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Big Drug War News (Congressman Dan Burton on the drug war)
The Agitator ^ | 17 December 2002 | Radley Balko

Posted on 12/17/2002 9:39:06 AM PST by Joe Bonforte

In a little noticed hearing of the House Government Reform Commnittee last week, Indiana Congressman (my homeotwn's Congressman actually) and longtime drug warrior Dan Burton made some stunning comments. In a hearing entitled "America's Heroin Crisis, Colombian Heroin and How We Can Improve Plan Colombia," Burton stopped just a hair short of advocating the decriminalization of drugs. Watch the video here (cut forward to 1 hour, 18 minutes into the hearing). Here's the transcript:

Dan Burton: I want to tell you something. I have been in probably a hundred or a hundred and fifty hearings like this at various times in my political career,. And the story is always the same. This goes back to the sixties. You know, thirty or thirty five years ago. And every time I have a hearing, I hear that people who get hooked on heroin and cocaine become addicted and they very rarely get off of it. And the scourge expands and expands and expands. And we have very fine law enforcement officers like you go out and fight the fight. And you see it growing and growing, and you see these horrible tragedies occur. But there is no end to it.

And I see young guys driving around in tough areas of Indianapolis in cars that I know they can’t afford and I know where they are getting their money. I mean that there is no question. A kid can’t be driving a brand-new Corvette when he lives in the inner city of Indianapolis in a ghetto. You know that he has gotta be making that money in someway that is probably not legal and probably involves drugs.

Over seventy percent of all crime is drug-related. And you alluded to that today. We saw on television recently Pablo Escobar gunned down and everybody applauded and said “that’s the end of the Medellín cartel. But it wasn’t the end. There is still a cartel down there. They are still all over the place. When you kill one, there’s ten or twenty or fifty waiting to take his place. You know why? Its because of what you just said a minute ago, Mr. Carr, Mr. Marcocci (sp). And that is that there is so much money to be made in it ­ there is always going to be another person in line to make that money.

And we go into drug eradication and we go into rehabilitation and we go into education, and we do all of these things... And the drug problem continues to increase. And it continues to cost us not billions, but trillions of dollars. Trillions! And we continue to build more and more prisons, and we put more and more people in jail, and we know that the crimes ­ most of the time ­ are related to drugs.

So I have one question I would like to ask all of you, and I think this is a question that needs to be asked. I hate drugs. I hate people who succumb to drug addiction, and I hate what it does to our society. It has hit every one of us in our families or friends of ours. But I have one question that nobody ever asks, and that is this question: What would happen if there was no profit in drugs? If there was no profit in drugs, what would happen. If they couldn’t make any money out of selling drugs, what would happen?

Carr: I would like to comment. If we made illegal... what you are arguing then is complete legalization?

Dan Burton: No I am not arguing anything. I am asking the question. Because we have been fighting this fight for thirty to forty years and the problem never goes way...

....Well I don’t think that the people in Colombia would be planting coca if they couldn’t make any money, and I don’t think they would be refining coca and heroin in Colombia if they couldn’t make any money. And I don’t think that Al Capone would have been the menace to society that he was if he couldn’t sell alcohol on the black market ­ and he did ­ and we had a horrible, horrible crime problem. Now the people who are producing drugs in Southeast Asia and Southwest Asia and Colombia and everyplace else. They don’t do it because they like to do it. They don’t fill those rooms full of money because they like to fill them full of money. They do it because they are making money.

At some point we to have to look at the overall picture and the overall picture ­ and I am not saying that there are not going to be people who are addicted ­ they are going to have to be education and rehabilitation and all of those things that you are talking about - but one of the parts of the equation that has never been talked about ­ because politicians are afraid to talk about it ­ this is my last committee hearing as Chairman. Last time! And I thought about this and thought about this, and thought about this. And one of the things that ought to be asked is “what part of the equation are we leaving out?” And “is it an important part of the equation?” And that is ­ the profit in drugs. Don’t just talk about education. Don’t just talk about eradication. Don’t just talk about killing people like Escobar, who is going to be replaced by somebody else. Let’s talk about what would happen if we started addressing how to get the profit out of drugs.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if, twenty years from now, we could look back at law-and-order Dan Burton's conversion as the "Nixon goes to China" turning point of the drug war?


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To: Texaggie79
Works for me.
41 posted on 12/17/2002 10:53:52 AM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: Texaggie79
No because, as illustrated by MILLIONS of users, alcohol can be enjoyed responsibly.

So can cocaine, as illustrated by the ~80% of users who are not addicted:

When is the last time you had a little crack with your meal?

Crack is a creation of the War On Some Drugs; if cocaine were legal, crack would be about as popular as Everclear.

