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The Supreme Court: Unlocked Doors and Whitey
IntellectualConservative.com ^ | Friday, December 6th | Brian S. Wise

Posted on 12/06/2002 5:57:06 PM PST by Tina Johnson

The Supreme Court will hear three cases that should be of particular interest to conservatives, as the subsequent rulings could put significant weight behind two of the Right’s grander tenets. First, Lawrence v. Texas, in which the Court will determine the validity of anti-sodomy laws in 13 States, concerning the 1998 arrests of John Geddes Lawrence and Tyron Garner, who were caught in Lawrence’s apartment engaging in acts of sodomy. (The two eventually plead no contest and paid $200 fines.)

Now most Right-wingers will read that and wonder, “What conservative tenet does this address, exactly?” None, unless you take seriously Ronald Reagan’s long held wish to get government off of the people’s backs and out of their lives. President Reagan was speaking of the federal government, of course, but taking the extra step to include State and local governments is not only desirable but logical, at which point one must admit getting off of one’s back should include not giving a damn what happens in his bedroom, provided all are adults, all consent and the neighbors aren’t being kept awake. (All right, that last bit is self-serving, but still.)

We are speaking here of laws in 13 States banning sodomy, nine of which are for both sexes (Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia), the other four pertaining strictly to gays (these are Texas, Kansas, Missouri and Oklahoma). How does a municipality go about enforcing said laws, exactly? In the case of Lawrence and Garner, a false report about an armed intruder was made to police, who then walked into the unlocked apartment and proceeded to make a federal case out of it. Literally. If not for an unlocked door, these State laws would probably be allowed to stand. And let’s make no mistake about it, they should all be overturned.

Put aside for a moment the normal arguments regarding whether or not one has a constitutional right to sodomy, or whether or not the integrity of the anti-AIDS crusade can be upheld, and consider just this: Part of having and enjoying autonomy – and in this it is meant the autonomy of human beings, not just American citizens – is being able to make up one’s mind regarding those activities not necessarily typical of his contemporaries. A man or woman of sound mind and majority can choose whether or not to undergo or skip cancer treatments, whether or not they can be kept alive artificially should some horrible trauma befall them, whether or not their organs can be harvested and donated to those in need. To suggest the same adults who are presumably capable of making these decisions cannot decide rationally on the matter of oral and / or anal sex, and must therefore be overseen by law (no matter how generally unenforceable) is ludicrous. It’s an idea that supplants the ability of adults to decide for themselves what happens within their own walls; private walls, after all.

The second and third cases are Gratz v. Bollinger and Grutter v. Bollinger, in which the Court will consider the University of Michigan’s open race-based preference admissions policy. Here two white students were turned away from the University’s undergraduate and law schools respectively in favor of “minority applicants.” The interest to conservatives is obvious: It should be said by the Supreme Court that every man and woman trying to get into college should be considered by the weight of their intellect, not the color of their skin (to adapt Reverend King’s well spoken expression).

It’s fine for one to wish upon the Court the wisdom to make the proper decision (and I do), but how come no one has ever complained about racial preferences on the University’s basketball court and football field? The University of Michigan has for years produced basketball and football teams that have not only contended for Big Ten and national championships, but have won them, as well. At some point the dictum “Whitey Really Isn’t Needed Here, Unless He’s a Quarterback or a Center” came from on high, and not so much as one fit was ever pitched. Weren’t nitwits brought onto campus for the sole purpose of putting the University within shouting distance of one championship or another (Yes; e.g., Chris Webber), and therefore haven’t large bags of cash been dumped on administration desks, one after the other, as a result?

Well sure, that’s because we’re talking about sports, and the standards there have come to be held at different levels for sports teams, especially in large Division 1-A schools like … well … the University of Michigan. So the Right should know, in this matter, even if the Court rules on the side of logic, there will always, always, be race-based preferences on the college campus, some preferences just stated more loudly than others.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Michigan; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: supremecourt
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To: Karsus
That's right. Again, we're talking about the sex lives of adults, which the column clearly states, and who because of that majority can choose for themselves.
61 posted on 12/06/2002 7:20:51 PM PST by Tina Johnson
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To: FreedomCalls
"Conventional (normal, heterosexual) sex between consenting adults in privacy" is prohibited in all states except Nevada if money changes hands.

Exactly. And if this sodomy law is overturned for some reason, conventional sex involving the change of money will still be illegal in 49 states.

