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Why Most Teachers Are Leftists
Toogood Reports ^ | 12/2/2002 | Michael D. Shaw

Posted on 12/02/2002 9:13:24 AM PST by geedee

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To: A CA Guy
Fair enough. I wonder where he lives?
61 posted on 12/03/2002 5:16:04 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Semper911
Good on you! For the record, I just left the classroom myself and the writings of Gatto, whom I cited earlier in the thread, were very influential in my shift of philosophy and decision to leave. I'm part of the resistance, now. I've gone underground. I find that I can make more of a difference by tutoring and consulting home school families part-time. It is more satisfying, more effective, more money, and far less stress. And now for my rant:

So yes, I bash "teachers" fully recognizing that on the whole, they are good-hearted, well-meaning people. Perhaps not the sharpest tools in the barn, perhaps rather sheltered, but honest and generous nonetheless.

I bash a hopelessly broken system that the same people, teachers, would defend to the death.

I bash a philosophy that believes that the State knows better. If the same good teachers believe this philosphy, so be it.

I bash a culture of dependency- the notion that you can't know something unless a "teacher" teaches it to you. Many teachers are threatened by the idea that they aren't essential.

I bash the idea that a teaching credential imparts a special, cosmic power to an individual, elevating them to some mysterious higher plane of being "qualified" to spend time with a child. I took those classes and they were quite useless.

I bash equating grades with worth or potential. It is a false standard. I bash anyone who waves grades in a parent's face as a measure of a child or their parenting skills. My gpa was higher than yours, but what does that mean? Not a blooming thing!

I bash the notion that children are little cookie-cutter people that can be put together on an assembly line in a factory, who all learn to read at the same age, who all learn to multiply on the same day, who all paint blue skies and red flowers with green leaves. Teachers who pay lip service to the individuality of each child, but then try to cram them into a cagegory (like "learning disabled", "ADD", "average", etc.) need to be bashed along with the system.

I bash without apology because it is going to take quite a jolt to dislodge the mass-schooling paradigm in this country. And I encourage all teachers to read the writings of John Taylor Gatto. His essays are widely available on the internet and several chapters of his book is at his website.

62 posted on 12/03/2002 5:20:56 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Lil'freeper
Oooh, lets work on some noun-verb agreement: several chapters of his book are available at his website.
63 posted on 12/03/2002 5:52:21 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Semper911
Kudos to you for teaching. Once upon I time, I intended to teach, but in 1972, the year I finished my writtens and orals in European intellectual history, the bottom fell out of the academic job market. I still read history, but am surely not current with recent scholarship in my field. I ended up as a lawyer, though I also did graduate work in mathematical economics and served as an artillery officer. As much as I enjoy law, if I could afford it, I would teach. Unfortunately, my family could not live where and as we do if I were teaching.

You ask what I (among others) am doing? I have volunteered in my kids schools in the areas of my expertise and have been constantly engaged with the marxist and socialist history facutly in my daughters' high school. Perhaps, if I am not too old then, I will semi-retire to teach after my kids are out of college. The problem, of course, is that it is almost impossible to be hired if you are a conservative, because the existing faculty are all so left wing. In our 22 person social studies department, the most conservative person is a liberal democrat, most descibe themselves as some sort of democratic socialist or social democrat -- they admire the European lefts --, and a few are avowed Marxists. How anyone can be a committed Marxist after the Fall of the Soviet Union is beyond me, but there you have it.

My experiences with teachers overall has been mixed. Based on my own primary and secondary school experiences, I used to believe that 3 out of 4 teachers were incompetent. The schools where my children are growing up (Greenwich, CT) are far better, perhaps only 1/2 are incompetent, and of those, perhaps 1/3 are bright enough, but burned out.

64 posted on 12/03/2002 5:57:24 AM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: Semper911
I agree, it's a fun sport here to bash teachers. Teachers in general. We obviously realize that there are good teachers out there. They're just too few and far between. As you said: "My colleagues are not very bright." That's certainly my experience with the vast majority teachers I know.

How am I making a difference? Beyond keeping myself informed on issues in my local school district and voting, I homeschool. And yes, I do think that is making a difference. A big one. Otherwise the NEA would be so against it.

However, even if I didn't have small children, I wouldn't consider teaching. Having seen first hand how teachers' hands are tied to affect any disclipline in their classrooms. Knowing the kind of person with and for whom I'd have to work, I'd be miserable.

My favorite teacher in high school quit the year I graduated. He saw the changes in the students that were coming up in the system and he didn't relish the thought of having them in his class. No too many years later, he return to teaching. It was his passion and he just wasn't happy in private industry. He was a tough, no-nonsense teacher who had high expectations and knew his stuff. Teachers like him I applaud. That is not, however, what the "Educational Establishment" trains their teachers to be.