42 posted on 12/17/2002 10:54:57 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Chemist_Geek
"Youth think that they are immortal. "

Fools don't know that we possess an immortal soul.
43 posted on 12/17/2002 10:56:26 AM PST by PaxMacian
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To: Texaggie79
Crack is a rule. Crystal Meth is a rule. Heroine is a rule. For alcohol, beer is a rule.

During prohibition bootleg whiskey was the rule.

44 posted on 12/17/2002 10:57:38 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Billy_bob_bob
If they step out of line they lose their license

MMM... Like Phillip & Morris? Trust me, when your profit margins are in the billions, you have quite a bit of sway with the government.

45 posted on 12/17/2002 10:59:05 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
I tend to have a little more faith in people than that.
46 posted on 12/17/2002 10:59:27 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Joe Bonforte
Hooray! Just to get past the "what if" to the "make it so!"

Stamped and taxed, sold hrough registered outlets to adults above a set age, like tabakky and alky.

47 posted on 12/17/2002 11:01:53 AM PST by bvw
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To: Billy_bob_bob
The English gin story is interesting. The upperclass drank mainly whiskey at the time, they did nothing to curtail it's use.
48 posted on 12/17/2002 11:01:54 AM PST by steve50
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To: Texaggie79
If you choose to live in a state that outlaws hard drugs, then you CHOOSE to pay those costs by choosing to live there.

If states were allowed to set their own policies you might have a point.

49 posted on 12/17/2002 11:02:43 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: tacticalogic; MrLeRoy
You simply cannot compare alcohol with hard drugs. It is a different animal. After a certain point with alcohol, the majority of people get sick by the consumption of more. This is not the case with hard drugs. The more you consume, the "happier"/"more energized"/"calmer" you are.

Lying on the bathroom floor next to the toilet is not near as desirable as lying back in extreme pleasure.

50 posted on 12/17/2002 11:03:07 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: MrLeRoy
I agree. As I said, I oppose the FEDERAL WOD.
51 posted on 12/17/2002 11:03:30 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Each one would tell you that after leaving their support group meetings, they would be much more challenged to stay clean if they saw their drug of choice sitting in front of their face at a Wal-Mart, dirt cheap, and ready to use, than knowing they would have to pay out the butt for a crap drug at their dealers place.

Ditto for alcoholics. Should we ban alcohol?

52 posted on 12/17/2002 11:03:39 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Texaggie79
When is the last time you had a little crack with your meal?

Good point, but millions "toke up at lunchtime" if that's the right expression. Just a thought, not having a solution myself. I've never had any addictions, but that's 'cuz of the mercy of Jesus Christ, not my efforts alone. Regards, Avery

53 posted on 12/17/2002 11:04:30 AM PST by Ace's Dad
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To: Texaggie79
Everclear is an exception to the rule. Crack is a rule.

Provide evidence for your claim.

54 posted on 12/17/2002 11:04:56 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: tacticalogic
Perhaps my faith comes into play here. I see the majority of Americans as searching to fill their empty soul. We currently do it with material goods. Our credit debts are laughable because of this. We live beyond our means.

As a real estate appraiser, about 90% of the homes I look at are homes that are realistically beyond the financial capability of the homeowner. I've seen people making 60k a year living in 200k homes. People making 30k driving suburbans.

People look to material things for happiness. Now, a LARGE part of America is addicted to prescription drugs. The docs they go to know this, and just supply them with enough to get by, in return for (what else) money. You take all these people that live productive lives as of now, and insert into the equation legalized cocain, heroine, ect..... Well, you will have one screwed society. We

55 posted on 12/17/2002 11:10:39 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: MrLeRoy
No, because the VAST majority of users of alcohol do not need support groups. They are not addicted. They use responsibly. You could say the same for pot users. Perhaps even exstacy. NOT cocain, heroine, ect.
56 posted on 12/17/2002 11:12:04 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Ace's Dad
I never said pot should be illegal.
57 posted on 12/17/2002 11:13:11 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
It is a different animal. After a certain point with alcohol, the majority of people get sick by the consumption of more.

In spite of that, many people go right back to the bottle the next day---and that's what makes addiction. You have failed to show that "It is a different animal" in any relevant way.

58 posted on 12/17/2002 11:13:36 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Texaggie79
You simply cannot compare alcohol with hard drugs. It is a different animal. After a certain point with alcohol, the majority of people get sick by the consumption of more. This is not the case with hard drugs. The more you consume, the "happier"/"more energized"/"calmer" you are.

That's a pretty broad generalization. Do you have any kind of source to back it up?

59 posted on 12/17/2002 11:15:11 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Texaggie79
NOT cocain, heroine, ect.

Provide evidence for your claim; the evidence I have provided indicates otherwise.

60 posted on 12/17/2002 11:15:18 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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