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Kids, guns, and Dr. Phil
TownHall.com | 11/29/02 | Larry Elder

Posted on 11/29/2002 1:25:33 AM PST by kattracks

Move over Mr. Anti-Second Amendment Michael Moore, and make way for Dr. Phil. Dr. Phil recently aired a program in which he staged an experiment to demonstrate the danger of guns in the home. Amid a group of playing little girls and boys, a teacher placed two fake guns inside a dollhouse. The teacher warned the kids not to play with the guns, and then left the room. The mindful girls left the guns alone even after the teacher left the room.

The experimenters took the girls out of the room. The boys promptly began playing with the guns. Dr. Phil came in, warned the boys again, and after eliciting a promise not to play with the guns, which he put on a table, he left the room. Again, the boys promptly began playing with the guns. Moral to the story? Guns in the home and children -- especially boys -- simply don't mix. Never mind that responsible parents rarely leave guns, let alone loaded ones, inside a girl's dollhouse or on a table near the children.

Dr. Phil said, "America kills more kids with guns than any other industrialized nation," later adding, "There are five children a day killed with guns through either accidents or suicides. Five children a day in America are killed with guns." The five children per day figure adds up to over 1,800 per year.

Hold tape.

Dr. Phil never defined what he meant by "children." Independence Institute researcher Dave Kopel notes that many of the reported gun deaths involving "children" include those aged 14 through 19, many of them gangbangers. If, by children, Dr. Phil meant 10 and under, approximately 50 children -- or less than one child per state per year under 10 -- die from handgun violence.

Dr. Phil specifically said gun "accidents and suicides." Yet the Center for Disease Control, which tracks all causes of death, reports only 86 accidental deaths in kids aged 14-years-and-under in the year 2000, and 110 suicides, for a total of 198. Not exactly 1,800. (Even if Dr. Phil intended to include homicide and undetermined intent, the total of kids aged 14-and-under killed by firearms in 2000, according to the CDC, was 435.)

By contrast, the CDC reported 943 accidental drownings of kids aged 14-and-under, 593 deaths from accidental exposures to smoke and fire, and 2,591 killed in motor vehicle accidents. Surely one child dying through handgun violence -- or any kind of violence -- is one child too many, but we should not lose perspective.

Dr. Phil went further. In front of the largely female -- and often instinctively anti-gun group -- audience, Dr. Phil added this headline, "More children die from gunfire than cancer, pneumonia, flu, asthma and HIV/AIDS combined. Do you know what your child would do if he found a gun and you weren't there?"

Hold tape.

According to the CDC, the annual deaths from cancer in 2000, for children aged 14-years-and-under, was 1,939. Add in the number of 14-and-under who die every year from pneumonia and flu, at 479, plus 169 kids killed by asthma, plus 70 from HIV, and we have a grand total of 2,657, a number higher than Dr. Phil's figure of 1,800 children allegedly killed each year through handgun accidents and suicide.

As usual with programs stacked against guns, Dr. Phil failed to even address the number of children saved by handguns per year. In other words, how many kids remain with us because Mommy or Daddy -- or in some cases a child -- used a gun to defend the household. According to the Department of Justice, Americans use guns for defensive purposes 1.5 million times a year. And, according to the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention -- a division of the Justice Department -- the government found that children taught appropriate use of guns by their parents turn out to be far less likely to use those guns for criminal purposes than those without such instruction.

Recently, in South Bend, Ind., a thug broke into a home occupied by an 80-year-old grandmother and her 10-year-old grandchild. The intruder held a jagged box cutter to the grandmother's neck, at which time the 10-year-old bolted upstairs where he retrieved his father's gun, the responsible use of which his dad taught him. The 10-year-old returned, pointed the gun at the intruder, and shot and killed him. "The young man reasonably believed his grandmother and himself to be in danger of dying," the South Bend police said. "It was clear to us this was a justifiable homicide. He did what he had to do."

Some suggestions: Don't go to your gun store for psychological counseling; and don't go to a mental health therapist for advice on guns.

©2002 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

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1 posted on 11/29/2002 1:25:34 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Have no fear of Dr. Phil. Only air heads, dimwits and those who are addicted to television watch him. I have never even seen his lousy show, and have no intention of doing so.
2 posted on 11/29/2002 1:43:01 AM PST by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan
Oprah spin-off...
Who the hell would want to keep their guns in a lil girls doll house anyway?
3 posted on 11/29/2002 2:02:43 AM PST by chemicalman
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To: kattracks
Ahh – the old guns and boys experiment...

