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IN DEFENSE OF TRENT LOTT: Seriously!
Shawn Mercer

Posted on 12/11/2002 8:17:36 PM PST by winin2000

The crux of the onslaught against Trent Lott would seem to be, "How can you argue the U.S. would have been better off electing a segregationist?" Well, it only makes sense to examine that question in the context of both history and, more to the point, what his opponent had to offer.

It is easy to lose sight of just how far the pendulum has swung on what is deemed respectable opinion on matters of race. Not too many years ago, the political spectrum in toto was, by today's standards shockingly "racist." And elected officials, who are now idols of the left, were no exceptions. And I'm not simply talking about the abundant Southern Democrats who were segregationists; there's much more.

Woodrow Wilson, for example, was a dogmatic, practicing white supremacist, enforcing segregated office during his tenure as president of Princeton University and while in the White House. An often forgotten gem of his on the subject of immigration:

“I stand for the national policy of exclusion. . . . We cannot make a homogeneous population of a people who do not blend with the Caucasian race. . . . Oriental coolieism will give us another race problem to solve and surely we have had our lesson.”

I must have missed the news account of Rainbow/Push's protest march in front of Wilson's Presidential Library and think tank.

Too far back you say? Okay, fast forward a few years. Who could possibly have said something as repugnant as:

Californians have properly objected (to Japanese immigration) on the sound basic ground ... that the mingling of Asiatic blood with European or American blood produces, in nine cases out of ten, the most unfortunate results."

Nobody important. Only FDR.

Still not recent enough to the period in question? Okay, let's deal with the gentleman whom Senator, then Governor, Thurmond waged his rebellious campaign against in the first place. The man who is hailed as a visionary for his breaking down the color wall in the military. So happens Mr. Harry Truman wrote in private correspondence:

“I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, yellow men in Asia and white men in Europe and America.”

And for good measure, he wrote to his daughter that the White House kitchen staff was an "army of coons."

And lest you retort that these examples are not analagous, consider again the specific complaint against Lott. Although none of the Democrat vultures pecking at his carcass will make the straightforward accusation that he is a racist, they wax indignant about the propreity of having in high leadership someone who arguably thinks - who THINKS - America would have been better off under a President Thurmond. Some thoughts, however latent, are just too ugly to tolerate; whether they manifest themselves or not.

Now, that being the case, how can you seriously argue that these examples of rank, personal racism among liberal icons is irrelevant because they were sound on matters of policy. Truman's candid contempt for blacks is fine and dandy because, see, he got the ball rolling on integration. Yet Lott, whom no one can credibly accuse of attempting a recission of any of the substantive "civil rights" laws, is unfit to serve because he might have some deep-seated respect for the segregated society in which he was brought up.

Well, sorry folks, I ain't biting. The opportunism displayed on this forum these past few days is contemptible. From absolutist righties nursing impeachment grudges to self-righteous Yankees who see the Southern GOP base as some kind of albatross politically, most, if not all, calling for Lott's head have ulterior motives. I don't once recall seeing on Free Republic this kind of vitriol on the question of race and the Old South directed at Jesse Helms. And put your whitewash away, my friends; I love the man dearly, too. But the man who was elected to the Senate as commentator on a North Carolina newscast regularly attacking the civil rights revolution never formally repudiated his views on race. He simply stopped talking about it.

Why is Helms fit for Rushmore, yet Lott's sin is unforgivable?

Well, I for one will not let mortal fear of what kind of campaign ad will be run against us two years hence drive me to throw an innocent man to the wolves, giving craven idiots like Al Gore and professional anti-white demagogues like the Black Caucus yet another Republican scalp to hang on their wall.

I hope I've convinced a few folks to join me.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: lott; thurmond; truman
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1 posted on 12/11/2002 8:17:38 PM PST by winin2000
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To: KQQL; Torie; ambrose; jwalsh07; BlackRazor; rdb3; GraniteStateConservative; goldstategop; ...
ping
2 posted on 12/11/2002 8:23:39 PM PST by winin2000
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To: winin2000
President Thurmond bump???

I don't think so.

Lott is ineffective.

That's fatal.
3 posted on 12/11/2002 8:28:19 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: winin2000
I was already with you. Tempest in a teapot.
4 posted on 12/11/2002 8:29:02 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: winin2000
Just once, I'd like to see a politician call a press conference and say, "Get bent, I meant every word of it. If you don't like it, I don't care. See you at the next election."

As long as I'm dreaming, I hope Claudia Schiffer swings by my house on her way home.

