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Teacher banned from saying the word "Christmas"
worldnetdaily ^ | Dec 13, 2002 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 12/13/2002 8:41:00 AM PST by patriot5186

At a time when Americans of many faiths – and even no faith – gear up to celebrate Christmas this year, a first-grade teacher in Sacramento Co., Calif., says she's been ordered by her principal not to utter the word "Christmas" at school.

The 24-year education veteran, who wishes to keep her name and the school anonymous at this time, claims she and two fellow instructors were told that use of the word "Christmas" in the classroom or in written materials was now prohibited.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
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1 posted on 12/13/2002 8:41:00 AM PST by patriot5186
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To: patriot5186
This is vile.
This is America.

This is why the bombs are coming.

This is why the bombs are coming.

3 posted on 12/13/2002 8:48:15 AM PST by Taiwan Bocks
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To: patriot5186
There is only one response to this - do what ever it takes to get your children out of the public school system and the culture of death. It's important!
4 posted on 12/13/2002 8:50:48 AM PST by Search4Truth
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To: patriot5186
We are not having class on December 25th because it's, what?

Beginning of Kwanzaa Eve Day?
5 posted on 12/13/2002 8:53:29 AM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: patriot5186
Here's a Christmas Greeting for these idiot school officials.
6 posted on 12/13/2002 8:55:14 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: patriot5186
She'd better not say "Hanukka" or "Ramadan", either, then.
8 posted on 12/13/2002 8:59:47 AM PST by expatpat
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To: patriot5186
Can they say
Ramadan?
Channukah?
Kwanzaa?

This is a discrimination case pure and simple. Paging Thomas More Law!

Also, the school district is wrong. Christmas was approved as a secular holiday. They have no right to limit the teacher's use of free speech.
9 posted on 12/13/2002 9:04:17 AM PST by Salvation
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To: patriot5186
When I see stories like this, I'm thankful to be living in Arizona. Last night I went to my daughter's CHRISTMAS Holiday Concert at her PUBLIC high school. The orchestra, band and choirs did these songs and they were absolutely WONDERFUL:

Silent Night

Hark the Herald Angels Sing

Jesus, Joy of Man's Desiring

Joy to the World

A tear-inducing acapella song called "Song of Mary"

The First Noel

One Jewish song and secular favorites: Sleigh Ride, Jingle Bells, Deck the Halls, others

Grand Finale:

The Halleujah Chorus from The Messiah. The orchestra, band the main chorus plus alumni singers from the chorus were packed on the stage--there had to be 200+ kids singing and playing their hearts out. All the parents stood during the finale (traditional show of respect), and a lot of us had tears in our eyes.

Take THAT, ACLU!!!!

10 posted on 12/13/2002 9:04:35 AM PST by RooRoobird14
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To: patriot5186
This isn't even "diversity," or "respect for the religion of others." At best, this is cowardice on the part of the principal; at worst, it is outright hatred of Christianity.
11 posted on 12/13/2002 9:05:12 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: RooRoobird14
You're fortunate to live in Arizona. Here in California, we might as well rename our state "Mordor," because there is nothing but darkness.
12 posted on 12/13/2002 9:06:22 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: SwinneySwitch
We are not having class on December 25th because it's, what?

I would love to see them begin a campaign to try and force all the kids to go to school on Dec. 25th.

13 posted on 12/13/2002 9:14:02 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: My2Cents
You're fortunate to live in Arizona. Here in California, we might as well rename our state "Mordor," because there is nothing but darkness.

The evil of Mordor, land of Sauron, lies to the East. It can be found sandwiched between the realms of Maryland and Virginia.

When you speak of California, you speak of Isengard and Orthanc to the West, the land of the Saruman and his evil orc and Uruk-hai hordes.

I live in Arizona where you may find the Riddermark (Riders of the Mark/Riders of Rohan) and Edoras.

Your sentiment is correct, but you need to get your geography straight.

14 posted on 12/13/2002 9:15:06 AM PST by Spiff
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To: patriot5186
I have four words: Private/parochial/home school.
15 posted on 12/13/2002 9:15:19 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: My2Cents
I have a friend who just moved back to TX from CA. She lived in San Jose and her biggest complaint was the hours she and her husband had to spend sorting their trash. She sarcastically called it, "a religious experience".
16 posted on 12/13/2002 9:18:38 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: patriot5186
I spoke with a representative in the communications department of the district. They know nothing about it, but the head of the department is supposed to be returning my call after a meeting. We are not going to let them get away with this. What an opportunity for a FReep! Maybe a radio station in the area would like to get involved.
17 posted on 12/13/2002 9:19:50 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: ProudAmerican1974
Once again minority rules over the majority.

Both can be evil, which is worse?

