I have pondered this type of idea often since the DC sniper saga and then more recently when a completely innocent mother in SC was carjacked and many of us realized how helpless and vulnerable we are to the criminal element. Your comments and feedback, pro or con, are solicited.
1 posted on
12/15/2002 6:08:02 AM PST by
doosee
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To: doosee
Tracking vehicles would be too easy to defeat. Let's just skip the BS, spin and halfsteps to prepare us, get the implant in our forehead and get it over with. After all, it might help solve half a dozen cases a year, and only someone with something to hide could object.
2 posted on
12/15/2002 6:15:32 AM PST by
steve50
To: doosee
I would like to hear Freepers weigh in on whether this would constitute an invasion of privacy Uh... yeah!
Do you think the government would stop where you hope they would?
What makes you think that Big Brother would not also use the technology to track speeders? Those who wear or do not wear safety belts?
Why not also put a smoke detector in each car to track who is smoking with a child in the car?
"You missed your 5000 mile environmental inspection. Please pay this fine promply before we take more severe action against you."
And let's also track every car that drives into a gun shop, and cross that list of people tracked going to church on Sunday morning.
You will have secret FBI files being started on those the government considers enemies of the state. "Your car was tracked going to a strip club... Your car was tracked to a woman's house three nights last week..."
Don't ever give the government any power you would not want Hillary Clinton to have.
To: doosee
If you want it go pay for it but don't get government involved or make it mandatory.
I'll take care of myself, thank you.
6 posted on
12/15/2002 6:22:36 AM PST by
dalereed
To: doosee
Rail cars are bar coded and can be counted and tracked simply by passing by scanners. That's fine. A private enterprise can use any inventory tracking method it wishes.
I would like to hear Freepers weigh in on whether this would constitute an invasion of privacy if our vehicles could be located any place at any time in real time mode
Yes, it would be.
To: doosee
Setting up the technology as a voluntary option rather than as something mandatory would be more acceptable. This is analogous to putting permanent, non-removable identification or inventory tags on all types of stuff -- many people do it, especially businesses, and it does help recover stolen property occasionally, but it is not mandatory. Some sort of transponder would probably be the most useful approach, because then the vehicle could be located even if hidden in a garage.
To: doosee
Governments (especially the Feds) have absolutely NO FRIGGIN' BUSINESS knowing where I am or where I've been. Period. No buts.
9 posted on
12/15/2002 6:25:58 AM PST by
AK2KX
To: doosee
A better question would be "Do Freepers believe citizens have a right to private property?" Think about it.
14 posted on
12/15/2002 6:36:25 AM PST by
agitator
To: doosee
You, sir/madam, are a usefull fool.
If you're scared of your own safety, buy a firearm and learn how to use it.
Don't tell me I need to be monitored by govt. hacks.
23 posted on
12/15/2002 6:52:12 AM PST by
johnny7
To: doosee
Sometimes I really, really wonder about a large proportion of the people on this site.
Perhaps there should be a sister site called "The All-Encompassing State."
27 posted on
12/15/2002 6:54:44 AM PST by
B Knotts
To: doosee
It is interesting to see comments from cowboy types who assume that just because government has information they will misuse it. We simply must at some point realize that times have changed and security must be increased.
To: doosee
A unique RF transmitter embedded and locked in a very unreachable place within a car would also be a possible solution. These technologies exist today yet I am unaware of any proposal to deploy this kind of solution to make all of us safer.
The bar code technology that is used currently is used for profit. Your idea or solution is to utilize the technology for another goal: solution to make all of us safer. I strongly believe in self-reliance and personal responsibility; your proposal falls outside of that framework because personal liberties may be forfeited. Big Brother. Let's face it.... life's dangerous; always has been, always will be. IMO, it is imprudent to look to others, or forfeit to others that which makes your life worth living. The only exception to that is to submit to a *perfect Being* for real peace of mind.
Of course, that's *my* opinion... I could be wrong. Freegards.
To: doosee
I would like to hear Freepers weigh in on whether this would constitute an invasion of privacy if our vehicles could be located any place at any time in real time mode or do you agree that this would be a proper use of high technology to help to ensure our safety?
