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To: Texaggie79
Alcohol has been used resposibly by the majority of society since it existed. I will probably have a beer this evening and feel a slight buzz, with no major change in my personality or feeling. You cannot say the same for HARD drugs. Like I say, they are a different animal.

I thoroughly disagree with you. Your argument has is based on some assumptions and conventions that make an easy 1-to-1 equivalence pratically impossible. #1, alcohol is socially acceptable, so you'd expect many 'social' users of alcohol wouldn't cause many problems, since they're not hard-core.

Users of illegal drugs are, almost by definition, hard-core. They're willing to break the law to get them, so you'd EXPECT more chaos from those willing to use them.

Then you lump a whole bunch of drugs into the "HARD" drugs category... nebulous, anecdotal opinion on your part, not fact.

Many of these 'hard' drugs are a different animal, because most people would never use them.

In the end, this argument that alcohol is used responsibly, while others would not, is built on a false foundation -- that alcohol is used responsibly. Is an alcoholic who never gets busted for DUI, never gets arrested for being drunk in public, but nevertheless ruins his family with his addiction any better than a heroin addict who does the same thing?

The fallacy that alcohol 'isn't that bad' is simply perpetuated by those who enjoy it. Objectively, alcohol is a very dangerous drug, legal or illegal.

Coupled with its social acceptability, it's the drug you should worry about. Heroin will never be socially acceptable. Cocaine was, in the 70s, in certain circles, but is not any longer. Pot can be acceptable, but in most places not.

If you're really worried about the damage of drugs, focus on their social acceptability, not their legality. If alcohol were the social pariah that PCP is, noboby would drink it, legal or not.

As for Jesus, so what? He's probably the one guy on Earth who really could 'hold his liquor'. Bully for him. I'd bet that if the society were 'smoking the herb' in his day, he'd have tried that, too.

179 posted on 12/17/2002 2:25:03 PM PST by zoyd
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To: zoyd
"...if the society were 'smoking the herb' in his day, he'd have tried that, too."

First of all, it is a proven fact they were smoking it at the time and long before too.

Secondly,
GOD MADE HERB
GOD SAW THAT IT WAS GOOD
GOD GAVE IT TO MAN

Genesis 1:11
Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so.

Genesis 1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:29
And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.
183 posted on 12/17/2002 2:35:50 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: zoyd
I believe, on the state level, legality directly influences social acceptability.
186 posted on 12/17/2002 2:57:30 PM PST by Texaggie79
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