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Illegal immigrants Leaving Mounds of Trash on Tohono O'Odham Indian Sacred Lands
tucson tv ^ | 11/27/02 | Paul Cicala

Posted on 11/29/2002 5:36:44 AM PST by dennisw

11/27/02
Immigrants Leaving Mounds of Trash on Tohono O'Odham Indian Sacred Lands

By Paul Cicala

The Tohono O'Odham Nation faces an environmental crisis. Every day, nearly 1,500 undocumented immigrants pass through the U.S.'s second largest indian reservation, leaving thousands of pounds of trash on tribal lands.

News 13 recently got a first-hand look at some of the areas on the reservation that appear more like a trash dump than sacred lands.

Piles of trash grow to mounds of trash on the Tohono O'Odham lands. In the process of searching for the American dream, some immigrants are trashing Arizona.

Henry A. Ramon, Vice Chairman for the Tohono O'Odham Nation, says, "Mother Earth is something very sacred, and here we see trash all over it."

Some sacred areas on the Tohono O'Odham Indian reservation larger than the size of a football field are littered with thousands of pounds of trash left behind by illegal border crossers.

Gerry Carrasco, a U.S. Border Patrol Agent in the Tucson Sector says, "This trash that they leave. This stuff isn't gonna go away any time soon. Who cleans it up?"

Ramon says, "It's the responsibility of the federal government."

Ramon says his people shouldn't be left with the burden of dealing with the mounds of trash. The Tohono O'Odham Nation shares a 71-mile-border with Mexico. Ramon says it's a federal border so it's also a problem of the federal government.

"With the amount of immigrants crossing our land every day, we just can't handle it. We just don't have the manpower," says Ramon.

The Tohono O'Odham Nation is the second largest reservation in the country, with a population of 22,000. Nearly 2,000 tribal members live south of the border.

Border crossers enter the reservation from Mexico on foot, and form makeshift camps near major pickup points for coyotes, or undocumented immigrant smugglers.

Carrasco adds, "They get to here (a spot about 30 miles north of the Sonora/Arizona border), and basically from here is where they're gonna load up. So, they don't need the extra clothes and water jugs. They leave trash here, because there's no where to put it as they get loaded up."

Ramon says, "It's a sore eye to go down the road and see all this trash."

Tohono O'Odham officials estimate each undocumented immigrant leaves behind more than 8 pounds of litter. With nearly 1,500 crossing tribal lands every day, that amounts to 13,000 thousand pounds a day, and almost 5 million pounds a year.

Tribal leaders are asking the federal, state and county governments to get involved. However, Ramon says it's an uphill battle.

"We do try to clean what we can, but, still we're overwhelmed," says Ramon.

If there's no solution soon, Ramon fears the "Mother Earth" that he and other tribal leaders worked so hard to preserve for future generations could all be thrown away.

O'Odham officials say, at this time, they still haven't received any indication that the federal, state and county government will help economically, or by providing manpower to clean the trash up. Thousands of O'Odham tribal members also live in Mexico on native lands south of the border. Mexican officials say those areas are also being trashed by border crossers.

 



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To: sixmil
Actually the Sierra Club is against illegal aliens coming into the US and is for curbing all US immigration.

I am no Enviro-Nutzie but it is important to note and applaud that one agenda they have.
81 posted on 11/29/2002 8:38:09 PM PST by autoresponder
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To: jokar; Hildy; FITZ; A_perfect_lady; dennisw; junta; autoresponder; SCalGal; B4Ranch; 4Freedom; ...
You need to read Michelle Malkins book. With all due respect, every one of your ignorant and misguided arguments have been thoroughly refuted.

You know...

When I used to drive around the Salinas Valley -- something which I did on a daily basis for five years -- guess how many apparent Anglos I saw out laboring in the fields?

If you guessed zero, you would be correct. Not one. Not a single one.

The chance of getting either my kids to work at a McDonalds?

That is also zero.

So, tell me again just whose jobs these people are taking.

If the welfare and other laws need to be reformed -- which I believe they do -- then, by all means, let's reform them. Go for it.

I'll tell you something else...

If you lived across the border and had one lick of sense in your head and one decent impulse in your heart, you would try to come here too.

One more thing...

I one time had a bush that I wanted to dig out. I can't remember what kind of bush it was, but it had an especially nasty root system.

I couldn't do it. I worked at it with a pick-axe and a shovel for several hours. I couldn't get it.

I gave up. I drove down to to the local KMart and hired a couple Mexicans. They had the job done in a couple hours, and they did a excellent job of it.

I paid them twenty dollars apiece. In cash.

