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Don Nickles Calls for New Senate Leadership Election to Challenge Lott
Fox News | 12-15-02

Posted on 12/15/2002 6:33:57 AM PST by rightwing2

Fox News just reported that ABC reported that Nickles has called for a new Senate leadership challenge to Trent Lott!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bigcanodumbass; gop; lott; nickels; senate
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1 posted on 12/15/2002 6:33:57 AM PST by rightwing2
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2 posted on 12/15/2002 6:35:04 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
Rickles, Nickles, oh, which to choose!
3 posted on 12/15/2002 6:37:00 AM PST by Don Carlos
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To: Scholastic; DoughtyOne; belmont_mark; Gunrunner2; SLB; Sawdring; Japedo; HalfIrish; IronJack; ...
Bill Kristol stated that Nickles only needs to circulate a letter signed by four other Senators in the Republican Conference to challenge Lott. All Fox News panelists agreed that Lott would not survive a challenge. Ari Fleisher stated taht if such an election were held, President Bush would not support Lott for re-election as Senate Majority Leader. Conservative Republican and current Senate Republican Asst Leader Don Nickles is the front-runner in such a race. McConnell defended Lott and is unlikely to challenge him although Nickles and Frist probably will.
4 posted on 12/15/2002 6:37:37 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
This actually is a gutsy move by Nickles. He either topples Lott, or goes lower on Trent's rolodex than John McCain. This is going to be the battle right here. Nickles vs Lott. McConnell is out, he has picked sided with Lott. Now, is when the real manuevering begins.
5 posted on 12/15/2002 6:38:26 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: chance33_98
LOL !! I'm always gettin' those two confused myself.....
6 posted on 12/15/2002 6:38:53 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: chance33_98
A better choice than Lott, not for his Thurman remarks but rather for his total lack of majority leadership (when we had it).
7 posted on 12/15/2002 6:39:04 AM PST by harpu
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To: rightwing2; Alamo-Girl; onyx; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; dixiechick2000; ...
Don Nickles Calls for New Senate Leadership
Election to Challenge Lott



Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.

8 posted on 12/15/2002 6:40:36 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: harpu
Lott is behind the scenes in desperation mode. Check this paragraph out from today's Washington Post.

In an indication of White House wariness about getting squarely behind Lott, sources said Lott sought statements of support last week from national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell but was rebuffed. Both are African American. Some White House officials said it was clumsy of Lott to ask.

That should tell Lott something. Bush wasn't going to let him use his people for Lott's some of my best friends are black defense.

9 posted on 12/15/2002 6:40:50 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: rightwing2
So..... other than Nickels, who would we like to take Lott's place? Its hard for me to say .... Frist?
10 posted on 12/15/2002 6:41:26 AM PST by rface
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To: MeeknMing
And he could make a joke and not be lambasted for it. Rickles would be perfect...
11 posted on 12/15/2002 6:41:26 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: rightwing2
I hate the hypocricy of the left, who can coddle Robert "Sheets" Byrd, but attack Lott.


That being said.... Go Nichols!!!!

I would love this to blow up in the Dem's face by getting a REAL Republican Majority Leader.

12 posted on 12/15/2002 6:41:29 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: rightwing2
About 2 weeks now....and the issue hasn't gone away. And it won't. Lott damaged himself. First, he has been undercutting his conservative base for years; now, they are not there to defend and support him. He's floating on his own--and he won't survive this. The RC will soon (days or hours) make the decision to replace Lott, because the RC sees the need to move on before much more political damage is done.
13 posted on 12/15/2002 6:42:44 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: dogbyte12
This actually is a gutsy move by Nickles. He either topples Lott, or goes lower on Trent's rolodex than John McCain. This is going to be the battle right here. Nickles vs Lott. McConnell is out, he has picked sided with Lott. Now, is when the real manuevering begins.