FP

65 posted on 12/03/2002 5:58:08 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: Lil'freeper
The teachers' union is governed by old guards communists. Their mission is to indoctrinate the children with predetermined social engineering propaganda. Regular teachers must comply with the "party line" or never get promoted. That is the dilemma in a nut shell.
66 posted on 12/03/2002 5:58:39 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
There is much more to your "or". You must comply or get slammed with the heaviest schedules, or get classes stacked with the "worst" kids, or get stuck with the "worst" duties, or get drafted into serving on committees, or have the administration turn their back on you, or be harassed when it comes evaluation time, or be subject to rumor campaigns. It is all about compliance and control and schools are very good at it.
67 posted on 12/03/2002 6:07:22 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Semper911
Semper, I AM becoming a teacher, that's why I know so much about the crap they feed students in the Education classes.
68 posted on 12/03/2002 6:48:52 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Semper911
God Bless You!!

It must be terribly frustrating for you in the teacher's lounge. My wife's immediate family has several teachers and school psychologists. Wonderful people. But they are not the intellectuals thay fancy themselves to be and their brand of smirking liberalism can infuriate me. Keep freeping!

69 posted on 12/03/2002 7:07:45 AM PST by Lando Lincoln
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To: Semper911
I find your posts absolutely refreshing. I agree with many of the posts about the lack of parental involvement with their children. My wife and I are totally immersed in our boys education. My one son is reading at grade level today because of my wife's relentless efforts. Sadly, I see many wonderful children whose parents are more concerned about careers, the hairdresser, their golf game or whatever. And I live in a middle class community where drug abuse is not apparent - it must be orders of magnitude worse where some of societies worst ills are present.

That said, liberalism is far too institutionalized among education professionals.

70 posted on 12/03/2002 7:22:40 AM PST by Lando Lincoln
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To: Semper911
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/736669/posts?page=69#69
71 posted on 12/03/2002 9:58:09 AM PST by EdReform
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73 posted on 12/04/2002 2:31:01 AM PST by kitkat
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To: geedee
>>Where was I when the NEA was given this kind of power?

I remember a Forbes magazine cover from at least 10 or 15 years ago, with a chalk blackboard and an apple, and a headline that was something like "The Most Dangerous Organization in America." The cover feature article was of course about the NEA.

BTW, anyone who reads the general business magazines will quickly come to the conclusion that Fortune is written by Democratic Socialists and Forbes is reasonably conservative.
74 posted on 12/04/2002 2:42:31 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: enfield
Kindly give someone else grief, 'cause I've taken the bull by the horns.

How the hell would I know that? If you are a teacher, then you understand my frustration with the constant bitching about education by people who do nothing about it.

I wasn't talking to anyone in particular. I was just pinging people to my original post. It's great that you have taken action on the issue, but it's too bad you have to be a jerk about it.

75 posted on 12/04/2002 5:55:12 AM PST by Semper911
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bttt
76 posted on 12/07/2002 2:27:48 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: geedee
On a side note here:

I subbed at a school last week where I got into a discussion about shopping for Christmas and asked a teacher if she had heard about WalMart having its biggest sale day ever.

Her reply:

"Oh, I certainly would never shop at WalMart because they are a non-union store and as a union member I just would not lower myself to go there."

Made me want to go over and purchase something at WalMart (not made in China)! LOL!

So the answer to the title is union, union, union, NEA, NEA, NEA.
77 posted on 12/07/2002 2:35:56 PM PST by Salvation
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To: Semper911
I teach. I am NOT leftist. I am NOT a union member, though several have tried to make me join. I work in a small district where the administration and the board have done a fine job of protecting us from some of the things the state says should be taught (like, kindergarteners need to be exposed to gay/lesbo/transvestites.). There are a bunch of teachers at my school that would quit if we were forced to teach it, and the administration knows it.

I see kids who aren't prepared everyday, and it is frightening what they do not know. Stuff I took for granted, like wires and batteries and lightbulbs making a circuit, are foreign to them. My first grader is at the top of his little class. He's won awards for reading, math, behavior, you name it, and he reads at least two years ahead of his grade. My wife (a stay-home mom) and I work with him every day. When he was a baby, we talked to him, read to him, all that, and when he started school, we wondered if he was a freak for being so bright, or was that normal, the way kids should be, without all the cultural bull***t that has produced a nation of morons.

I worry about our society because I see it crumbling before my eyes. I do my best to teach the kids not only math, but as much morality as I possibly can because I know I will stand before my Lord and give an account for it. But I honestly can't wait for the whole stinking system to implode because in all the ensuing chaos, a better system will emerge. I can't wait for all the union dorks who have no business in the classroom to be shown to be the inept, wretched cowards they are. I pray for the day!

78 posted on 12/07/2002 2:59:34 PM PST by Othniel
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To: Lil'freeper
Hey, I was a high school teacher for 10 years, then a layoff forced me back into aerospace engineering where 26 more years netted me a fine pension and a 401 K nest egg. As a teacher I probably would have done almost as well, since I would have invested the money that I did not have to pay into the Social Security system. For the record, my degree was in EE from Berkeley and I continued to do training in the aerospace industry.

I agree completely with your bashing. I worked in California and loved teaching but was laid off based not on performance but on senority. Now in retirement if I needed some extra money and was not interested in RV'ing around the country, I would go back to tutoring and helping the home schooling system. Good for you.
79 posted on 12/07/2002 3:16:46 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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