It is one of the best deals I've ever made.

I am *sure* they paid no income tax on that. They probably spend half of it on beer and the other half on rent.

You think that bothers me?

These are basically very good people. We do need to change some of our laws, but Mexican immigrants are not our enemies.

Pogo: "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

82 posted on 11/29/2002 10:38:04 PM PST by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry; Drill Alaska
Your "Mexican immigrants" were not "illegal aliens"?

Keywords: ILLEGAL, ALIENS, UNLAWFUL, STUPID, LAWSUIT, SCOFFLAW, CRIMINAL, FELONY, ABOVE THE LAW, SCUMLORD

As far as you not being able to remove a bush root yourself and choosing to "hire" 2 illegal alien Mexicans:

#1 - Dumb! One back injury would have had your "sensitivity" dragged into civil court for medical and punitive damages and then also whacked with fines for not having workers comp by your state department of labor; perhaps an OSHA visit and fines too; illegal employers are not exempt from these laws!

#2 - Any non-wimp could have used a chain on a 4WD SUV and whipped that sucker out of the ground in seconds without wasting $40.

If you had not SUV handy a simple block and tackle or a "come-a-long" would have yanked it out in a few minutes; ask any farmer, rancher, contractor, landscaper, car repair mechanic, science student, etc.

I used to either use a horse, an Allis-Chalmers tractor or dynamite as required.

Again:

Keywords: ILLEGAL, ALIENS, UNLAWFUL, STUPID, LAWSUIT, SCOFFLAW, CRIMINAL, FELONY, ABOVE THE LAW, SCUMLORD

Incidentally, cross my "borders" and be greeted by friendly hounds and a few Colts.
83 posted on 11/29/2002 11:07:44 PM PST by autoresponder
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To: autoresponder
... or dynamite as required

I was actually thinking of that. If I'd known how to get some, I propbably would have done it. It would have been very satisfying to see the explosion.

Fix a glass of Scotch, light the cord with the tip of a cigar, then take a seat out on the porch.

All things considered, that would not have been a bad way to go. It might have got me arrested, but I would like to have seen it.

84 posted on 11/29/2002 11:38:09 PM PST by The Other Harry
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To: dennisw
Border crossers - The latest politically correct term for Illegal Aliens. Isn't that special. The editors of the left wing rags held a round table discussion to come up with this new term so as not to offend the criminals or Vincente Fox.
85 posted on 11/29/2002 11:51:24 PM PST by healey22
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To: The Other Harry
Immigrants, illegal or otherwise, pay vitually all the same taxes anyone else does. They pay sales taxes, gas taxes, utility taxes, property taxes (via their rents), and so on. They typically have income taxes withheld from their pay-checks.

Most illegal immigrants, because of their low incomes, get most, if not all, of their income taxes refunded, if they file a tax return. They can also quality for the Earned Income Credit, which means that they can actually get back more on their tax refund check then the amount of income taxes that were taken out of their paychecks during the calender year.

86 posted on 11/29/2002 11:53:53 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: The Other Harry
Pogo: "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

Joe: "We have met the ememy and it is you."

87 posted on 11/29/2002 11:59:06 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: The Other Harry
Dynamite is a rural tool not a toy for amateurs.

Last resort and few stay close to observe.

Actually you could have cut it flush to just below ground level and poured some basic chemicals on it that are readily available.

Shortly it would be gone.

No drama, no sweat, just results.

And legal.
88 posted on 11/30/2002 1:14:19 AM PST by autoresponder
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To: dennisw

But there is some issue with MY nailclippers and you want to read MY email to keep the country safe?

How exactly does that work Uncle Fed?

89 posted on 11/30/2002 1:16:54 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: FITZ
Actually, an interesting rift is building right now between the IRS and SS. Just another mountain of government bullsh!t. The IRS wants illegals to apply for an "individual tax ID number, so they can pay taxes on the money they earn illegally, here in the US and at the same time side stepping the Social Security taxes.

Pretty cool hugh? Just another example of the right hand cutting off the left hand.....now the US Gub-mint is chasing after the dollars the illegals are earning here in this country.
90 posted on 11/30/2002 5:52:31 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: dennisw
Gee----these mexicans seeking the "American dream" are trashing it?

To quote Michelle Malkin, why don't we just build Motel 6's for them to stay in and leave mints on the pillow? Then they can dispose of their trash properly.

Illegal-pandering Bush would give an Executive Order to construct motels along the border if he could.....to suck up to the Hispanic voting bloc.

91 posted on 11/30/2002 6:00:46 AM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: The Other Harry
Bullsh!t.

