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“Nelson Mandela’s Legacy” [Africa Ping]
On the Right Side ^ | George V. Caylor

Posted on 12/08/2002 10:21:39 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March

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To: SteveTuck
I know, because my extended family lives in South Africa. I know, because some members of this family, knew Nelson VERY well. I know, for a fact, that what you write and imply, is not only baselss codswallop, but inflammatory propaganda, and that YOU don't know anything about South Africa, Apartheid, nor Nelson Mandela.
121 posted on 12/08/2002 11:44:58 PM PST by nopardons
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To: SteveTuck
W-R-O-N-G !

Not only did whites and Afrikaners in particular, give ALL people ( white, black, and colords ) an education, it was, even under Apartheid, far superior to that in the USA; except for the best private schools. Afrikaners saw to it that as many nonwhites were educated, as was humanly possible, including University ! It was Mandela's ridiculous incitements, which inflamed certain blacks to burn down schools, and for an entire generation of blacks, to stay out of school. Another thing, which you obviously don't know, besides all balck colleges, blacks were, under Apartheid, to attend white Universities. So put that in your blinkered mind, attempt to digest it, and stop talking nonsense.

You can't possibly equate American blacks, with those who live in Africa. Yes, there really still ARE " savages " there; educated or not.

122 posted on 12/08/2002 11:59:37 PM PST by nopardons
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To: SteveTuck
You haven't a damned clue, boyo; not a one.

In your shoddy replies, you completely forget about the wealthy black ( Mandela's, for one ) and colored families, who utterly shoot your racist theories sky high. LOL

123 posted on 12/09/2002 12:01:58 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
It was Mandela's ridiculous incitements, which inflamed certain blacks to burn down schools, and for an entire generation of blacks, to stay out of school.

Mines and Works Amendment Act (1926): Africans not allowed to hold skilled jobs in the mines

1936: Blacks lost the right to vote

Reservation of Separate Amenities Act (1953): Government required separate amenities for different races

Bantu Education Act (1953): Established segregated education and blacks prevented from receiving education for jobs traditionally reserved for whites

Native Land Act (1913): Identified certain areas as African Reserves; blacks unable to purchase land in white areas (93% of land); blacks unable to live in white-owned areas and work as sharecroppers

Natives Resettlement Act (1954): Government permitted to forcibly remove blacks from land designated for whites (From 1960 to 1980, the government forcibly moved 3.5 million blacks from land designated for whites to reservations

Bantu Homelands Citizenship Act (1970): Defined blacks living throughout South Africa as legal citizens of the homelands designated for their ethnic groups and stripped blacks of South African citizenship and their remaining civil and political rights

Pass laws or “influx control”: Blacks violating law if they are in an urban area for more than seventy-two hours without having obtained special permission

Did you support apartheid?

124 posted on 12/09/2002 1:48:32 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: goldenboy
You are a idiot you have no concept of life in Africa...its not the utopia you leftest think it is...apartheid is a Dutch name meaning apartness...Africans are bush people and have no concept of western culture the only way whites could survive was up until blacks could learn western values it was thought living apart was the best solution

If the white-minority government implemented apartheid to help the blacks, then why did they gradually take away all their political rights and eventually strip them of their citizenship?

If the white-minority government implemented apartheid to help the blacks, then why did they restrict the employment opportunities of the blacks to low-paying jobs in the mines and fields?

If the white-minority government implemented apartheid to help the blacks, then why did they forcibly relocate 3.5 million blacks?

If the white-minority government implemented apartheid to help the blacks, then why did they forcibly 70% of the population to (blacks) 15% of the most barren land?

As for life under Mandela as opposed to PW Botha blacks suffer more today than ever before many would welcome a return to law and order,liberals like you are fleeing the country and those that remain are either being killed or raped

First, I am not a liberal. I almost always vote a straight Republican ticket. Second, you could use your argument to justify a return to communism in Russia. Living conditions for the average Russian have declined since the fall of communism.

As for my "savage" remark maybe you would like to hear about a few things....and this is black on black crime.....at least under apartheid the only blacks that we killed were were communists...as Bush says "enemy combatants"

Violent acts committed by a minority of the black population.
Do you think that blacks are genetically inferior (less intelligent and more violent) to whites?

127 posted on 12/09/2002 8:29:05 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: goldenboy
One more thing...words from the brothers you love so much

Three of the five quotes are not even from ANC leaders.

One last thing I have photos to prove my point ....do you?

I use logic and facts, rather than pictures of violent acts committed by a small number of blacks, to prove my argument.

128 posted on 12/09/2002 8:31:20 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: cmiller623
You guys are trying to debate with a newbie who doesn't justify a response. He obviously has an agenda.

10-4 on has an agenda. I tagged him early on but he just kept coming back. However, I learned about the SA situation from other posters. I was watching the Tiger Woods Challenge while working the thread so didn't invest time in dealing with the newbie.

What a waste and revolting situation that SA is going down the tubes. Such unnecessary suffering and destruction.

129 posted on 12/09/2002 8:41:57 AM PST by toddst
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To: toddst
I tagged him early on but he just kept coming back.

Tagged...right! Anything you say....

130 posted on 12/09/2002 8:45:41 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: goldenboy
In Africa ...YES!

And why not American or European blacks?

132 posted on 12/09/2002 10:34:42 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: goldenboy
American blacks speak english and in most cases don't buy into the power of witchdoctors

Speaking English and believing in witch doctors are not genetic traits.

Unless you have discovered a language or religious gene...

134 posted on 12/09/2002 11:00:58 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: goldenboy
Care to try again?

Do you think that blacks are genetically inferior (less intelligent and more violent) to whites?

135 posted on 12/09/2002 11:05:24 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: SteveTuck
"Simple question -- Did you oppose apartheid?"

Sounds like you don't really know what "apartheid" is.

136 posted on 12/09/2002 11:08:39 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver
Sounds like you don't really know what "apartheid" is.

I have a very good understanding of apartheid. Try reading some of my posts.

138 posted on 12/09/2002 11:22:57 AM PST by SteveTuck
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To: goldenboy
Do you think that blacks are genetically inferior (less intelligent and more violent) to whites?

Bad news for you, since you are black.

139 posted on 12/09/2002 11:23:56 AM PST by SteveTuck
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