5 posted on 12/11/2002 8:29:58 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: winin2000
< sigh > Ok, ok. I guess you're right. I'd rather protect Lott than give the CBC fresh meat.

But I still don't like what he did during impeachment.

6 posted on 12/11/2002 8:31:03 PM PST by reformed_democrat
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To: winin2000
youve got me. i could care less what lott said, i dont like him as majority leader, but he shouldnt lose his post because of this. and THIS was nothing more than an OPINION. opinions and free speech are no longer free when they come from republicans. if i had a dollar for every time ive heard sen byrd using the white n-----s comment in my head since lott's quote, id be on a plane to the bahamas, not here typing away. what is lott's voting record? FAR from "right wing" or racist. to the contrary, lott has often frustrated conservatives, including this one, with his soft voting record. the liberals would dismiss good words from a conservative as just words, and then theyd be the first to say its actions, not words that matter!! AMEN!!!...... let us not forget, to vilify lott for his remarks is to join, in lockstep, the likes of john kerry-heinz, algore, tom daschole, et al.
7 posted on 12/11/2002 8:31:55 PM PST by nocommies
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To: winin2000
Fine. "Everyone else does it" was a piss-poor defense for Clinton, but he made it work because he had a friendly press.

If Republicans try it, we look like insincere, smarmy jerks.

8 posted on 12/11/2002 8:32:05 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: reformed_democrat
i hate what he did during impeachment, he shouldve resigned over that, not this. at least that was something he did in senate business, not at the birthday party, off the record, for a 100 year old man.
9 posted on 12/11/2002 8:33:40 PM PST by nocommies
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
"Get bent, I meant every word of it. If you don't like it, I don't care. See you at the next election."

Ain't that the awful truth. I would also like to hear one say that "in 1948 we had segregation and blacks were the poorest people in the country and in 2002 after spending 6 trillion dollars we still have segregation and blacks are the poorest people in the country....why?"

10 posted on 12/11/2002 8:34:01 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
youve got that right. id like someone to stand up and say, "to hell with you if you dont like it. i meant it then, and ill say it again now for those of you who havent heard it yet!" and dont wait for claudia schiffer tonight, shes over here with me, fetching me a cold beer.
11 posted on 12/11/2002 8:35:28 PM PST by nocommies
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To: winin2000
We should get rid of Jesse Helms, too. Is there anyone else you can think of? Purging our party of distasteful elements will only make us stronger.
12 posted on 12/11/2002 8:35:45 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: winin2000
Interesting....but my concern is long term.
The goal is to retain the Presidency and gain more senate seats.

This issue needs to have the legs cut out from under it.
The best way to do this is, Lott doesn't step down as Majority Leader, he just doesn't get elected to it in the next session.
The Re-election is less than 2 years away and the Rats do not need to be given a rallying point and they WILL try to connect the dots from Lott to President Bush.

So, in the immortal words of Barny Fife..."Nip it in the bud".
13 posted on 12/11/2002 8:37:06 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: winin2000
I'd wager that for every person offended by Lott's supposed "racist" comment there's another one offended by the way conservatives run for the hills like scared rabbits when the game of racial gotcha begins - makes them all look like they have guilty consciences.....
14 posted on 12/11/2002 8:37:09 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: winin2000
Well said and as you can tell most of the "Hang him Quick" crowd are silent.
After the smoke clears however, we do need an actual "Leader" in the Senate majority position.
15 posted on 12/11/2002 8:38:41 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: Texasforever
so true, i saw the "congressional black caucus" this afternoon, with their all stars, maxine waters, et al. its time CERTAIN, NOT ALL, BUT CERTAIN, of those of color quit their damned whining. after all, if they are so oppressed, please, oh please, show me the CONGRESSIONAL WHITE CAUCUS. it goes back to the old question... if it's so bad here in america, why dont you go somewhere else, where you'll be better off?
16 posted on 12/11/2002 8:39:15 PM PST by nocommies
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To: xm177e2
we'll have nobody left. Loom at Arkansas where it was a sin for a Republican to get a divorce but nobody there had a problem with Clinton who screwed half the state
17 posted on 12/11/2002 8:39:19 PM PST by arielb
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To: xm177e2
are you being sarcastic?
18 posted on 12/11/2002 8:40:31 PM PST by nocommies
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To: Texasforever
The biggest reason this has been blown out of proportion is because of Lott's unpopularity and the fact that he is an easy target.