18 posted on 12/13/2002 9:20:39 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: RooRoobird14
Whuh-Oh! You mean somewhere someone has not gotten the message the Christmas is now just another holiday?
19 posted on 12/13/2002 9:21:25 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: VRWCmember
From the same movie...Here's my suggestion for a Christmas greeting for the principal.
20 posted on 12/13/2002 9:21:37 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: patriot5186
Rest assured the little kiddies will be getting lessons on how to celebrate Kwanzaa though..
21 posted on 12/13/2002 9:21:55 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: expatpat
Oh, no, no.

In the NYC public school system, they specifically provided areas for muslim kids to have their own Ramadan observances.

I'm not making it up....

22 posted on 12/13/2002 9:22:22 AM PST by gaijin
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To: patriot5186
1380 AM KTKZ in Sacramento did a story on this today. This nonsense is not going to stand.
23 posted on 12/13/2002 9:27:19 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: Spiff
Well-put. May Isengard (Sacramento) be overthrown by the ancient army of Fangorn. Where is Mithrandir!?
24 posted on 12/13/2002 9:27:29 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: Spiff
The evil of Mordor, land of Sauron, lies to the East. It can be found sandwiched between the realms of Maryland and Virginia.

Exactly. And who does the bidding of Sauron? The 9 Dark Riders. The 9 Nazgül. Now whom do you suppose they could be? All 9 in their dark flowing robes. Dispensing "Justice".

25 posted on 12/13/2002 9:28:16 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: patriot5186
Here in The Peoples Republik of Illinois, we couldn't have a Christmas Tree at our local high school. We now have a 'Holiday Bush'. I saw our 'Holiday Bush' the other day and it bears a remarkable resemblence to a CHRISTMAS TREE!
26 posted on 12/13/2002 9:28:58 AM PST by teletech
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To: VRWCmember; Bloody Sam Roberts
I am dying laughing. Love that movie!!! PLEASE tell me how to save those files to my computer so I can send them on. Thanks a million.
27 posted on 12/13/2002 9:30:38 AM PST by PLK
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To: doug from upland
You should call KTKZ-1380, conservative talk radio in Sacramento. Eric Hogue would be the guy to talk with (morning guy, and program manager). Mark Williams, the evening talkshow guy at KFBK-1530, would be a good one too (good conservative). Actually, the #1 talkshow host in Sacramento, Tom Sullivan on KFBK (he's subbed before for Rush) would be sympathetic to some calls of protest.
28 posted on 12/13/2002 9:32:26 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: patriot5186
District sued over Islam studies Students pretend to be Muslims, pray to Allah in classroom simulations

Posted: July 2, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Diana Lynne
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

While the whole country debates a controversial court ruling declaring "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional, a federal lawsuit filed in another California court last week seeks to stop a public school from having its seventh-graders pray to Allah.

On behalf of parents and four children, the Thomas More Law Center filed suit against the Byron Union School District and various school officials to stop the use of the "Islam simulation" materials used in the Excelsior Elementary School in Byron, Calif.

As WorldNetDaily reported in January, the public school students at Excelsior pretend to be Muslims, wear robes, simulate jihads via a dice game, learn the Five Pillars of Faith and memorize verses from the Koran in classroom exercises as part of a World History and Geography class that's being taught to seventh-graders all over the state. The class is included in the state's curriculum standards required by the state board of education. These standards outline what subjects should be taught and will be included in state assessment tests, but don't mandate how they're to be taught.

The Islam simulations at Excelsior are outlined in the state-adopted textbook "Across the Centuries," published by Houghton Mifflin, which prompts students to imagine they are Islamic soldiers and Muslims on a Mecca pilgrimage. The lawsuit also alleges students were encouraged to use such phrases in their speech as "Allah Akbar," which is Arabic for "God is great," and were required to fast during lunch period to simulate fasting during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

"While public schools prohibit Christian students from reading the Bible, praying, displaying the Ten Commandments, and even mentioning the word 'God,' students in California are being indoctrinated into the religion of Islam," said Richard Thompson, chief counsel for the national, public-interest law firm. "Public schools would never tolerate teaching Christianity in this way. Just imagine the ACLU’s outcry if students were told that they had to pray the Lord's Prayer, memorize the Ten Commandments, use such phrases as 'Jesus is the Messiah,' and fast during Lent," he added.

According to Thompson, "Although it is constitutional for public schools to have an instructional program about comparative religion or teach about religion and utilize religious books such as the Bible in courses about our history and culture, the Byron Union School District crossed way over the constitutional line when it coerced impressionable 12-year-olds to engage in particular religious rituals and worship, simulated or not."

Defending the course instruction in January, Byron Superintendent Peggy Green explained, "Dressing up in costume, role-playing and simulation games are all used to stimulate class discussion and are common teaching practices used in other subjects as well."