Very gutsy indeed and exactly the kind of bold conservative leadership we would want for our next Senate Majority Leader. Kristol said that Nickles will have no problem getting enough signatures to call the leadership election and that Lott would not survive so the only question now is will Lott be replaced by solid conservative Don Nickles or more moderate Bill Frist.
14 posted on 12/15/2002 6:43:43 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
maybe as a complicated strategy, we should nominate Sen. Byrd and see what kind of votes he gets.
15 posted on 12/15/2002 6:44:12 AM PST by rface
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To: rightwing2
Here's the quotes that Fox News Sunday displayed:

Note that he said "I hope we have an opportunity to choose" not "He needs to go"

CNN Now calling this BREAKING NEWS.

16 posted on 12/15/2002 6:44:17 AM PST by McGruff
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To: rightwing2
Lott has stated he would quit the Senate if pushed from Senate leader.

I say call his bluff. The love of power even if diminished is to great for him to quit like the loser he is

Lott ought to take his licks and go sit in the corner.

17 posted on 12/15/2002 6:44:22 AM PST by JZoback
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To: rightwing2
On Fox News Sunday, they mentioned a statement put out by Lott's office in response to Nickle's announcement. They called Nickles call for new elections something like "blatant opportunism."

The gloves are off! May the better man (who in my mind would be pretty much any GOP Senator other than Lott) win!
18 posted on 12/15/2002 6:45:08 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: rightwing2
Lott would not survive so the only question now is will Lott be replaced by solid conservative Don Nickles or more moderate Bill Frist.

The real question is will Lott stay or will he retire.
19 posted on 12/15/2002 6:45:45 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: rface
So..... other than Nickels, who would we like to take Lott's place? Its hard for me to say .... Frist?

#1 Senate conservative Kyl would be my dream candidate for Senate Majority Leader, but it ain't going to happen. Nickles is a solid conservative and I predict he is going to be the Senate Republican Leader when the Senate reconvenes on January 7th. I guarantee you he will be a far better Majority Leader than Lott has been--one that all Americans can be proud of. Frist is only in the running because Bush likes him. He's only spent two years in the leadership whereas Nickles has spent six and a half years as Assistant Senate Republican Leader alone.
20 posted on 12/15/2002 6:47:00 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: JZoback
Agreed. If I were W, I would say to Lott:


"You'll quit if you're pushed out as leader? Do you understand that your legacy would then be one not only of harming the GOP with your original comments, but also of undermining the GOP Senate majority?

"Is that really how you want to be remembered, as the man who did the most to harm the Republican party since Richard Nixon? Why can't you have the grace and decency of others like Gingrich and Livingston?"
22 posted on 12/15/2002 6:48:12 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: dogbyte12
"Lott is behind the scenes in desperation mode."

Yes indeedy. Good for Condi and Powell, too. It's time for a deathwatch. I give Lott till Wednesday.
23 posted on 12/15/2002 6:48:28 AM PST by cloud8
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I hate the hypocricy of the left, who can coddle Robert "Sheets" Byrd, but attack Lott. That being said.... Go Nichols!!!! I would love this to blow up in the Dem's face by getting a REAL Republican Majority Leader.

Exactly. The RATS are playing with fire by calling for Lott's resignation. If Nickles replaces him as I hope he does, the RATS will be facing a much tougher Majority Leader who is going to play hardball with them on the Senate reorganizing resolution and will probably beat them at their own game.
24 posted on 12/15/2002 6:49:05 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: seamole
Zell Miller is not going anywhere. He had his chance a long time ago. I would take it Miller has too much character to switch.
25 posted on 12/15/2002 6:49:14 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: JZoback
His bluff? Not very effective:


It could be significant, depending on the what's and when's.

The actually MS statute regarding this was posted earlier:

Mississippi Statutes on interim US Senators.

It would be the driving force on the significance or insignificance of a Lott threat/bluff.


26 posted on 12/15/2002 6:50:09 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: JZoback
Lott has stated he would quit the Senate if pushed from Senate leader.

I say call his bluff.
I concur. Better to lose the senate again than sell our souls to this moron.
27 posted on 12/15/2002 6:50:35 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: rightwing2
Sunday! Sunday! Sunday!