The Rats are LOOKING for something anything that they can criticize us on. You didn't think they were going to roll over after that horrid election they had did you?

You could probably find any compliment made to Strom Thurmond during that birthday celebration, and call the person that made it a racist, and people would fall for it.

Lott just happens to be an easy target. Suppose Lott had said....

"Strom Thurmond has been a patriot all his life"

Would he be facing the same criticism he is facing today? Probably not, but the goal of the statement was to honor Thurmond, not to promote policies of the past.
19 posted on 12/11/2002 8:40:44 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: arielb
thats fairly true, but dont forget, they did vote against gore in 2000. kind of refuted clinton's chasing tails, er, i mean coattails!!
20 posted on 12/11/2002 8:41:52 PM PST by nocommies
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To: stylin19a

A little late for that to happen isn't it?

21 posted on 12/11/2002 8:42:32 PM PST by deport
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To: siebold
ah, so youre a gore voter?
23 posted on 12/11/2002 8:44:04 PM PST by nocommies
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To: Intolerant in NJ
I agree with you. I wish just once Republicans would stand firm instead of running under the beds for cover.
24 posted on 12/11/2002 8:44:38 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: winin2000
Lott is a drag on us nationally. He has been for a long time. Even arguing the merits of his case at this point is reinforcing failure. We must seize the opportunity to remove him from the Senate leadership now. This is not about "fairness" to Lott. What happens to him is irrelevant. Think about who would be President now if Gore had called on Clinton to step down instead of extolling his "greatness" at the time of impeachment. We can no longer carry these coon-ass bigots on our backs. They belong in the dustbin of history, not our future.
25 posted on 12/11/2002 8:44:46 PM PST by GRANGER
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To: Intolerant in NJ
I'd wager that for every person offended by Lott's supposed "racist" comment there's another one offended by the way conservatives run for the hills like scared rabbits when the game of racial gotcha begins - makes them all look like they have guilty consciences.....

Excellent observation. And I would want in on that side of the action.

26 posted on 12/11/2002 8:46:22 PM PST by winin2000
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To: winin2000
No. Read Ohioan's post # 44 here. Lott's remark, viewed from a historical perspective, is not the same as Hitlery's chilling casual, banal antisemitism!
27 posted on 12/11/2002 8:47:01 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: winin2000
I just think it is time too get the old school southern people out of the leadership. Most of all when their weak kneed. Unless Moconnel whants the job. We need some new blood in their too fight for our side, not cave in.
28 posted on 12/11/2002 8:47:55 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
You know what, I agree! Do the letters FO mean anything to them??? :)
29 posted on 12/11/2002 8:48:14 PM PST by GOP_Raider
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To: Brimack34
I don't think we should generalize old school southern people, LOL!
Old school southerner's are some of the best patriots in the country!
32 posted on 12/11/2002 8:51:30 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: winin2000
REPUBLICAN SENATE MAJORITY LEADER:
RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IS OK
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Has Party Backing

I hope everybody likes that soundbite. Because we can "explain" till we're blue in the face, but if we keep defending Lott, we're gonna be hearing it for a lonnnnnnnnnng time.

I say it's not worth losing the whole Republican agenda over him, no matter what other high-minded motives we might have.

Lott expresses regret for remarks; court filing from 1981 surfaces

IMHO, SD

33 posted on 12/11/2002 8:55:10 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: nocommies
yes but Gore didn't have any family/moral issues. If Bush winked at a cute girl and Gore was Barney Frank's lover...Arkansans would've punished Bush handing Gore the victory!
34 posted on 12/11/2002 8:55:44 PM PST by arielb
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To: Latina_Abogada
Uh...that's not how you wrote it...and that's kind of how the Vacant Lott got his toupee into the trouble he did.
35 posted on 12/11/2002 8:55:49 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Latina_Abogada
its the "Amen" thats big and fat . . . not the Latina!

LOL. thanks I needed that, it's been a rough couple of days. Still lol.

36 posted on 12/11/2002 8:56:30 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: winin2000
Defending racial wrongs of the past.

Interesting strategy.

You are kidding, right?
37 posted on 12/11/2002 8:56:55 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: Latina_Abogada
LMAO, too funny! i agree with you completely! as an attorney, im sure you have to take your words literally and carefully, no?
38 posted on 12/11/2002 8:57:13 PM PST by nocommies
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To: SerpentDove
how about this:

GINGRINCH WILL POISON THE KIDS AND FORCE SENIORS TO DIE ON THE STREETS!


