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Bush widens authority of CIA to kill terrorists
New York Times ^ | 15 December 2002

Posted on 12/14/2002 5:37:27 PM PST by Asmodeus

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:38:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Bush administration has prepared a list of about two dozen terrorist leaders whom the CIA is authorized to kill if capture is impractical and civilian casualties can be minimized, senior military and intelligence officials said.

The previously undisclosed CIA list of targets includes Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and his chief deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and other principal figures from Al-Qaida and affiliated terrorist groups, the officials said.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; hitlist; terrorists; waronterrorism
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To: Travis McGee
good example of these peaceful people Travis
61 posted on 12/14/2002 8:34:27 PM PST by blackbag
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To: Caesar Soze; sablefish; doug from upland; All
Sable, why'd you wait this long to post?

You realize how suspicious you look?
62 posted on 12/14/2002 8:34:57 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: blackbag
That's the future if we lose.
63 posted on 12/14/2002 8:36:24 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: sablefish
Defence, what a joke, It's offence.

Not real familiar with American football over there, are you? :D

64 posted on 12/14/2002 8:59:36 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Asmodeus
Smoke 'Em ALL!!
65 posted on 12/14/2002 9:11:29 PM PST by cavtrooper21
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To: Asmodeus
Looks like Santa's Bad list is getting shorter !!!
66 posted on 12/14/2002 9:14:05 PM PST by mark the shark
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To: hoosierskypilot
"When will the "war on terrorism" be directed at us if we don't like the government.."

When you elect some slime like Al Gore or varicose veined Hillary to office.
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When we will allow the government to take our guns and make private gun ownership illegal. See recent ruling of 9th circuit court, that the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee private gun ownership.

That is why we need judges that uphold the Constitution, not push their own liberal agenda and legislate from the bench.

That is why we need to keep our eyes on the ball, and not allow the Democrats to "divide and conquer" us.
67 posted on 12/14/2002 9:59:14 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: sablefish
They

sober

killers

we

spend

wepons

Keywords on this forum & to most of us you meet on the street would walk away with the impression you give us . Make your bones and stand for something .

68 posted on 12/14/2002 10:07:17 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: FairOpinion
"When we will allow the government to take our guns and make private gun ownership illegal. See recent ruling of 9th circuit court, that the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee private gun ownership.."

It would happen statewide (CA) first. One thing I've noticed about Californians, is that they are absolutely the most intolerant people I've ever seen, all this PC mumbo jumbo of diversity, notwithstanding, and I've been all over. I'm believe armed insurrection would occur if the DOJ attempted to confiscate the firearms of Californians.
69 posted on 12/14/2002 10:34:15 PM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: sablefish
Defence, what a joke, It's offence.

The best defense is a good offense. The government is there to provide for our defense needs and our infrastructure. I would rather spend money on developing new weapons then most anything else the government wastes money on. We cannot protect our freedom with pretty words and happy songs, we need to back our freedom with weapons and with the fortitude to use them. There are lots of people in the world who would gladly attack us and take what we have, I for one have no desire to make it easy for them.

If your worried about the government using it's powers against the people then I would suggest not voting liberal - as they see government intrustion into our lives as the answer to all our problems. Government does some things well - like defense, road building, etc. Other then that it should leave us alone and concentrate on what it's roles are.

The constitution was written to limit the power of government and it's roles. The more money spent on doing those roles is less spent on pork and other stupid programs which serve no purpose other then to rob us of our freedoms.

As long as we have the 2nd amendent I am not worried about the government (although it is being watered down - I wonder how many of our forefathers who owned guns had to do back ground checks, have waiting periods, etc - it seems to me that they had the oppurtunity to control guns way back when and did not take it...wonder why....).

I do understand where you are coming from though in your concerns, politics can get ugly and if politicians turn that power on the people of their own country we will have a time of it. We need to clean house and keep real conservatives in government who will shrink government and it's powers down to where they should be, while at the same time providing the offense/defense we need to maintain our freedom from those who wish to take it from us.

It is amazing that liberals will rip bush all day long on saddam, yet clinton said the exact same things as bush did - saddam needs to go, has WMD, etc (and I have the clinton qutoes to back it up on my profile page with links). While we may have enemies within there are many more without we need to focus on. The liberals want to focus on the US internally and pretend that we are the cause of our enemies hating us - of course we are, they hate us because we will not become what they want us to become. I do not want peace if it means giving up to the enemy, that is too french for me :)

Welcome to FR.