I hate to remind everyone, but I told you. LOL

28 posted on 12/15/2002 6:50:55 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: JZoback
Lott has stated he would quit the Senate if pushed from Senate leader.

Right with this statement Lott shows what a self-concerned scumbag he is. Jeffords at least did have "some" issues about policies to tip the balance. Lott would none except to extract petty revenge.

29 posted on 12/15/2002 6:51:07 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: rightwing2
he RATS will be facing a much tougher Majority Leader who is going to play hardball with them on the Senate

And if Lott retires and McCain switches to Independant than what ? Than we have two more years of Dashle. Brilliant move neo-cons.
30 posted on 12/15/2002 6:52:10 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Lott's greatest supporters will likely be RAT Senators. They too, don't want a strong Republican leader. Better the devil you know type scenario. Their worst nightmare would be someone with a clean FBI file.
31 posted on 12/15/2002 6:52:40 AM PST by Enterprise
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To: rightwing2
Best of luck to Nickles.
32 posted on 12/15/2002 6:52:41 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
And I would say "KISS MY REAR" President Bush. Some people's votes are more important to you than standing up for what is right instead of letting them use race as an issue AGAIN like they did with Judge Pickering and you didn't defend him either.
33 posted on 12/15/2002 6:52:41 AM PST by kcvl
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To: harpu
Exactly right. Lott should be given a secretary's chair and a TV table and allowed to sit in the back row of the senate.
34 posted on 12/15/2002 6:53:26 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: John Lenin
Worse than that...President Hillary Clinton! It worked like a charm.
35 posted on 12/15/2002 6:53:45 AM PST by kcvl
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To: dogbyte12
In an indication of White House wariness about getting squarely behind Lott, sources said Lott sought statements of support last week from national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell but was rebuffed. Both are African American. Some White House officials said it was clumsy of Lott to ask.

Lott is looking pathetic. You know, sometimes you just have to take your lumps.

36 posted on 12/15/2002 6:54:24 AM PST by alnick
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
On Fox News Sunday, they mentioned a statement put out by Lott's office in response to Nickle's announcement. They called Nickles call for new elections something like "blatant opportunism." The gloves are off! May the better man (who in my mind would be pretty much any GOP Senator other than Lott) win!

The exact quote by Lott's office was that Nickles statement "is a cynical exercise in opportunism." In other words, Trent Lott is scared to death of a Nickles challenge to his leadership because he knows he will probably lose. In fact, Nickles statement is what we would expect from a principled conservative leader who has the best interests of the GOP at heart. If Lott did as well he would resign. Now, the real risk is this--too many challengers to Lott where the anti-Lott vote is divided two or three ways allowing Lott to eke out a narrow victory with as few as 18 votes. That said, I still don't think he reaches that threshold in the event of a three way. Without the President's support, Lott is toast.
37 posted on 12/15/2002 6:54:34 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: JZoback
JZ, the fact that Lott has reportedly said he will quit the Senate if he loses the leadership battle tells us he was never a leader to begin with, instead, he was a self-serving, perk-loving, go along and get along Majority/Minority Leader who does not do well by the party he pretends to "lead".
38 posted on 12/15/2002 6:55:36 AM PST by laconic
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To: John Lenin
The real question is will Lott stay or will he retire.

Lott's successor needs to offer him the Chairmanship of the Commerce Commitee where Lott is #2 in seniority to John McCain to give him a graceful exit otherwise a Lott resignation remains a possibility.
39 posted on 12/15/2002 6:56:28 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: John Lenin
Zell Miller is not going anywhere. He had his chance a long time ago.

Yeah. If ole Zell switched to Republican, I can just hear the news coverage now: "The former AIDE TO GOV. LESTER MADDOX, who fought to keep black children from attending white schools, now says he would feel more comfortable in the Republican caucus".

I think the maddest I got at Lott was when he tried to shore himself up by quoting Sen. Jeffords' support. Well, DUH!, Trent. Of course, Jeffords would love for you to stay majority leader so the Dims could take back the Senate in '04.