62 posted on 12/06/2002 7:21:32 PM PST by meyer
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To: FreedomCalls
If done in private does the prostitution harm anyone else?
63 posted on 12/06/2002 7:23:32 PM PST by Karsus
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To: Karsus
Yes. Police abusing their power is ok just as long as it is for a "good" cause.

Well, I'm glad I don't live in Houston. I sometimes leave the door unlocked, but I always walk around the house armed. The folks that engage in same-sex sodomy probably think I'm weird. :)

64 posted on 12/06/2002 7:24:18 PM PST by meyer
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To: Karsus
Does the prostitution harm anyone else?

That's your call. I just want even-handed laws. Either both sodomy and prostitution should be legalized under some "right to privacy" or they both should be criminalized as a "threat to society." Justice should be blind.

65 posted on 12/06/2002 7:24:22 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: Karsus
If done in private does the prostitution harm anyone else?

I can answer that: No!

66 posted on 12/06/2002 7:25:26 PM PST by meyer
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To: Karsus
Because those who actually think about it realize that the Federal government--which we want small and weak--is not the same as the state governments, or local governments, which have more leeway, being closer to the people.

When I think "big government" I think "Federal government vastly exceeding Constitutional restrictions on its power." I DON'T think "hey, we need to get rid of a bunch of 'archaic' laws promulgated by those 'big government' types back in the 1760s."

67 posted on 12/06/2002 7:26:14 PM PST by Illbay
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To: meyer
Anyone takes a gamble with prostitution, of course, but that's his gamble. My only concern is that someone gets sick and then falls back on the State to cover his medical bills.
68 posted on 12/06/2002 7:26:59 PM PST by Tina Johnson
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To: FreedomCalls
Since you say justice should be blind should sodomy be illegal between husband and wife?
69 posted on 12/06/2002 7:27:04 PM PST by Karsus
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To: meyer
And if this sodomy law is overturned for some reason, conventional sex involving the change of money will still be illegal in 49 states.

If the ruling is based on "the right to privacy" and the exchange of money and the sexual act both take place in private, then the law criminalizing that activity will be vulnerable to being struck down.

70 posted on 12/06/2002 7:28:22 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: Tina Johnson
"My only concern is that someone gets sick and then falls back on the State to cover his medical bills."

I agree 100% with that. Let 'em cover their own gambling debts.
71 posted on 12/06/2002 7:29:14 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: meyer
If done in private does the prostitution harm anyone else?

I can answer that: No!

Then why is it illegal?

72 posted on 12/06/2002 7:29:39 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: Abcdefg
Exactly! At last we agree on something! ha ha :)
73 posted on 12/06/2002 7:30:14 PM PST by Tina Johnson
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To: Illbay
So if a city or state wants to ban the display of the American Flag it would be OK? What if the state wanted to make it illegal to post to FR would that be ok?
74 posted on 12/06/2002 7:30:20 PM PST by Karsus
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To: Tina Johnson
Anyone takes a gamble with prostitution, of course, but that's his gamble. My only concern is that someone gets sick and then falls back on the State to cover his medical bills.

That is just one of the many problems with the government being in the medical business. STD's, smokers, people that don't exercise, alcohol, drugs, people that eat wrong - as long as the government is in the health care business, they have a vested right in all our behavior. That is not good.

Incidentally, there is not a great deal of difference in risk when comparing someone taking a "date" home from the bar for the night and someone buying a hooker for the night. In fact, where prostitution is legal (Nevada), it is a highly regulated "profession" that requires certain medical checkups of all employees. This reduces the medical risk.

75 posted on 12/06/2002 7:31:58 PM PST by meyer
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To: Tina Johnson
And sodomy doesn't have medical consequences?
76 posted on 12/06/2002 7:32:01 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: FreedomCalls
I didn't say that.
77 posted on 12/06/2002 7:33:18 PM PST by Tina Johnson
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To: FreedomCalls
Just because something is illegal does not mean that it should be. If that was true then the gun laws in DC would be ok.
78 posted on 12/06/2002 7:33:25 PM PST by Karsus
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To: FreedomCalls
Yuk!
79 posted on 12/06/2002 7:33:41 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: meyer
I agree. Just wanted to get the point out there.
80 posted on 12/06/2002 7:34:25 PM PST by Tina Johnson
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