I work about 50 feet away from around 8 to 12 Mexican "immigrants" (depends on how many show up to work drunk off their a$$ that day. Family values? I can go outside in 25 degree weather and look in a parked car one of them drives to work (illegal tags and uninsured) and see two kids bundled up in adult clothes and locked in for hours at a time.

a few weeks ago, one of the workers went on a drunken driving spree and collided with three cars in one night. One of the accidents resulted in the killing of a US citizen who was driving home from work. Payback?

"They pay us back in spades".

Sure, if you call a guy pissing on the tires of your parked car payback. This happens a few times a week, I'd say something to him but my Spanglish is limited to a few cuss words.
92 posted on 11/30/2002 6:01:02 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: Hildy
By the INS own records, they catch between 4000-6000 illegal trespassers crossing our borders in each 24 hour period. By their own accounts, they figure they catch one in 10. You do the math. Oh yea, one in five is OTM (other than Mexican).

Sleep well.
93 posted on 11/30/2002 6:07:43 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: autoresponder
Dynamite is a rural tool not a toy for amateurs.

Be that as it may, back in my college days in the late '60's, one of my miscreant associates and I managed to come by some "stumping". Regulations were much looser back then, and this was in Oregon.

We had all kinds of fun with it.

We were quite fortunate that we did not kill either ourselves or someone else.

We came close though. I recall one time when time when we'd lit the fuse on a half stick that we'd put into a gopher hole on campus when some poor SOB came meandering alone right towrds it. We both jumped up and yelled, "Get down!" He had no idea why, but he did as instructed. That was just as well, because about five seconds later the ground right in him exploded twenty feet into the air.

The stumping proved particularly efficacious for fishing. We blew up more fish than I count in the Willamette River.

It's just as well that it's harder to come by these days.

Still, I would have thoroughly enjoyed sitting on my porch and watching the remnants of that bush explode.

94 posted on 11/30/2002 6:53:40 AM PST by The Other Harry
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To: taxed2death
Sure, if you call a guy pissing on the tires of your parked car payback. This happens a few times a week, I'd say something to him but my Spanglish is limited to a few cuss words.

In that situation, a cuss-word would be appopriate. I would favor either "pendejo" or "werwone". I'm not sure the spelling of either, but I can pronounce them.

We have native-borns who do that kind of thing as well, you know. It isn't a phenomenon that is limited to Mexicans.

Let me ask you this: How much are you willing to pay for a head of lettuce? For a basket of strawberries? Would you or your kids be willing to go pick either?

There are socio-economic issues involved here -- several tons of them. They are the issue. The fact that the people who work near you are Mexicans -- and presumably illeagl immigrants -- doesn't count for anything.

They may piss on your tires from time to time. I've seen far worse from Anglos.

We should not treat them badly. There but for the grace of God go we. Every time you go to your local market, go look at the produce counter and thank them for the work they do.

95 posted on 11/30/2002 7:28:37 AM PST by The Other Harry
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To: moron
Ha ha. Well I think that ends the conversation. You are beyond hope if this is how you think.

See if you can memorize this. It won't be easy, but I think you can do it:

"I'd rather have a bottle of beer in front of me,
than a partial frontal lobotomy."

It's a bit late for you, but maybe you can still memorize that.

97 posted on 11/30/2002 8:26:45 AM PST by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry
This is a big myth. Companies do not hire cheaper workers, then slash prices. Sorry to say, but companies are not out there making sure they get you the lowest price possible. They are concerned with profit, so they lower the price for labor and keep the difference. I see no difference in the price for food, do you? Everything still costs the same, but farmers are now able to use cheap labor instead of being creative and coming up with some sort of invention like the cotton gin. You think this is good for America? One of the things that really bothers me about all this is the cultural impact. We seem to be saying that we are above doing physical labor. I can think of few things in life that better taught me the value of money and a hard day's work than physical labor. Not only are you denying that kind of experience to our youngsters, you are also blacklabling it as something only 'Mexicans' do.
98 posted on 11/30/2002 9:11:25 AM PST by sixmil
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To: rdb3
Your post was right on the mark! I live in the Sonoma Valley, Ca. A multi-billion dollar wine industry. The INS has informed me that they cannot go onto private properties without notifying the owners, with as much as a two week notice! The schools are required to notify INS of undocumented aliens, but they do not, and the INS cannot demand records. In the mean time, we are losing our hospital,(that the wineries could well afford to fund), and our schools are worthless, catering and bankrupting themselves because of the "non-english" speaker!!!
99 posted on 11/30/2002 10:17:44 AM PST by Terridan
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