40 posted on 12/15/2002 6:57:29 AM PST by Timeout
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To: seamole
Lott is NOT going to leave the Senate. He will not have as his legacy handing the Senate to the Democrats. He will step down, sit down and shut up.

Winner: Conservatives.

Thank you Democrats, for doing what Republicans didn’t have the guts to do. We will now have a Conservative-led Senate.

41 posted on 12/15/2002 6:57:45 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: alnick
Lott is looking pathetic. You know, sometimes you just have to take your lumps.

As I mentioned on another thread, Lott's excuse for only passing out written statements, and doing the over the phone interviews was that he was too busy vacationing in Boca Raton, which doesn't have a tv station with a satellite uplink.

Lott so misjudged his need to be on air, contrite, out forward, that he was unwilling to drive 45 miles to Miami, to be able to address this issue. That is the distance to a tv station with satellite uplinks. His vacation was more important.

Hubris is what is going to get him.

42 posted on 12/15/2002 6:58:22 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Is that really how you want to be remembered, as the man who did the most to harm the Republican party since Richard Nixon?"

In that scenario, Nixon would be the classier man, as he ultimately did what was BEST for his PARTY.

43 posted on 12/15/2002 6:58:57 AM PST by Petronski
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Apparently the Lott office is watching the Sunday TV firestorm - lol - where was Lott last week, why didn't he come out immediately and apologize..the ship has left the dock, Lott is a huge liability for the Republican party, better to lose the senate than to have him on board.

If Bush wanna play hardball and push Lott off the cliff, he can have Colin Powell, Condi Rice coming up on TV shows on unrelated topics like Iraq, and yet making statemnets on how Lott doesn't have their confidence in the congress or something like it will be difficult to work with him blah blah...

Powell and condi are the major trump cards Bush has in this matter...sorta like the Nuclear devices from Genreal Rove...lol..
44 posted on 12/15/2002 6:59:12 AM PST by Mollygal
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Lott would need a good lobbist/think tank job if he left. If he gives control to the Dems he won't be able to get a meeting with a republican WH janitor let alone a politican, and everytime he opens his mouth we see he's of no use to a "think tank". Call this bozos bluff.
45 posted on 12/15/2002 6:59:31 AM PST by steve50
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To: redlipstick
Ping-o-rama
46 posted on 12/15/2002 7:00:23 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: McGruff
Interesting. The appeaser has more important things to do, such as the token dupe at Democratic funerallies. The squirrel-like SML has become road kill on the cul-de-sac dirt road of Democrats.
47 posted on 12/15/2002 7:01:03 AM PST by PGalt
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To: dogbyte12
In an indication of White House wariness about getting squarely behind Lott, sources said Lott sought statements of support last week from national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell but was rebuffed. Both are African American. Some White House officials said it was clumsy of Lott to ask.

Yes, lots of people on a sinking ship think that others would be ever so happy to jump on with them. Condi and Colin are no fools. They know Lott’s time is up.

48 posted on 12/15/2002 7:01:04 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: John Lenin
And if Lott retires and McCain switches to Independant than what ? Than we have two more years of Dashle. Brilliant move neo-cons.

Add to that the possibility of a more conservative Republican leadership making things difficult for Republican Senators with liberal constituencies. Will the left keep nibbling? Or will a more conservative and effective Senator Majority Leader get some of the conservative social agenda through? Or will this all be an excuse for gridlock, so those in power can say "don't blame me" if anything, foreign or domestic, explodes (literally or figuratively).

This drama is better than West Wing, the TV show. Methinks that maybe GWB and his team really wanted a hand-picked majority leader all along, and weren't unhappy to see this Lott thing blown out of proportion.

49 posted on 12/15/2002 7:01:38 AM PST by grania
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To: Mollygal
Lott is a huge liability for the Republican party, better to lose the senate than to have him on board.

ABSOLUTELY WRONG!

50 posted on 12/15/2002 7:01:48 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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