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Taxpayers Livid in Davis [138% Increase in Property Taxes]
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | Tuesday, December 03, 2002 | LORI BUTTARS

Posted on 12/03/2002 9:20:26 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

FARMINGTON [Utah]-- Davis County Commissioners did not hear all of the concerns of the people who attended Monday's truth-in-taxation budget hearing at the Davis County Courthouse.

And that might have been a good thing, given that most of the people who filled the courthouse's four overflow rooms regularly shouted insults at the projected images of the three commissioners, Dannie McConÂkie, Carol Page and Michael Cragun, as they listened to comments from residents concerned about the county's proposed 138 percent jump in property taxes.

"Give yourself a pay cut" and "Vote the bastards out" were common refrains.

It wasn't long into the three-hour proceeding that chants of "No more taxes!" arose in the hallways.

The dissidents saw a conspiracy around every corner for how the all-Republican commission has handled the tax increase -- a hike that would more than double the county's portion of property taxes from $110.09 to $262.32 on an average home with a market value of $163,000.

"Why aren't you holding this in a high school or a facility where people could come together for a genuine public discussion?" chastised Bountiful resident Richard Reid.

"Why are you having this meeting at dinner time on the night of Family Home Evening?" said Farmington resident Tom Owens. He noted that Davis County is one of the most Republican counties of the most Republican states, and a place where many residents hold to the LDS Church practice of spending time with family Monday evenings. "People feel you've really tried to sneak one by them."

Commissioners will finalize the budget at a special commission meeting at 10 a.m. Dec. 16. The trio had planned to do it at the regular Tuesday meeting Dec. 17, but had to move it to Monday to comply with a state law that says the budget must be adopted within two weeks of the public hearing.

As for the notion that commissioners were hoping for a low turnout on a Monday night when many people would plan to adhere to religious leaders' requests, commissioners simply said that state law requires that these types of hearings not conflict with other municipal budgetary processes.

That brought up another sore subject: that commissioners waited to deliver the bad news until after the Nov. 5 election, in which two of them strode to the winner's circle with little or no opposition.

Commissioners, who hinted of a tax hike before the election, did not answer that query publicly. But in the past, Davis County Clerk-Auditor Steve Rawlings said that the tax increase would be so significant that it would be "irresponsible to talk about the number until we have it nailed down."

Sen. Howard Stephenson, R-Draper, president of the Utah Taxpayers Association, called the tax increase egregious.

"I am embarrassed to be in the same party with the three Republican commissioners because they should know better," he said at a Utah Taxpayers news conference held in Farmington on Monday, which happened to coincide with the state deadline for property tax to be paid.

Cragun, the junior member of the commission, had the unenviable task of outlining the proposed 2003 budget at the hearing.

Nearly $80 of every $152 in new taxes will go to construction and operation of a new, $25 million jail, Cragun said.

The capacity of the barely decade-old county facility will increase from 400 to nearly 800. In addition to the jail expansion, the biggest segments of the $110 million budget call for 40 new vehicles for the Davis County Sheriff's Office fleet, 31 new county employees and an upgrade for the county's computer systems.

But Cragun did not rule out tweaking the budget more.

"We adopted a $116 million tentative budget, and it's down to $110 million today," he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: rinos; taxes
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Thanks for the ping, I saw the angry residents on KSL TV last night. Wow, lots and lots of anger there.
21 posted on 12/03/2002 9:49:08 AM PST by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
Yep, this could get pretty ugly.
22 posted on 12/03/2002 9:51:08 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Boy, what did it say? I missed it.
23 posted on 12/03/2002 9:52:10 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: Utah Girl
I live in Weber County. This has been all over the local news here.
24 posted on 12/03/2002 9:52:30 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Catspaw
Same here in rural minnesota.
25 posted on 12/03/2002 9:53:26 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
He/she suggested that certain politicians face physical harm. I don't want that, but I like to see politicians face some heat, especially when they pull a stunt like this.
26 posted on 12/03/2002 9:54:26 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
First, there was:

Night of the Living Dead!

Now, we have:

on the night of Family Home Evening?

I guess it's an institutional thingy.

