Posted on 12/03/2002 4:37:57 PM PST by Heartlander2
Keep in mind, wisdom comes in later years...
How so?
Meaning?
My criticism was the same as muawiyah's. The way you posted your point tended to take away credence from what you were driving at. Posting quotes taken out of context like that is a form of propaganda- it's routine in politics and it's become routine lately with the politicization of science- ie Kyoto, genetically modified food etc.
It doesn't help people make informed decisions- rather it muddies the waters of debate.
Nobody's telling you to run out and get a smallpox vaccine. I personally don't care whether you do or not. I'm not lining up to get one. I'll get one if my wife does- she's a doctor. If she thinks we need one- I'll get it. If she doesn't get it, I won't get it. That's about as far as my information process on the issue needs to go. I personally don't care much whether I catch smallpox or not- it's not something I lose a lot of sleep over. Each individual has to make up their own mind. If these fellows do the trick for you, more power to you.
Are you saying a human's suffering is equivalent to an animal's suffering?
My wife is an RN.
I had the smallpox vaccination as a child.
I had the smallpox vaccination in the Army.
Count me in as the first in line when the smallpox vaccinations when are available once again.
The information that I posted ARE facts, whether you wish them to be or not..
Did you know that in 1977, Dr. Salk himself TESTIFIED amongst other highly respected scientists that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" )
Do you believe that God allows us to torture animals?
I had the smallpox vaccination in the Army
Ditto. It's not me I'm worried about it's my grandkids.
The historical record of smallpox outbreaks indicates a 30% fatality rate. If they have weaponised smallpox and the means to deliver it in an urban environment, it will make the anthrax terrorism a walk in the park.
Transmission rates are very high and the system will be severely taxed.
I know this, somebody thinks the bad guys have it and that they are going to try and use it.
Ever wonder why immunization is required in schools? Because one infected child can cause multiple deaths in the community. If you prevent the spread of a disease early, it will not be transmitted to the rest of the population.
Personally, if I see someone infected with smallpox, I would shoot them on sight and burn the body.
Your choice, but make is wisely.
It might be better to start with "Do I believe in God(s)?"
But you didn't answer my question. Is killing an animal the same as killing a human? Is causing suffering to an ant, for example, the same as causing suffering to a 3 yr old child?
What if it were YOU, your WIFE, or your CHILDREN?
When did I say I didn't wish them to be facts? I'm not attacking you. I criticized the manner in which you presented your argument. This was meant as constructive criticism. I'm not arguing pro or con against vaccination. I have no dog in this fight. I don't care.
I simply took the liberty to type this Hadwen fellow's name in the Google search box and that's one of the first things I came up with- a quote where he more or less equates vivisection to human slavery. Why does this disturb you? It was an eyebrow raiser for me.
And what gods do you believe in ps?
But you didn't answer my question. Is killing an animal the same as killing a human? Is causing suffering to an ant, for example, the same as causing suffering to a 3 yr old child?
Of course killing an animal OTHER than a human isn't. An ant, as per my theological scale, is not equivilant to the life of a mammal. However, you tell me that a dog or monkey doesn't feel the same pain and horror as that of a 3 year old child, and well, you better HOPE there isn't such a thing as REINCARNATION...
Facts REALLY s**k, don't they?
I'm not afraid of immunization. Where did you get this? I've been innoculated for things I don't even know about. You spend enough time in the Army, you don't even think about what they're jabbing you with any longer. I've no problem with being immunized- whatsoever. I've been vaccinated against smallpox already. I trust my wife's judgement. If she thinks we need one, I'll get it- if not, not.
Personally, if I see someone infected with smallpox, I would shoot them on sight and burn the body.
What are your qualifications for making the diagnosis? Just curious. I'm more for shooting stupid people myself. They're just as dangerous ;-)
Yes, I would burn my own wife or children if required.
This is very serious and not like the flu.
Recently, I have been studying President John Adams and how his family dealt with the smallpox epidemic in Boston. His family was vaccinated "the hard way" and it was a three week process. One of their sons almost died during that vaccination process.
Freedom of choice, but make your choices wisely.
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