Excelsior Principal Nancie Castro maintained, "At no point do we teach or endorse religion; we teach about religions' impact from a historical context. ... This is the state-approved curriculum, using state-adopted textbooks and has been part of the instructional program in California for over a decade."

When contacted by WND, a Byron district spokesperson said officials knew nothing about the lawsuit and could not comment on it without seeing it. The attorneys representing the school district are on vacation this week and unavailable for comment.

While the international public-interest law firm The American Center for Law and Justice presses Excelsior to permit students to opt out of the course, contending it violates students' First Amendment rights, the Thomas More suit and one being prepared by the Pacific Justice Institute take issue with the course materials, including the textbook, which is used in public schools throughout the state and in districts across the country.

The Pacific Justice Institute, a nonprofit legal defense organization, mounted its challenge to the textbook earlier this year on behalf of concerned San Luis Obispo parent, Jen Schroeder, who noticed her son's textbook "had a distinct bias toward Islam over Christianity." Schroeder subsequently launched a campaign to raise awareness, posting a content analysis of the textbook on her website.

"There's so much in that textbook that I find offensive – both the Islam and the Christian sections," Schroeder told WND. While presenting a "white-washed version of Islam," Schroeder asserts the textbook goes out of its way to depict Christianity in a negative light.

"In the textbook, there is a large three-column block titled 'Understanding Religious Persecution,' which blames Christians exclusively for persecuting others and forcing beliefs, when in fact there have been more Christian martyrs than any other religion," said Schroeder.

As WorldNetDaily reported, Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes echoed Schroeder's complaints in a New York Post column, calling the 558-page textbook an example of "the privileging of Islam in the United States."

Pipes assailed the "covert propagation of Islam" in the textbook: "Everything Islamic is praised; every problem is swept under the rug." Pipes also complained the textbook promotes Islamic doctrines as objective fact and presents a distorted image of Muslims: "Jihad, which means 'sacred war,' turns into a struggle mainly 'to do one's best to resist temptation and overcome evil.'"

Houghton Mifflin denies the allegations. In a release posted on its website, the publisher stated, "Houghton Mifflin has always taken a neutral, fact-based approach to writing all of its educational publications, striving for a fair account of history."

In the company release, Director of Media Relations Collin Earnst explained that a "multi-cultural and multi-faith panel of scholars reviewed and approved 'Across the Centuries' before publication" and that the text is part of a two-book series developed for the state of California that covers specific topics mandated and outlined by the state board of education. As per California state standards, "the dawn of the major Western and non-Western ancient civilizations, including the origins of Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Christianity" are dealt with in the text used in grade six.

Prompted by this argument, Schroeder delved into the sixth-grade companion textbook, "A Message of Ancient Days," and found it to be a "blatant misrepresentation of Christianity" and "Jesus presented as Islam believes." In contrast to the imagination exercises of the Islam section where students pretend to be Muslim soldiers, Schroeder says the only imagination exercises for the Christianity and Judaism sections is for students to imagine they are "with the Jews when they were conquered and forced to live away from their homeland" and to "imagine being in the buried catacombs of the dead Christians."

In support of Pipes' claims of the seventh-grade textbook promoting Islamic doctrines as objective fact, Schroeder found 998 references to Muhammad as prophet with only nine being accompanied by qualifiers such as "Muslims believe." In contrast, in the sixth-grade text Schroeder counted 116 references to Jesus as savior with 10 being accompanied by the qualifier, "Christians believe."

"Over and over again Christianity is reduced to 'ideas' whereas Islam is referred to as 'More than a Way of Life,'" said Schroeder. Schroeder also contacted the multi-cultural, multi-faith organizations Houghton Mifflin cited as having reviewed and approved the textbooks prior to publishing. These included the Council on Islamic Education, the Hadassah Academic Advisory Board, the Freedom Forum First Amendment Center, and the Christian Educators Association International. According to statements posted on Schroeder's website, Christian Educators Association maintains it only reviewed the Christian sections and the Hadassah Academic Advisory Board likewise states it only reviewed the portions pertaining to Judaism. Both groups indicated to Schroeder they made recommendations for changes which were not implemented by Houghton Mifflin.

According to a Thomas More press release about the lawsuit, "Houghton Mifflin and the publishers of the simulation materials acknowledge they were influenced by various Muslim organizations."

"We must guard what is planted in our hearts and in our sons' hearts," Schroeder told WND. "California has been planting some big seeds for Islam while hardening hearts toward Christianity through the Houghton Mifflin textbooks. ... John Walker Lindh is the fruit of California's efforts. He was a young impressionable child, just as my son is. How many more John Walkers before we stop promoting Islam in public schools?"

29 posted on 12/13/2002 9:32:46 AM PST by gaijin
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To: PLK
PLEASE tell me how to save those files to my computer...

