Whitehouse Christmas Card

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[lonestar]

You're correct that my state senator is a Christian. So is my state representative. They are both ordained Southern Baptist ministers.

They are also a good friends with and big supporters of President George W. Bush.

Could it be that they know the man who is President and didn't judge him by a Christmas card?

[Coleus]

Could it be that they know the man who is President and didn't judge him by a Christmas card?>>>

I did not judge him by his Christmas Card, I just stated that it was an ugly picture and tried to defend NY Catholic of the rude and capricious comments made by PROTESTants making it more than what it was. All she said is that the word Christmas was not included, which is true, FDR wasn't afraid of the word I guess Bush was.

I judged BUSH by his actions and inactions in regard to his pro abortion stance. He stated that Jesus was his main philosopher and he was pro life at the convention. So, what does he do? He orders existing stem cells to be experimented and approves 5 pro-abortion judges in NJ to the federal bench. Take off your blinders and wake up. No real Christian votes for abortion. No real Christian lies to the American public.

[Coleus]

New US Senate President, Bill Frist (R.-Tenn.), a Major Shareholder in Reputed For-Profit Abortion Provider

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/articles/12-23-02/jeffrey.htm

and supports stem-cell research, read last paragraph:

http://frist.senate.gov/testbed/press-item.cfm/hurl/id=183224

and

Senator Frist, R-TN championed confirmation
of pro-abortion Satcher,

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30100

Bush isn't really pro life.

President Bush Appoints 5 Pro-Abortion Judges to the Federal Bench in NJ.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/794020/posts

Bush Funds Abortion Overseas
http://www.covenantnews.com/bortvote.htm#link

The Bush Family Secret
http://www.all.org/news/bushad2.pdf
A Catholic Response to Bush's Stem Cell Decision
http://www.all.org/abac/rf001.htm
http://www.all.org/issues/broken.htm
Do We Have A Pro-Life President?
http://www.all.org/celebrate_life/cl0107d.htm
http://www.house.gov/burton/RSC/word/Akin.PDF
http://www.all.org/stopp/rr0210.htm
other
http://www.all.org/stopp/rr0103.htm
http://www.all.org/stopp/rr0205.pdf
http://www.all.org/issues/scanalyz.htm

Bush funds 'Faith-Based Condom Religion'
Bush OK's NY Medicaid Plan For Contraceptives
http://www.all.org/stopp/st021004.htm

Bush Advances Legacy Of Bad Decisions,
Broken Promises And Dead Babies
http://www.all.org/news/020709.htm

Bush's gay-friendly judicial nominees...
Log Cabin Republicans Ease Intolerance
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=14141

[Betteboop]

Hey, lighten up--I'd have been thrilled to get a card from the Bushes!!! I wouldn't care what was on the cover--I know where they are coming from and that's what matters.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

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[lonestar]

I think you would do well to check out the investments of the Catholic Church. You might be surprised.

Does it make sense that Senator Ted Kennedy is a good Catholic?

I know George W. Bush is pro-life. I also understand what he means when he says "hearts" must change before laws will be changed.

What I don't understand is Catholics who ignore the hypocrisy within the church and don't spend more of their time on protecting the children who have been born from pedophiles. I don't understand "men of God" who protect pedophiles rather than protecting children from pedophiles. Your Church doesn't obey the law regarding child abuse and you're on a crusade to change another law? Why should I think any law is important to you or your church? Why are unborn children more important to you than living children who are abused by priests and protected by the bishops and cardinals in your church?

You have a double standard.

[Coleus]

I know George W. Bush is pro-life.>>>>

Obviously, you did not follow his record or read the links I posted. He is not pro life.

I'm not a priest and have no say in what goes on, the church is a Monarchy starting with the Pope and trickles down to his bishops. And this issue is a criminal issue and should be handled by the prosecutor's office. Obviously you have no argument for what I said about Bush's pro abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-stem cell, record. And yes, the Protestant Church MUST do something with what they do with the children.