70 posted on 12/15/2002 12:10:24 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: Bars4Bill
A Thousand Points Of Burning White Phosphorus Light - works for me.
71 posted on 12/15/2002 12:20:56 AM PST by 185JHP
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To: sablefish
"Defence, what a joke, It's offence."

Post 9/11/2001 actions by the USA, against ANY islamist entity is DEFENSE.

In American English, we spell: Offense, Defense. Your spelling tells me you probably aren't American. Your comments further reveal some kind of anti-American sentiment.

Be advised: We will DEFEND well.
72 posted on 12/15/2002 12:26:32 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Asmodeus
The eventual size of the list is in control of various entities. Should they (all) act unwisely, the list might, of necessity, grow to as many as, say, 1.2 billion.
73 posted on 12/15/2002 12:30:10 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Fiddlstix
This would explain this news flash !

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1039928160319

Stay Safe !
74 posted on 12/15/2002 12:31:22 AM PST by Squantos
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To: aristeides; thinden; honway; piasa
Let's put the following excerpts in a slightly different order:

Under intelligence law dating back to the mid-1970s, the president must sign a finding to provide the legal basis for CIA covert actions. In response to past abuses, the decisionmaking process has grown into a highly formalized review in which the White House, Justice Department, Pentagon and CIA take part. The administration must notify congressional leaders of any covert-action finding signed by the president. In past cases of lethal force against members of Al-Qaida, congressional leaders have been notified as required, the officials said.

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The newer list represents an expanded CIA effort against a larger number of Al-Qaida operatives outside of Afghanistan in countries such as Yemen. The president is not legally required to approve each name added to the list, nor is the CIA required to obtain presidential approval for specific attacks, although officials said Bush has been kept informed about the CIA's operations.

(Snip)

Harethi is believed to have been on the list of Al-Qaida leaders that the CIA had been authorized to kill. After the operation in Yemen, U.S. officials said Bush was not required to approve the mission immediately before the attack was launched, nor was he specifically consulted. Intelligence officials said the presidential finding authorizing the CIA to use lethal force against terrorists was not limited to those included on the list. Bush has given broad authority to the CIA to kill or capture operatives of Al-Qaida around the world

It looks to me like the terrorists were getting word of the operations through moles in the government. This blanket approval may not stop all the leaks, but it will certainly help to pinpoint them.

75 posted on 12/15/2002 3:00:12 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: river rat
In the old days, some folks simply referred to the killing of a designated "troublesome" individual - as a whineless whack... Meaning there would be no written order, no investigation, no report and no complaints lodged..

I like it. It would be nice to see this tradition revived.

76 posted on 12/15/2002 4:52:50 AM PST by Smile-n-Win
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To: Smile-n-Win
We're having way too much whine and not enough whacks these days.
77 posted on 12/15/2002 4:55:53 AM PST by Smile-n-Win
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To: sablefish
"My question is: When will this kill by decree be directed at civilians who dissagree with Bush's policies? When will the "war on terrorism" be directed at us if we don't like the government?"

If you read the article carefully you will see that this directive is aimed at those identified as unlawful combatants. In other words, soldiers.

Writing anti-war letters-to-the-editor, or engaging in meaningless anti-war protests is not warfare, nor is it participating in combat. Those folks are protected by our laws, and cannot be targetted by the military. (IRS audit, yes, but most of us run that risk.)

OTOH, if a new Symbionese Liberation Army arose with the direct intention of violently attacking or overthrowing the US government, then they too, would be combatants, and could be targetted. But if there *were* a new American Revolution, both the gummint and the rebels could shoot at each other, legitimately -- whether viewed as legal or illegal combatants.

Clear enough?
78 posted on 12/15/2002 6:01:23 AM PST by No Truce With Kings
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To: Smile-n-Win
It's only because not enough wacking has gone before that these dogs think they deserve a higher position in the pack.

The less gifted amoung us may whine about this, but natures laws are not to be ignored even anthropologically.

79 posted on 12/15/2002 6:06:27 AM PST by norraad
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To: Asmodeus
bump
80 posted on 12/15/2002 7:41:27 AM PST by chuknospam
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