am not so sure about that. 'Johns' are entrapped all the time by vice squad 'prostitutes' -- but in those cases, the 'John' is already actively cruising, looking for prostitutes. Was this guy cruising the internet with the intention to commit statutory rape? Impossible to say, and difficult to muster much sympathy for him. It's the gov't methods that concern me.

Anyone remember De Lorean, the auto magnate who was charged with cocaine distribution? He was acquitted by claiming entrapment, saying the Feds had created a crime where none would have otherwise existed. Of course, he had millions for high-powered lawyers.
Then there was, what did they call it -- 'Sheikgate'? The case back in the '70's where FBI agents, posing as arab sheiks, talked various Congressmen into accepting graft money in return for sponsoring favorable legislation. As I recall, they did NOT get acquitted. So it seems the law is ambiguous on the point of entrapment. But in all three of these cases, the accused did not go seeking a crime to commit -- they were contacted by gov't agents who induced a criminal intent on their part. At the very least, I think there are better ways of catching criminals and enforcing the law. Or, simply get clear, tough laws passed against the objectionable behavior, then go after the criminals. That's the American way.

23 posted on 11/29/2002 3:29:44 AM PST by pariah
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To: xm177e2
If I told you I had a rare painting in my house worth 10 million dollars, and the police caught you outside my house as you went in to rob it, wouldn't that still be a crime, whether or not the painting existed?

No. Not unless you believe in "thought crimes". The guy was in possession of child porn and some other stuff,so prosecute him for that,not what agents of the government SAY he was thinking.

24 posted on 11/29/2002 3:45:22 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Billy_bob_bob
My, we do have some interesting freepers, don't we?

HEY! Let's not get too personal,here. I'm sure she has a nice personality.

25 posted on 11/29/2002 3:47:10 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: skr
BTW, not having even met an inflatable doll,

No matter what everybody else on this thread is saying in their FR mails,*I* believe you. Honest.

26 posted on 11/29/2002 3:50:55 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: xm177e2
But did the ficticious 10-year-old girl ever ask the man to have sex with her? If not, they would have to prove he came with the intent of raping her,

It wouldn't matter if a 10 year old girl begged or even offered to pay him money to have sex with her,it is STILL rape. A 10 year old isn't competent to give permission.

27 posted on 11/29/2002 3:53:55 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: TheOtherOne
solicitation to commit rape

Errrr....what?

28 posted on 11/29/2002 4:41:20 AM PST by DAnconia55
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To: xm177e2
The key here, folks, is he was charged with ATTEMPTED rape.

The legal theory behind "attempted" crimes can best be shown by the classic example used in law textbooks -- trying to kill someone who's already dead. For example:

You want to kill your neighbor, John, so you invite him to your house to watch the Super Bowl. As he sits in a comfy chair in your living room, you excuse yourself (ostensibly to get some chips and beer from the kitchen), but return with your Glock 9mm and sneak up behind him. Unbeknownst to you, John suffered a massive coronary as soon as you left the room and is now propped up, dead, in the chair. You don't know this, and want and intend to kill John, so you fire three shots into the back of his head.

If all the facts are known, then you can't be charged with murder -- because you didn't kill John.

Should society give you a free pass just because you got lucky and it was impossible for you to kill John, even though you tried? Should you walk away with a slap on the wrist for descrating a corpse?

What happens if someone (hmm . . . let's call him "Willy C.") tricks a young nursing home owner into entering his Arkansas hotel room. Willy C. then rips her clothes off, bites her lower lip, and tries to rape her, but, alas, Willy C. is impotent and is not . . . um . . . "up to the job."

Do you think he should be charged with attempted rape? Or some misdemeanor (or perhaps criminal assault)?

Argument of entrapment aside, the guy here THOUGHT and PLANNED to have sex with a minor, and took affirmative steps to do that. He attempted to rape her, and impossibility is not a defense.

29 posted on 11/29/2002 5:22:19 AM PST by Scoutmaster
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To: TheOtherOne
Sorry. Make that "desecrating" a corpse.
30 posted on 11/29/2002 5:23:39 AM PST by Scoutmaster
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To: Scoutmaster
Call Perry Mason !
31 posted on 11/29/2002 5:50:57 AM PST by sushiman
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To: sneakypete
That's not what I meant. I meant the man could claim he wanted to meet her, but never intended to have sex.

I hope nobody else misinterpreted it that way.

32 posted on 11/29/2002 5:56:09 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: skr
There already are several lawsuits against police and other for not having prevented a crime. In one case in Georgia, the widow of a Sheriff is not suing his killers but instead the county, something about not having prevented it. She even admitted on Cathrine Crier that why go after the killers since they don't have lots of money.

In New York, Cochran is or was involved in a case of a drunk driving accident involving an off-duty cop. the lawyers are suing the police, FOP, and the driver's friends for not having prevented the accident. In NJ a man was tried for not having prevented a drunk driving accident. Reportedly the victim's family was considering suing.

33 posted on 11/29/2002 6:01:59 AM PST by Dante3
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dumb shows like CSI and CSI Miami are going to do a lot to give out bad info about the law.

Here's my timesiver for folks. On "Law and Order," the white, middleclass/rich guy did it.

34 posted on 11/29/2002 6:32:00 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: TheOtherOne
In other words, if he stays on the street - he will rape a 12 yr old.

I can live with it.
35 posted on 11/29/2002 6:33:51 AM PST by The Raven
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To: TheOtherOne
I think this guy should be charged with conspiracy to commit rape- he planned to have sex with a 10 year old girl. Attempted rape is stupid. Conspiring to commit such a rape should be illegal.
36 posted on 11/29/2002 6:37:10 AM PST by Mr. K
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To: TheOtherOne
What am I doing outside your house that the police caught me doing?

Conspiring.

37 posted on 11/29/2002 6:41:10 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: xm177e2
That's not what I meant. I meant the man could claim he wanted to meet her, but never intended to have sex.

The presence of "sex toys" may debunk his contention.

38 posted on 11/29/2002 6:43:21 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: woofie
"Many criminals make foolish mistakes ....If you rob a bank and dont get the money is it a robbery? yes"

If I walk into the local bank with the idea that I could use some extra money for the holidays and my .45 hugging my hip, then I decide not to rob the bank, am I guilty of anything?

39 posted on 11/29/2002 6:53:32 AM PST by Badray
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To: xm177e2
That's not what I meant.

I didn't think it was,but some things are important enough they always need to be highlighted.

40 posted on 11/29/2002 7:54:19 AM PST by sneakypete
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