"CHURCH EVANGELIZERS PREYED ON LOW-INCOME KIDS.

Men from a rural Baptist church known for its aggressive evangelizing of children are suspected of molesting as many as 22 boys & girls. The associate pastor, volunteer bus driver & a third church member are believed to have fondled some & raped others, ranging in age from 3 to 10, on church buses & property. Charges involving 10 victims were brought against Associate Pastor Timothy Lee Leonard, 32, of North Sharon Baptist Church near Grass Lake, & volunteer Sunday school bus driver, church deacon Mark Foeller. Three other church members are being investigated. The suspects went to low-income housing projects or trailer parks in 4 counties, telling parents they would "take the children to church & teach them about God", according to Det. Robert Fitzpatrick, Jackson Co. Men would walk up to children in their yards, coaxing them with treats to come to weekend services or summer Bible school. Leonard was relieved of church duties involving children in August, after police started investigating him when a doctor reported suspected abuse in a child with a sexual disease. He also worked as instructor & gym teacher in the North Sharon Christian School, enrolling about 65 students. "
We have to keep our kids _safe_ from Baptist pedophiles!
Buzz Kelly

* BRONSON MINISTER ARRAIGNED.

First Congregational Church minister David Covert Moore was charged with 5 counts of criminal sexual conduct of 4 children under the age of 15. In July he checked himself into Pine Rest Christian Counseling Services in Grand Rapids. Source: Jackson Citizen Patriot 8/29/92.
* AIR FORCE CHAPLAIN RAIDED. Deputies raided the home of Veterans Administration chaplain Rev. Donald G. Phillips, of Butler County, seizing 500 video tapes, movie equipment and restraints following a tip that he produced pornographic movies with young girls. The Baptist minister recently received the highest recognition awarded a VA chaplain, "the Award for Excellence in Chaplain Service". Source:
St. Louis Post-Dispatch 2/19/92.

* BAPTIST VOLUNTEER CONVICTED.

Granite State Baptist Church volunteer David Kirsch, 39, of Salem, was convicted of sexually assaulting 6 young girls through the church from the late 1970s to the mid-1980s.
Source: USA Today 9/25/92.

* MINISTER & GIRLFRIEND INDICTED.

Trenton pastor Franklin Tucker, 37, Final Call Ministry, was indicted for molesting his girlfriend's daughters, 9 & 15. His girlfriend was indicted for forcing her daughters to recant the allegations to police. The abuse came to light when the 9-year-old told a school official, who contacted police. Source: Trenton Times 9/15/92.

* CIVIL SUIT: 11-YEAR-OLD MOLESTED.

A family in Dare County, North Carouna is suing Methodist minister Carl M. Eller for abusing their daughter, 11, as well as the North Carolina Conference of the United Methodist Church, a bishop and a reverend for knowing of his history of sexual misconduct but doing nothing about it. The family says she was molested when her father, a carpenter, was installing cabinets in the parsonage. Eller pleaded no contest to a charge of criminal assault on a female. However, the family said that in 1987 Eller had molested or made lewd comments to 4 women at his church, and forcibly kissed and touched 2 girls age 13. Three women had lodged formal complaints with the church, but the only action was to transfer him from Aurora to Hamlet. Source: News & Observer 1/15/92.

* BAPTIST PASTOR RESIGNS AMID SCANDAL.

Asheville Baptist pastor Michael R. Stewart, 34, of Oakley, resigned following his arrest in a prostitution sting. Stewart's name was among 400 on a full-page ad that month promoting family & traditional biblical values. Source:
Citizen-Times 6/30/92.

* CHURCH SUED FOR NEGLIGENCE.

One of several girls who said Alva minister Rev. Robert Bruce Brigden molested her is suing the First Presbyterian Church for failing to check his background before hiring him. Allegations of sexual crimes were made at his former position in Kansas. Charges allege that he molested Alva church girls, ages 4 to 14. The church posted his bond. Source: _Tulsa Tribune

* PRESBYTERIAN MINISTER GETS 40 YEARS.