Your question above is foolish. Having the government monitor where and when my car has travelled (presumably with me in it) is not much different from outfitting the general populace with a tracking braclet or tracking collar. And while you may not object to being herded like a farm animal, some of us still consider ourselves free men. You've chosen wording in your questions that seems closer to FLOATING AN IDEA rather than simple curiousity.
35 posted on
12/15/2002 7:12:32 AM PST by
pyx
To: doosee
Much like gun registration I am left asking - how did our forefathers ever cope with things? If they wanted to take a horsey somewhere, they just went, if they wanted a gun they stopped at the local store and picked one up. No need to leave any info, have ID, etc.
We are trying to make society safer, at a cost of making it less free. I will take my chances with a more dangerous society. And I will keep a gun close by just in case :)
To: doosee
We can find a missile launcher in Iraq from a satellite and view a terrorist's face from that same image. Yet, when someone is carjacked, or a car is simply stolen, or someone is abducted, our law enforcement mechanisms remain what they were since cars were invented. Hogwash. There's LoJack and Onstar available for those willing to pay for it, and many commercial carriers use satellite tracking now (presumably in an attempt to foil load hijacking).
A unique RF transmitter embedded and locked in a very unreachable place within a car would also be a possible solution. These technologies exist today yet I am unaware of any proposal to deploy this kind of solution to make all of us safer.
This might be true because some of us don't believe it is any of the government's business to keep track of us 24 hours a day.
I would like to hear Freepers weigh in on whether this would constitute an invasion of privacy if our vehicles could be located any place at any time in real time mode or do you agree that this would be a proper use of high technology to help to ensure our safety?
If you want and can afford systems like LoJack, Digital Angel, or Onstar, then go out and buy them then use them in peace. Otherwise, when I choose to drive down to the corner store to pick up a gallon of milk is none of your business. Force me to carry a transponder in my vehicle, and I will devote every waking moment to defeating and/or spoofing it, as well as voting out the idiot politicians who sponsored the legislation mandating such a freedom-killing system. That's a promise.
52 posted on
12/15/2002 7:26:12 AM PST by
strela
To: doosee
We should not track the vehicles of law abiding citizens. But violent/molesting felons? Sure. Non-citizens? Sure. And if they tamper with the tracking device, we put an APB out on them.
To: doosee
many of us realized how helpless and vulnerable we are to the criminal element Speak for yourself, statist bootlicker.
Looking to the *government* to make us safe is insane.
Who do you think it was that allowed some of the 9/11 terrorists and the one of the drive-by-shooters into the country?
Who do you think it was that prevented pilots and passengers from carrying weapons that could have prevented 9/11?
Who do you think was responsible for not allowing rank-and-file policemen to stop a Chevy Caprice with a black driver, whos tag did not match the car? (This happened no less than 10 times while looking for the drive-by-shooters in DC)
Who do you think is reponsible for leaving our borders wide open so even more terrorists can come into the country?
The gov't creates most of these problems, and you think they should be the solution and the price of that solution should be our individal Freedom?
If that's your mindset, move to Russia or China or Mexico. If you don't believe in individual Freedom, you are unworthy of the title of "American" and need to get the hell out of my country.
82 posted on
12/15/2002 9:56:56 AM PST by
Mulder
To: doosee
Why stop there? Let's just chip everyone at birth with a tracker/transmitter.
Even better, let's get one that analyzes brain patterns, so criminal behavior can be stopped before it starts.
To: doosee
I would have been happy to have tracked my nice company car when it was stolen in San Diego, but it would have been found in parts in Tijuana the very next day. Car theft is a growing business in SD and they lose cars by the dozen every month, the cops told me.
This is just another reason I hate the Mexican border areas with major criminals, drug pushers and illegals massing on their side and harrassed US citizens on the other. Will the pols ever get it? Unlikely!
To: doosee
Are you insane?
Perhaps we should have the gestapo drop by to check for soap on the shower floor also.
Government can't protect everyone from everything and the people wanting them too are simply delusional.
99 posted on
12/15/2002 10:40:52 AM PST by
Jhoffa_
To: doosee
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