Pookie & ME

27 posted on 12/03/2002 9:56:50 AM PST by Pookie Me
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To: Utah Girl
Did you see that on channel 5 last night? They really has some livid residents.

I recently added onto my house instead of building a new one because of the tax burden that would impose on me.

The only analogy I can think of that makes sense for the situation is to imagine they only paid $0.30 cents a gallon for gas today, (for living close to the refinery there) and now someone proposed they pay $0.65 cents, when the rest of us pony up $1.65 a gallon.

Make sense?

28 posted on 12/03/2002 9:59:10 AM PST by Sundog
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To: Catspaw
When you look closely at exactly what people are held for in a county jail, you might think twice about footing the bill. The jails are really being built for the convenience of the lawyers and courts. Rare is the real criminal we all envision. Mostly white trash who passed bad checks, bar-room assaults(now there is a surprise), drunk drivers, pot smokers, and such.... They send the Daddy Rapers, and violent ones to the state faster than feces through a goose.
29 posted on 12/03/2002 9:59:17 AM PST by blackdog
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To: tom paine 2
No I am not happy about that.

Are you fimiliar with the expression, "Then let's spread the pain around?"

cheers. (no pun intended.)

30 posted on 12/03/2002 10:00:28 AM PST by Sundog
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Property taxes are nothing but a massive fraud scheme.
31 posted on 12/03/2002 10:01:28 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Catspaw
Your observation is entirely correct.

We help our inlaws who have the same problem in California.

I moved to Utah 22 years ago in the hopes it would be a better place to raise children.

Once you have a government who believes they can live by taxing the rich and giving it to the poor in exchange for votes it is only a matter of time until the rich go away.

Do you remember that 1960's bumper sticker that simply said, "Eat the rich"?

Cheers.

32 posted on 12/03/2002 10:03:05 AM PST by Sundog
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To: Catspaw
Your observation is entirely correct.

We help our inlaws who have the same problem in California.

I moved to Utah 22 years ago in the hopes it would be a better place to raise children.

Once you have a government who believes they can live by taxing the rich and giving it to the poor in exchange for votes it is only a matter of time until the rich go away.

Do you remember that 1960's bumper sticker that simply said, "Eat the rich"?

Cheers.

33 posted on 12/03/2002 10:03:05 AM PST by Sundog
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Property tax is a huge scam perpetuated on the American public, right up there with global warming and one-hour Martinizing.
34 posted on 12/03/2002 10:06:10 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: blackdog
Naw, This is Utah.

It is not for the convenience of lawyers here.

I know people working in the law enforcement / prison warden occupations.

Sorry about that.

35 posted on 12/03/2002 10:07:24 AM PST by Sundog
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To: hopespringseternal
" In Texas, you are talking about $6000-$7000, if not more. The rule here is that your monthly tax payment will be 50% of your principle and interest."

WOW! Guess, I am pretty lucky. In NW Kentucky the tax on a house of $160,000 will run around $1,200 a year.

36 posted on 12/03/2002 10:07:44 AM PST by auggy
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Looks like the voters got what they voted for.
37 posted on 12/03/2002 10:11:28 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I see. Yeah that's a bit far...
38 posted on 12/03/2002 10:11:52 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Seems to me the point here is not that the residents of Davis County are getting off cheap, but that they should only be taxed at the rate needed for expenses. I know nothing about the laws in Utah, but seems to me that a $25M dollar jail should have been a ballot question rather than a decision made by 3 politicians.
39 posted on 12/03/2002 10:19:44 AM PST by OBone
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Scams you can walk away from. Payment or Confiscation is the choice here. Disinformation is the business of a repressive government. A proper level of taxation is simply the study of avoiding civil unrest. Disinformation has been spread to the effect that "You don't have to pay for the services you want." Lawyers and other parasites have tapped into the cash flow in counties and states where the taxes are above 1% of the valuation of the property. Taxation below 0.1% of the property values are clearly out of line, disinformation and scams notwithstanding.

Cheers.

p.s. All, I have to get back to work now. Somebody has to pay the rest of the taxes.

40 posted on 12/03/2002 10:23:29 AM PST by Sundog
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