Rev. Robert Bruce Brigden was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting young girls in his congregation, convicted on 8 counts of lewd molestation & 1 count of rape by instrumentation involving a girl, 7. Bridgen, 57, was accused of molesting 11 girls, aged 4 to 14, during the 4 years he was at the Alva church. His congregation put the church up as bond, insisting he was innocent. He was placed in protected custody. Brigden blamed his arrest on a girl, 4, whose parents were the first to take the children's allegations seriously. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned," Brigden wrote his wife about the 4-year-old, whom he described as "4 going on 400 years old", saying she invited him to spend the night in her bed, & was mad that he declined. Source: Tulsa Tribune 8/92, Tulsa World 9/3/92, _Daily Oklahoman_ 6/14/92.

* CHURCH VOLUNTEER CHARGED WITH CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

Church volunteer Seven Jon Long, 41, was arrested for sodomy and taking pornographic pictures of young girls under 12 from Assembly of God Church in Rogue River, where he was a youth volunteer. He told detectives his pictures were art. Source: Daily Courier, Grants Pass, 4/17/92.

* CONVICTED PASTOR "RIGHT WITH LORD".

Rev. Virgil Carpenter, 48, pastor of Bible Missionary Church in Ontario, was convicted of sodomy & sexual abuse of a girl, 9, over a 1-1/2 year period. A jury convicted Carpenter of 2 felony counts of sodomy & 4 felony counts of sexual abuse. He faces 5 additional felony charges in 2 upcoming trials. "I'm really not worried," he told supporters who had gathered in the courtroom before the verdict. "I'm right with the Lord." Source: Corvallis Gazette-Times 10/11/92.

Why weren't these stories given national press coverage? Why is there a coverup of Christian pedophile ministers' crimes against America's children???
Buzz Kelly

[lonestar]

Obviously, you did not follow his record or read the links I posted.

You got that right!

Charges involving 10 victims were brought against Associate Pastor...

First Congregational Church minister David Covert Moore was charged with 5 counts of criminal sexual conduct of 4 children under the age of 15.

Deputies raided the home of Veterans Administration chaplain Rev. Donald G. Phillips...

Granite State Baptist Church volunteer David Kirsch, 39, of Salem, was convicted of sexually assaulting 6 young girls...

Trenton pastor Franklin Tucker... was indicted for molesting...

Asheville Baptist pastor Michael R. Stewart, 34, of Oakley, resigned following his arrest

Rev. Robert Bruce Brigden was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting young girls...

Church volunteer Seven Jon Long, 41, was arrested for sodomy and taking pornographic pictures of young girls under 12...

Rev. Virgil Carpenter, 48, pastor of Bible Missionary Church in Ontario, was convicted of sodomy & sexual abuse of a girl, 9...

And yes, the Protestant Church MUST do something with what they do with the children.

Does this really indicate to you that the Protestant pedophiles got away with their evil deeds, a la the pedophile priests? -- while the Monarchy slept!

You are truly a narrow-minded, ignorant person.

[Coleus]

Obviously, you did not follow his record or read the links I posted.

You got that right!>>>>>

Yes the truth does hurt.

[lonestar]

Yes the truth does hurt.

You don't know fact from fiction! That's what's so laughable about you.

Have you noticed, you have the unique ability, due to your narrow-mindedness and self-righteousness, to offend people who basically agree with you?

You remind me of the Democrats who believe only what they want to believe without regard to any facts, just that somebody "said it."

You don't think. You regurgitate what you've found to prove what you already think; truth is not what you seek.

[lonestar]

No real Christian lies to the American public.

No real Christian acts like you!

You also wrongly assume that I'm a "PROTESTant."

You might be a "good Catholic" but you fall short of being "real Christian."

Saint, you ain't!