FReepers Against Voter Fraud - (Thread 2)

November 29, 2002 | sweetliberty

[Budge]

Excellent NM! Looks like you need to check your e-mail a little more often. :)

I think I finally found an archivest, Don Friovinai (with a little assistance from me). I set up an account that we'll both be able to access.

Doug (DF) set up a newer computer in the FReepmobile and he and my next door neighbor networked it to my computer and cablemodem.

I hope between the two of us we can do a halfway decent job of this. Hopefully I can get some hints from Alamo-Girl, Billie and others. My only experience with web pages has been the Blood Trail/Tainted Blood scandal.

[firewalk]

Thanks for the ping & good morning....

[sweetliberty]

Good morning....*yawn*.

[Budge]

...that's not the last word because Democrats and Republicans hope the disputed election will prompt a complete review of Alabama's election laws.

This is what STR suggested, and I concur.

"The voters want to see the system reformed. I think they are right. It ought to be reformed," Republican Attorney General Bill Pryor said

I personally think there are some honest Democrats out there who could and would work with us to clean up this mess. I just hope we can find them.

[sweetliberty]

Morning Budge. Are there really people whe get up this early all the time?? LOL! Too early for me. Ornery cat wouldn't let me get my last 45 minutes of sleep this morning.

[firewalk]

I knew someone had coffee around here....

thank you, hope you have a nice day

[sweetliberty]

Thanks. You too.

[conservativemusician]

Thanks for the update. That Saundra is one helluva lady! A couple of divisions of people like her and the 'Rats would be scurrying back into their holes.

Never lose focus!

[TheLion]

A mid-day bump.

[TheLion]

A little news from New Jersey:

11/07/02) PALISADES PARK - Just a short time after Election Day, New Jersey is launching its first investigation into Tuesday's election.

The Bergen County election superintendent impounded 276 absentee ballots from Palisades Park. Newspaper reports say the investigation is focusing on ballots cast by Korean voters.

The probe is based on four irregularities including; the way voters requested absentee ballots, voters who may have received improper assistance, delivery of the ballots by someone other than the voter and instances where the voter gave an unmarked ballot to another person.

The county prosecutor is looking into the matter.

http://www.news12.com/NewCDA/articles/article_detail/0,5942,&rid%3D12&region%3DNJ&tab%3Dtopstories&id%3D50023,00.html

[TheLion]

States have until 2004 to centralize their voting systems. IMO, this will really help! Here is a piece from Connecticut:

Registrars unhappy, but will adopt centralized voting law


By BILL LARKIN, Staff Writer November 26, 2002


NEW BRITAIN -- City registrars are not happy about it, but they say they will comply with a new federal law requiring them to adopt the Secretary of the State’s centralized online voter registration system.
Authored by U.S. Sen. Christopher Dodd, the Help America Vote Act of 2002 requires all states to adopt centralized voter registration systems by 2004. Dodd wrote the bill with the help of Secretary of the State Susan Bysiewicz, who has been promoting her office’s centralized system for the past two years.

Bysiewicz called the centralized system requirement the "centerpiece of the bill."

She said the system will reduce voter fraud by preventing voters from registering in more than one municipality, thereby limiting persons to one vote each.

New Britain is one of 13 municipalities which have yet to sign on to the system.

Democrat Registrar Edward Dzwonkowski claimed Bysiewicz pushed for the legislation because of gubernatorial aspirations. The secretary is on a short list of Democratic candidates for governor in 2006.

"She should work in an elections office in a large city and find out what it’s like," he said.

Dzwonkowski said the centralized system is faulty and would require his office to use the old and new systems concurrently. The new system could also cost cities and towns money.

"We just want to make sure there are no problems on Election Day," he said.

Bysiewicz said the system has shown no signs of difficulty during recent demonstrations across the state. Any decision to run two systems at the same time would be voluntary, the secretary said.

While Congress has yet to approve appropriations bills, she said Dodd’s bill authorizes $3.9 billion for states to comply. Every city or town that signs contracts with her office will receive a computer and high-speed Internet connection to manage the online system, she said.

Nevertheless, the registrars say they will not get onto the system until they believe it is working correctly.

"We have no plans until they tell us what’s what," Dzwonkowski said.

If the registrars do not comply, U.S. attorneys general could take action.

Bysiewicz said the federal government had to get involved to free up several of the centralized system requirements languishing in state capitols across the country. She said it was important that voters deciding national elections use consistent systems.

"The Constitution guarantees the right to vote, and I feel that justifies Congress’ decision to make this requirement of state and local governments."

http://www.newbritainherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6188720&BRD=1641&PAG=461&dept_id=10110&rfi=6

[sweetliberty]

This is going to get very interesting. I'm thinking that if we make a lot of noise over the next 2 years, we may be seeing more of this sort of thing, but then that's the whole point. :-)

[TheLion]

Recent Nye County, Nevada news:

TONOPAH, NV, November 20
More records seized by FBI in Nye County voter probe

The FBI has seized more Nye County election records as part of an investigation into allegations of voter fraud.

A deputy county clerk in Tonopah says two agents from the FBI office in Las Vegas confiscated voter registration records and absentee ballots from the November fifth election. The FBI isn't commenting.

The investigation began after people in Pahrump complained of voter fraud after the September third primary election. FBI agents confiscated records on October 21st from previous elections.

A week earlier, a Nye County District Court judge in Pahrump disqualified 859 voters. That's almost five percent of the county's voters. He ruled they were either dead or didn't live where they said they did.

(Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

[sweetliberty]

I'm not sure what I think about that. I have mixed feelings. I'll have to give it some thought.

[TheLion]

I think it can only get better, not worse. Things are happening....and this is good!

[TheLion]

In Virginia we have to vote in our precinct and at one location. It is the only location we are allowed to vote at. The problem in Virginia, as I see it, is the Motor Voting Act that illegals, felons etc, have access to.

Do you think centralized voting will hurt us? I think it will make fraud a little harder.

[sweetliberty]

I don't trust it. And I have a real problem with centralized data bases of any kind. Besides that, it seems that that is just one more way for the federal government to get bigger and furthur undermine the rights of the states. I don't know. Like I said, I'll have to think about it some more and read the information in more detail.

[TheLion]

Clueless in Florida: The last paragraph sort of tells it all!

Early voter OK'd for second try

By Louis J. Salome, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 6, 2002

NORTH PALM BEACH -- Around 11 a.m. on Monday, I cast an absentee ballot at election headquarters in West Palm Beach. Hundreds of others did the same in a process of waiting and voting that took slightly more than an hour.

At 10:30 a.m. on Tuesday -- 3 1/2 hours after the polls opened -- I walked into my voting precinct, 1146, at the North Palm Beach Community Center, to see whether I would be barred from voting again, as I should have been. My intent was not to vote a second time, but to see whether the system worked and poll workers knew who had voted already and would prevent a person from voting twice.

To my amazement, I was cleared to vote a second time, exposing a flaw in the system.

I showed Marge, one of two poll workers checking identification, a photo ID and my voter registration card. I told Marge where I lived, she found my name and asked for my signature before she gave me an electronic voter card, which cleared me to vote. Again.

Marge had no information that showed I had voted absentee, although she should have had the names of all precinct voters who cast absentee ballots or requested them.

Eight people were ahead of me waiting to vote. When a poll worker said a machine was available, I asked to see the supervisor. I certainly would not be voting again, and I wanted to explain what was taking place.

Gayle Davis, the chief clerk, turned pale when I told her I voted by absentee on Monday and that I had just been cleared to vote a second time.

I explained that I work at The Palm Beach Post and wanted to see whether the absentee voter list had reached the precinct in time to keep someone from voting a second time. Davis grasped the implications, pleaded for understanding and noted that humans make mistakes. She admitted that the absentee voter list had not reached the poll workers.

"I appreciate you coming in, sir. I have turned in your voter card," Davis said. She had asked me to return the card, then gave it back to Marge.

At 10:40 a.m., as we were talking, Davis rose and returned with what she said was the list of voters who had requested or cast absentee ballots. An elections worker delivered the list 3 hours and 40 minutes after the polls opened.

Davis would not let me read the list but said my name was on it. Although I was reading backwards, I believe I saw my name on the first page, which was filled with names.

A poll worker for four years, Davis said, "This is the very first time the sheet has ever been this late. I certainly am going to bring this to their attention."


Precinct at end of route
In Precinct 1158, at the opposite end of the room from Precinct 1146, the absentee voter list arrived about 10:40 a.m. Tuesday, too.

When the list of absentee voters is delivered, poll workers are supposed to indicate the names of people who voted absentee and prevent them from voting again.

Theresa LePore, Palm Beach County elections supervisor, said field representatives were to have left election headquarters at 5:30 a.m. Tuesday with lists of absentee voters to deliver to all 643 precincts.

The field representative serving North Palm Beach was "obviously at the end of the route" when he arrived at 10:40 a.m., LePore said.

"I agree, you could have voted," LePore said, after I described the circumstances. But, she said, anyone who votes twice "commits a third-degree felony." Five years in prison and a $5,000 fine is the maximum punishment for a third-degree felony.

No other cases reported
LePore said a backup system exists to catch absentee voters who vote a second time on Election Day and, when caught, the names of those voters are sent to the state attorney's office for possible prosecution.

But, LePore said, she could recall no such prosecutions in recent years. That means no one has voted twice, no one has been caught voting twice or if anyone has been caught, that person has not been turned over to prosecutors. LePore said at midday Tuesday that no other cases of possible two-time voters had been reported.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement said its records show "maybe two" cases of absentee voter fraud prosecuted anywhere in Florida during the past 10 years or so. The Palm Beach County State Attorney's Office said no cases were filed locally concerning absentee voter fraud during the past four years.

Before the results are certified, signatures on absentee ballots are checked against signatures on precinct voter registration lists to catch possible two-time voters, LePore said. (A spokesman for LePore said Tuesday night that, if records indicated a Post reporter voted twice, the matter would be referred to the state attorney's office.)

A state elections official said possible double voting is supposed to be prevented on Election Day by delivering absentee voter lists to precinct workers before the polls open, which wasn't done in Precinct 1146.

If that isn't done, the official said, it's possible for two-time voters to be caught later by checking signatures before the votes are counted. But most likely, if a person votes by absentee and regular ballot, both ballots would be counted, the state official said.

http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/wednesday/local_news_d38c3ac04190025b00c3.html

[TheLion]

In surfing the internet for voter fraud news I have come across numerous articles and websites of Democrats. They post garbage like; any attempt at stopping vote fraud is nothing more than code words to stiffle the vote and out right voter intimidation.

This is the Democrat's definition of vote fraud!

This is also their plan to stop this movement. Their words ring hollow, and of course, they have no facts to back them up! As my old Republican friend used to say, "Never Confuse a Democrat With the Facts!"

[Bigg Red]

Thanks for the flag. Saudra Duffy rules!