If you forbid something, it becomes that much more attractive to a child. Kids are curious; they want to know why they are not allowed to look at or touch guns. But the obvious aside...
This could have been a perfect opportunity to let the kids in on the “secret” that guns do kill people on purpose as well as by accident. Maybe Dr. Phil could have told the parents that it is their job to demystify guns; they should teach their kids that guns are just tools that mankind has used for good as well as ill, and when handled sensitively and intelligently, can give your child the reasoning and the strength behind the ability to stay gun-safe and gun-smart.
4 posted on 11/29/2002 2:09:35 AM PST by Eric Esot
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To: Terriergal
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5 posted on 11/29/2002 3:11:53 AM PST by Gun142
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To: Eric Esot
Like to see the same experiment where the kids are told NOT to play with the dolls. Would the boys comply and the girls disobey and play with the forbidden toys?
6 posted on 11/29/2002 3:15:43 AM PST by Deepest South
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To: kattracks
Don't miss this thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/797341/posts As I said there, this needs to be kept bumped to the top. I imagine that this charlatain has 'some' professional standards and that he should be treated just as was Bellesiles (liar of Arming of America).

The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

7 posted on 11/29/2002 3:22:33 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: kattracks
But they were toy guns! Smart children do not play with real guns because they know what guns do: bang! kla!
8 posted on 11/29/2002 3:33:30 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: kattracks
By the way the "Bowling for Colombine" privilege me Michael Moore trash, these were not criminals but children, is being featured in Europe.
9 posted on 11/29/2002 3:35:02 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: kattracks
The experimenters took the girls out of the room. The boys promptly began playing with the guns*******

Since the girls did not play with the guns and were mindful, I guess the solution is to pull a sex change on all little boys. Presto -- no more kid deaths by missues of firearms.

10 posted on 11/29/2002 4:14:47 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan
Since the girls did not play with the guns and were mindful, I guess the solution is to pull a sex change on all little boys. Presto -- no more kid deaths by missues of firearms.

In fact, that's functionally what many folks are trying to engineer - kill the masculine characteristics in boys (and men.) Just think, then we won't need guns at all. The REAL problem is men. That's their position.

11 posted on 11/29/2002 4:22:43 AM PST by toddst
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To: kattracks
Dr. Phil is a whore, pandering...
Evidently Oprah would'nt touch the gun issue.
She's just USING Phil....WHAHAHAHAHAH.....
Live by the pander get cancelled by the pander..
12 posted on 11/29/2002 4:39:05 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: *bang_list
Pop-psychology for the sheeple Bang.
13 posted on 11/29/2002 4:44:57 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Eric Esot
Are you honestly suggesting talking to children like they are reasonable beings that understand right from wrong?

You actually think we should educate people about how to handle dangerous things?

Do you mean to say that people are supposed to take responsibility for their actions?

What are you crazy? Next thing you'll be saying that criminals arent just victims of their own environment, people on welfare should work if they are capable, and maybe it is a good thing that the vote in Florida in 2000 worked out the way it did.
14 posted on 11/29/2002 4:46:34 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
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To: ex-Texan
Have no fear of Dr. Phil. Only air heads, dimwits and those who are addicted to television watch him

Never underestimate the power of ignorant people in large groups.

Dr. Phil need be feared becaused Dr. Phil's message need be feared.

15 posted on 11/29/2002 5:16:35 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
The Dr Phils in this world never bother with the facts - especially if contrary to their agenda!
16 posted on 11/29/2002 5:29:36 AM PST by RAY
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To: kattracks
Another thing this and the other touch-feely idiots overlook (purposely?) is that the kids in EVERY one of these "experiments" (it's a set piece looking for known results, EXAMPLE:"Don't think about elephants"="Don't touch the gun") is a city kid that most likely lives in a house without guns,and has never even seen a real one before. Change this over to kids in a pre-school near Billings,Montana where the kids grow up with guns in the house and all around them, and the results would be radically different.

Not that Dr.Phil will ever do that,though. Like I said, this little "experiment" was designed to have only one outcome.

17 posted on 11/29/2002 7:24:59 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: kattracks
Saw a clip on TV the other night that documented that "all" of the teenage shooters in the high profile school shootings were on psychotropic drugs (prosac, luvox) for various reasons (depression, anxiety). Today's shrinks and their brethren are poorly trained, since they seem to think, for the most part, pills are the answer. Dr. Phil and his type are a menace to society.
18 posted on 11/29/2002 8:29:17 AM PST by ampat
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To: ampat
Saw a clip on TV the other night that documented that "all" of the teenage shooters in the high profile school shootings were on psychotropic drugs (prosac, luvox) for various reasons (depression, anxiety). Today's shrinks and their brethren are poorly trained, since they seem to think, for the most part, pills are the answer. Dr. Phil and his type are a menace to society.

Yea I saw this – the revelation that 7 out of 12 teenagers that have committed school violence where on psychotropic drugs. But of course Dr. Phil would say – drugs don’t kill people, people kill people.
19 posted on 11/29/2002 12:55:20 PM PST by Eric Esot
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To: kattracks
Take a child to the shooting range and show him what a 7.62 N.A.T.O. rifle can do and they will never play with a gun.

When I was very young, I was terrified of my father's .45 handgun and deer hunting rifles. I never wanted to play with them because I saw how much power they had.

Doctor Phil has now been added to my boycott list.

20 posted on 11/29/2002 4:40:26 PM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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