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Boomers Readied for Littoral, Special Warfare (ballistic missile subs go after terrorists)
The Navlog ^ | 12/02 | Sherman

Posted on 12/06/2002 10:44:07 AM PST by pabianice

The US Navy has twelve aircraft carriers in various states of readiness and repair. Unfortunately, as highly publicized recent problems with ships (USS John F. Kennedy and USS Detroit, to name two) and aircraft (EA-6B, F-14, and S-3B) have shown, the US Navy is currently stretched beyond its ability to meet the commitments set for it after September 11, 2001.

The Navy is addressing the problem in part by changing its ship mix. The Navy’s four oldest Ohio-class Trident ballistic missile submarines are about to be converted to carry 166 Tomahawk cruise missiles in place of each’s 24 nuclear ballistic missiles. This transformation is part of a $4 billion Congressional authorization to reshape the US’ four oldest Trident-class subs to, in the words of one Navy official, “modern street fighters.” Or, to think of them another way, firepower extenders – getting a lot of whistling death to a hot spot quickly. Conversion of the four older Tridents will leave fourteen others still on nuclear attack deterrence duty.

The converted Ohio-class boats are to be equipped with the Tactical Tomahawk Weapons Control System (Lockheed Martin Management and Data Systems, Valley Forge, PA), developed for Burke-class destroyers and Ticonderoga-class cruisers, as well as the Multiple All-up-round Canisters (MAC), from Northrop Grumman (Annapolis, MD). Originally designed to manage up to 128 missiles, the TTWCS will require only a software modification to adapt it for SSGN use, according to CAPT Brian Wegner, SSGN Program Manager.

Full article at www.navlog.org: "US Navy Converts Boomers to Cruise Missile Subs"

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1 posted on 12/06/2002 10:44:07 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice
Wouldn't it be cheaper and as effective to deliver cruise missles from surface ships, planes and land vehicles?
2 posted on 12/06/2002 10:54:14 AM PST by Gary Boldwater
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To: Gary Boldwater
Think of how many cruise missiles you could put on a converted Iowa class battleship.
3 posted on 12/06/2002 11:00:48 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Gary Boldwater
Wouldn't it be cheaper and as effective to deliver cruise missles from surface ships, planes and land vehicles?

Not sure about the cost factor, but the Boomers represent a strategic advantage, since they are not as vulnerable as a surface ship.

A nuclear sub doesn't show up on enemy coastal radar, it just pops up and shoots.

4 posted on 12/06/2002 11:08:16 AM PST by Kenton
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To: Gary Boldwater; PAR35
How about an oil tanker with the holds filled with styrafoam/other foamed plastic and maybe some armor on the superstructure?

IIRC ULCC ships shrugged off Exocet hits during the first gulf war...fill 'em up with, hell, bags of ping-pong balls and they'd be pretty tough to sink- mount scads 'n' scads of tomahawk missiles, a bunch of CIWS...maybe even advanced 8" guns...automate the hell out of it...slow, but somewhat less expensive, difficult to kill...

any navy types care to comment?

5 posted on 12/06/2002 11:11:55 AM PST by fourdeuce82d
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To: pabianice
Let's wipe out more aspirin factories and ancient Christian churches.Increase the firepower.Take over the whole planet.
6 posted on 12/06/2002 11:12:06 AM PST by IGNATIUS
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To: IGNATIUS
Clintons gone.
7 posted on 12/06/2002 11:16:57 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: pabianice
Great post! This navy guy's take on this is that the conversions will be coming too late. Navy needs a lot of money and attention now. Regards, Avery (Call sign: The Elf)

DTOM!

8 posted on 12/06/2002 11:31:00 AM PST by Ace's Dad
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To: Gary Boldwater
Wouldn't it be cheaper and as effective to deliver cruise missles from surface ships, planes and land vehicles?

Possibly, but surface ships can be spotted by commercial satellites. Submarines are much harder to spot, so they can surprise their enemies.

9 posted on 12/06/2002 11:33:51 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: pabianice
Looks like someone in the Pentagon has been reading Tom Clancy's book "Debt of Honor"...in the story, boomers ready for the scrapyard were pulled into service to beef up our depleted fleet.

Wouldn't be the first time that life has imitated Clancy's art...since that same book ends with a terrorist flying a jumbo jet into a large building...the U.S. Capitol.

"Debt of Honor" was first published in 1994.
10 posted on 12/06/2002 11:38:01 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Gary Boldwater
Wouldn't it be cheaper and as effective to deliver cruise missles from surface ships, planes and land vehicles?

It might be cheaper but the Boomers allow a whole lot of stealthy firepower in one package. Surface ships, planes and land vehicles are, potentially, more vunerable than subs.

11 posted on 12/06/2002 11:44:14 AM PST by scooter2
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To: Kenton
A nuclear sub doesn't show up on enemy coastal radar, it just pops up and shoots.

You're close...We didn't just pop up and shoot, we shoot while submerged.

RetiredCOB (Chief of the Boat)
12 posted on 12/06/2002 11:49:06 AM PST by Retired COB
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To: Gary Boldwater
Wouldn't it be cheaper and as effective to deliver cruise missles from surface ships, planes and land vehicles?

It would certainly be cheaper to build a new surface ship to do this than to build a new submarine to do this, but as long as the submarines are already here and we're paying their operation costs and crews and support, etc., this might be a more "bang for the buck" way to use a few of them than to just have them waiting around for a full-scale nuclear war that may never come.

13 posted on 12/06/2002 12:08:07 PM PST by Dan Day
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To: Dan Day
Plus the nuke subs can probably beat any surface ship to a firing position - especially in bad weather.
14 posted on 12/06/2002 12:25:14 PM PST by corkoman
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To: Retired COB
You're close...We didn't just pop up and shoot, we shoot while submerged.

Hi Chief! I know you fired while submerged using ICBMs, I wasn't sure how cruise missiles would be deployed. Can they be fired while submerged?

15 posted on 12/06/2002 12:38:42 PM PST by Kenton
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