39 posted on 12/11/2002 8:57:40 PM PST by arielb
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To: SerpentDove
He's assuming (and we know what happens when we ASS-U-ME) that the press will give Lott a fair shake relative to liberals.
40 posted on 12/11/2002 8:58:45 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: siebold
Are all Republicans that dumb to compare what was said back in the 40's (and older) with comments today?

You couldn't have missed my point more completely if you tried. And I strongly suspect you felt yourself cornered, and were, in fact, trying.

Lott's supposed transgression was honoring the Strom Thurmond of 1948!!

Now, if "racism" is so dreadful, so corrosive, so unforgiveable sin, so much so that being a racist not only makes you unfit to serve today, but also makes it unconscionable to even praise politicians of the past who were clearly racist, why should Wilson, FDR, or Truman be anything but denounced and repudiated?

I have had it with bullshit sancimony on this subject. We lived, we learned, it's over! Try again, nimrod!

41 posted on 12/11/2002 8:58:50 PM PST by winin2000
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To: deport
Whoa..am I confused ? doesn't the new session require a new vote for the the position? Lott got elected Majority leader of the lame-duck senate. Does that carry over ? I'm sorry I spoke out my A$$.
42 posted on 12/11/2002 8:59:23 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: arielb
Bump Arielb. As O'Reilly pointed out earlier...the American people are smart enough to see through the Democrats lies. I'm not worried about it.

If we worry about it too much, we will turn into the PC police....oooh can't say that someone might get offended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
43 posted on 12/11/2002 9:01:04 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: arielb
Yeah, they used that one to great effect.

And just think, Lott actually DID say that racial discrimination was okay!

That's great P.R. for us, isn't it!
44 posted on 12/11/2002 9:01:19 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: winin2000
>>Now, if "racism" is so dreadful, so corrosive, so unforgiveable sin, so much so that being a racist not only makes you unfit to serve today, but also makes it unconscionable to even praise politicians of the past who were clearly racist, why should Wilson, FDR, or Truman be anything but denounced and repudiated?<< LET'S RUN ON THE RACIST PLATFORM!!,p>Woo-hoo!

Brilliant plan.

45 posted on 12/11/2002 9:03:41 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: SerpentDove
Lott never mentioned race in his statements about Strom Thurmond.
As I said earlier you could take any compliment given to Strom at that birthday celebration and pass the person off who made it as racist! Simply because Strom used to support segregation!
Lott just happens to be an easy target! We are doing exactly what the Dims want us to do, and that is SPLIT over an issue. Which could lead to more splits.
46 posted on 12/11/2002 9:07:54 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: winin2000
Here is the problem. You don't reward people for failure. Trent Lott failed the first time around as Senate leader. If the Republicans had not allowed him to reassume his leadership position (at least without a fight), I think conservatives like myself would be much more inclined to defend him against the rat pack attack. Cutting a deal with Daschle before the election was the last straw. Too many commentators are confusing the issue. Its not Trent Lott (stupid remarks) we oppose, its Trent Lott (failed leadership) we oppose.
47 posted on 12/11/2002 9:10:31 PM PST by Russell Scott
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To: SerpentDove
LET'S RUN ON THE RACIST PLATFORM!!

We're thinking on two entirely different planes my friend. You're still mired in pure PR and politics; and I normally bust the Buchananites' and other absolutists' chops pretty frequently on those grounds.

But most everyone's got a "no compromise" sore spot. Racial McCarthyism taken to these absurd and vicious extremes is mine.

48 posted on 12/11/2002 9:11:48 PM PST by winin2000
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To: winin2000
You're not going to find many defenders of Lott here. The man is an ineffective leader. Not to mention his role in hijacking the trial of Clinton in the Senate impeachment.
49 posted on 12/11/2002 9:14:36 PM PST by LiberalBuster
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To: stylin19a
SENATE, HOUSE REPUBLICANS ELECT LEADERS FOR 108th CONGRESS
Senate and House Republicans approved their slate of leaders for the 108th Congress on November 13. The 108th Congress will convene on January 7, 2003.

Senate Republicans

Majority (Republican) LeaderTrent Lott (MS)

Assistant Majority (Republican) Leader — Mitch McConnell (KY)

Senate Republican Conference Chair — Rick Santorum (PA)

Senate Republican Conference Vice Chair — Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX)

Senate Republican Policy Committee Chair — Jon Kyl (AZ)

National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair — George Allen (VA)

50 posted on 12/11/2002 9:14:49 PM PST by deport
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