Right click on the link (that you would left click on to play it) and select "Save target as" and select a spot on your PC for it to be saved to. That's it. Enjoy.

30 posted on 12/13/2002 9:34:04 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: teletech
Are you allowed to have a star on top of your Holiday Bush? Here in the People's Republic of Cambridge no stars are allowed on our Peace Trees.
31 posted on 12/13/2002 9:37:13 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: RooRoobird14
Next thing they'll do is try to ban Frosy, Rudolph, Santa Clause Is Coming To Town, Grinch, Charlie Brown, It's a Wonderful Life, Miracle on 34th Street......how pathetic is that....
32 posted on 12/13/2002 9:39:04 AM PST by geege
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To: FormerLurker
I didn't know it was that bad.
33 posted on 12/13/2002 9:46:49 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: patriot5186
This is really getting out of hand. How can we fight against this kind of anti-god thinking? We'd better do something soon or we've lost.
34 posted on 12/13/2002 9:47:39 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: expatpat
And certainly not "Yule." Oh dang, they can't sing "Deck the Halls!!"
35 posted on 12/13/2002 9:50:48 AM PST by thetruckster
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To: patriot5186
Of course, she's probably allowed to utter the word 'Ramadan' until she's blue in the face.
36 posted on 12/13/2002 9:52:27 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: patriot5186
The 24-year education veteran, who wishes to keep her name and the school anonymous at this time, claims...

It comes down to "put up or shut up." Otherwise it's simply another unsubstantiated allegation, and there are far too many of those everyday to start getting upset about them.

37 posted on 12/13/2002 10:01:45 AM PST by Slainte
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To: patriot5186
Government censorship of religion. Not even the communist Soviet Union banned the words of religion.
39 posted on 12/13/2002 10:08:24 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: patriot5186
It's banned at the White House too. You have to say "holiday" there.


40 posted on 12/13/2002 10:13:48 AM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: patriot5186
At my kid's Elementary school "winter concert" last night I noticed in the program that, of the eleven song titles in the program, only one title contained the word "Christmas", while two contained the word "Africa".

Speaks for itself. Pathetic.

41 posted on 12/13/2002 10:14:20 AM PST by The Duke
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To: patriot5186
The reporter got it from a "Karen Holgate" who doesn't identify how she got the information, so it is second hand at best, perhaps even less reliable. The report appears to be single source. There is no way to verify the story - no identification of the teacher, the principal, or the school.

I'll consider this an internet hoax until we get something reliable.

42 posted on 12/13/2002 10:15:59 AM PST by PAR35
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To: patriot5186
It's banned at the U. S. Capitol as well. You can't have a "Christmas Tree" there, you have to have a "Holiday Tree."


43 posted on 12/13/2002 10:18:23 AM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: Slyfox
her biggest complaint was the hours she and her husband had to spend sorting their trash.

Sorting trash... what is that?
44 posted on 12/13/2002 10:27:36 AM PST by Sword_of_Gideon
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To: patriot5186
I've heard this before....someone was banned for saying Christmas....these people who want to ban this, should be nailed to a cross.
45 posted on 12/13/2002 10:28:33 AM PST by Sungirl
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To: FormerLurker
Rest assured the little kiddies will be getting lessons on how to celebrate Kwanzaa though.

Kwanzaa... you mean that totally fraudulant, idiotic, madeup fake holiday?
46 posted on 12/13/2002 10:29:43 AM PST by Sword_of_Gideon
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To: patriot5186
An outrage.
47 posted on 12/13/2002 10:39:17 AM PST by Dante3
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To: FreedomCalls
I have a question about the pictures you posted. I notice that those captions are put on there by CNN. Is it possible that CNN is who is calling it a "Holiday Tree" and referring to "Holiday Reading", and in fact, nothing official from the White House? I wouldn't put it past CNN.
48 posted on 12/13/2002 10:49:00 AM PST by Pablo64
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To: FreedomCalls
What a beautiful Holiday tree. Are those Holiday books they are reading?
49 posted on 12/13/2002 10:51:00 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Marysecretary
This is really getting out of hand. How can we fight against this kind of anti-god thinking? We'd better do something soon or we've lost.


What is wrong with ignoring them? And defying them? I'd suggest this child greet everyone with "Merry Christmas!" All day long. I would tell my child to be as obnoxious and in-your-face as possible saying Jesus Loves you and Are you saved? all day long at the school---to the other students of course. For the faculty my child will be primed with "You're all gonna burn in hell!" ----all day long---like a broken record. What are they going to do? Suspend? I'll go to court for that, and take one of Jay Sekulow's lawyers with me for defense. Further I'd countersue under the 1st Amendment ...nor prohibit the free exercise thereof clause that really is in the Constitution. Fight fire with fire.
50 posted on 12/13/2002 10:52:04 AM PST by Jason_b
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